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GTA directory => Dealer Area => Topic started by: WesBob on September 27, 2021, 07:38:41 PM
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Hi Guys, I've got in a sample shipment from Immersive Optics in the UK. These are really nice scopes!
I just got a few of each size and some are gone already but I'll be getting more. These are fixed power scopes, very compact with ED high definition glass and very wide angle viewing, super clear. They have adjustable parallax on the side, as well as illuminated reticle.
The reticle choices are MIL Extended (Christmas tree style), Mil Classic and Rapid Aquisition reticle.
The mounts that come with the scopes are really cool and allow you to adjust for MOA and the scope comes with a short and a long mount for more options on placement for proper eye relief on different guns. The scope co ers are also really cool, they pop onto the turrets so they're always handy and ready to stick back on the glass when done for the day.
Lots of great reviews on these and some good YouTube videos. Great for Edgun Leishy and FX Impact or Dreamline Compact owners as they are so nice and compact yet super ice glass.
Sizes range from 5x24 to 14x50.
Here's the Immersive Optics page on my site :
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics/
If you're looking for something super bright and nice and light, these might be what you're looking for!
Thanks,
Wes
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Hi Wes,
Have you sold any of these prismatic scopes to GTA members? If so, could you invite them to post their impressions to the thread located here https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182093.0? (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=182093.0?)
Obviously I am not asking for your customers' names; just for them to consider posting their impressions, to help a relatively new member to GTA. I was not aware of these scopes at all until flagged by user airrob . Others may discover them and their positive attributes. You are one of the few sources, that sell to the US.
Thank you
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Thanks, I'll do that!
I have more on their way, so will have more stock soon.
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Thanks, Wes
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Wes,
you're the man! Cool!
We've been discussing these for a while now — and the lid was always: "Well, the sellers don't ship to the US." ➔ 😟
Thanks for your excellet service to our AG community, Wes!
Matthias
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I have the IO 14x50, mounted on my Leshiy2.
From my long years of photography perspective these lenses are prime wide angle glass, bright sharp and crisp, something like a F1.8-2.8 35mm objective.
I am very surprised and pleased for a glass quality packed into that price tag.
Back several months ago when I ordered my Edgun I started researching the specs on a single focus - prizmatic scopes.
My eyes were wide open to a WorldWide and I was searching for anything other then US exports (I got really emotional with the ITAR regulations especially when re-branding the Asian Imports)
The MTC was brought to my attention from a EU airgunner fella, I inquired the scope but do to NATO regulations MTC could not send it to Canada. Along the communications it was also called to my attention the MTC - IO relationship, so this how I ended up with Immersion Optics 14x50 for a half a price shipped by a third party, back in July.
I like the high power scopes (it is really beyond me who or why would people get a scope - any scope, let say 3x or 5x power, but again this is my own opinion only).
I have the Falcon x50 on my Impact, this is my BR rifle for long ranges 100 and beyond, and my Leshiy2 is dedicated for playing silhouettes and timed games up to 60.
Both my airguns are setup for specific target shooting at my gun club, no backyard plinking or hunting with these.
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Nice wide angle on these, for sure! And nice glass.
A tip for guys like me that tend to not read the manual: you need to press and hold the brightness selection button to turn off the illuminated reticle. Just putting at the lowest setting won't turn it off, even if it looks like it in daylight. :D
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I like the high power scopes (it is really beyond me who or why would people get a scope - any scope, let say 3x or 5x power, but again this is my own opinion only).
I understand your point of view. After all, if a 20X scope cost the same as a 2X scope, then the 20X scope might seem like a bargain; and the 2X one might seem almost pointless.
However, if your primary reason for using a scope is to help old eyes see even near targets clearly, then even a 1X can make sense. I like variables that go down to a true 1X for shooting from a standing unsupported position. If I have full support, then 10X would obviously offer more precision for far away targets.
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Hi! Just wanted to let you guys know that the new shipment arrived of Immersive scopes.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics/
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Wes,
How does the size of the "eye-box" compare between these prismatic scopes and regular ones of similar magnifications and objective size?
Thanks
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I just ordered the 5×30 MD & MDR with Adjustable MOA Mounts, figure it will be a close match for an apples to apples comparison to my 5x Monstrum prism scope, that was only $100.00, but already the specs on the Immersive Optics 5×30 MD & MDR with Adjustable MOA Mounts have the Monstrum beat.
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Does anyone have an opinion on the reticles?
I see the choices between standard mildot (+ MOA) "mildot extended" (+ MOA) and "mildot rapid." (Wes doesn't have the scope I want with a rapid option, but I could always wait.)
My main purpose is sub-60 yard small game hunting, but I don't have really enough experience to choose.
I'm thinking the "extended" would make it easier to do fast wind compensation. - But the extended lacks ti bold "5 mil" vertical markings that the standard reticle has, which makes it harder to find a short-holdover point really quickly. (Why the heck don't they make the extended reticle WITH those bold 5 mil marks ? )
And I don't understand the benefits of the "rapid" at all. ???
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Does anyone have an opinion on the reticles?
I see the choices between standard mildot (+ MOA) "mildot extended" (+ MOA) and "mildot rapid." (Wes doesn't have the scope I want with a rapid option, but I could always wait.)
My main purpose is sub-60 yard small game hunting, but I don't have really enough experience to choose.
I'm thinking the "extended" would make it easier to do fast wind compensation. - But the extended lacks ti bold "5 mil" vertical markings that the standard reticle has, which makes it harder to find a short-holdover point really quickly. (Why the heck don't they make the extended reticle WITH those bold 5 mil marks ? )
And I don't understand the benefits of the "rapid" at all. ???
I don't think you'll get anywhere near the 5mil mark. With a typical .22 rifle the holdover at 60 yards would be about 1-1.5 mil.
Standard vs extended IMO is a personal preference. The rapid reticle would be good for a hog hunting AR setup.
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I don't think you'll get anywhere near the 5mil mark. With a typical .22 rifle the holdover at 60 yards would be about 1-1.5 mil.
Standard vs extended IMO is a personal preference. The rapid reticle would be good for a hog hunting AR setup.
Thx.
Well, maybe. My problem is that I only own one rifle, and I do a lot of VERY short-range pesting at home, so I have a very close zero adjustment. That of course means I have to do a lot more fast-adjustments in the field. As I hunt more, maybe I'll start changing my zero when I get back. - But that strikes me as a possible mistake, since I'd then have to get used to completely different ergonomics all around. Like I said, I just don't have enough experience yet to choose.
Hmm.. maybe just memorize two basic turret settings instead?
- But yeah I like the idea of not having to go past a 5 mil holdover, so maybe I WILL change my zero point. I think that might give me a slight increase in medium-range DOF as well, (I think) which would be good for small game hunting.
So which would you choose, then? (Hog hunting is, sadly, not in my future.)
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It might be useful to show the Immersive Optics reticles:
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics-14x50-1450md-1450mde/:
(https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/IMG_20210923_133017.jpg)
(https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Screenshot_2021-09-23-13-29-36-21.jpg)
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics-10x24-md/:
(https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Screenshot_2021-09-23-13-29-36-21.jpg)
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics-10x40-with-adjustable-moa-mounts/:
(https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/10x40-MD-800x400-1.jpg)
(https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/14x50-MDE-800x400-1.jpg)
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics-5x30-md-mdr-with-adjustable-moa-mounts/:
(https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Screenshot_2021-09-23-13-37-22-34.jpg)
(https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Screenshot_2021-09-23-13-29-36-21.jpg)
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics-5x24-mdr/:
(https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Screenshot_2021-09-23-13-37-22-34.jpg)
Reticles are a matter of personal preference. Lots of hashmarks may he helpful, if you have lots of time to aim from a bipod. Less helpful, if you need to figure out where to hold in a hurry; from a less than stable position. Here are a bunch or reticle designs that a number of airgun hunters figured out - just to show what is out there:
https://element-optics.com/reticles/
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Thx.
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- But yeah I like the idea of not having to go past a 5 mil holdover, so maybe I WILL change my zero point. I think that might give me a slight increase in medium-range DOF as well, (I think) which would be good for small game hunting.
So which would you choose, then? (Hog hunting is, sadly, not in my future.)
My rifles are setup with near/far zeroes at 22 and 40 yards so it's point and shoot in the main squirrel hunting range. I rarely need to shoot at less than 15.
Reticle choice really is personal choice! Both will work just fine.
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Very true, everyone has different needs and tastes. The standard one is probably the best to get if you have different uses for your rifle. It's not cluttered up too much for fast acquisition and yet still has something to go by when you are doing holdover and hold under
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I just ordered the 5×30 MD & MDR with Adjustable MOA Mounts, figure it will be a close match for an apples to apples comparison to my 5x Monstrum prism scope, that was only $100.00, but already the specs on the Immersive Optics 5×30 MD & MDR with Adjustable MOA Mounts have the Monstrum beat.
A I wandered out to put some more wood in the wood boiler I noticed a scope sized package by the door ??? Oh yeah I got my prism scope :)
Hands down way better than the monstrum, well worth the price, will have to decide what gun to mount it on, and report my results. The online pictures of the reticles do not do them justice, so I will get better photos of that. I see no parallax issues even at 6 yards and indoors with low lighting. More to come :)
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Thanks for sharing your experience with it!
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Wes,
How does the size of the "eye-box" compare between these prismatic scopes and regular ones of similar magnifications and objective size?
Thanks
Do you mean how forgiving is it for eye placement?
Seems pretty forgiving to me. The rubber front piece sort of guides your eye to the right place but even with it off i did not find it touchy about having things exactly right for eye placement.
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Well, I still can't decide between the mildot rapid reticle and the standard. - But I have at least ruled out the extended, as it's very busy and I not longer think I need so much holdover markings.
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Wes, another question:
Can you tell us (as best you can estimate) what the distance is of each scope when mounted, from the center of the objective to the top-surface of the picatinny rail?
For short-range use on a bullpup, this is fairly important. I know that with those two MTC scopes, the difference between them is 1/4". (1.50" and 1.75", according to one dealer)
Immersive Optics is probably using the same mount, but it would be good to know.
I'd like to get a larger objective, for dusk-dawn shooting, but a lower scope means less adjustments, so.....
Of course, being fixed magnification, these scopes are probably a bit brighter than equivalent variable scopes, anyway, but this info would be good to have.
thx.
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OK mounted and sighted in ! BTW this one is 1 1/2" from top of the hatsan rail to the center of the optic, 2" from center of the bore to the optic center. Reticle is very fine so it does get lost in dark targets, the illumination on the low setting is just enough to highlight the dots but was hard to get my camera to get a good picture with out messing with a bunch of settings.
The turrets are light but positive feel and response, FOV is amazing at close ranges, may get lost in the wide expanse at longer ranges, there a higher power option would be best. will get outside with it next to get my fine adjustments set, then go see if any rabbits or squirrels want to help me confirm zeros and holds ;D
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8208)
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OK mounted and sighted in ! BTW this one is 1 1/2" from top of the hatsan rail to the center of the optic, 2" from center of the bore to the optic center. Reticle is very fine so it does get lost in dark targets, the illumination on the low setting is just enough to highlight the dots but was hard to get my camera to get a good picture with out messing with a bunch of settings.
Thanks, James.
This pretty much confirms that the mount is the same as with the MTC Swat scopes. (Which is a good thing.) So height above the rail just comes down to the size of the objective.
Sadly, a bullpup typically adds around another 1/2" or more, from the bore center. - But I think I'll still get the larger objective. Lotsa' light at dusk, and I THINK I like the idea of using the scope as a range-finder (Ask me again in a year, lol.....) so the larger objective = a narrower DOF, and Bob's yer auntie.
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BTW - Once you've had time to do some real pesting / hunting, it would be very helpful to get your further thoughts on that reticle.
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Wes,
I'm trying to place an order today, but I don't understand the shipping options.
Can you explain them?
Is the cheapest one just slower? (or not enough weight covered? I have no idea how heavy the package is.) Or is one of the others REQUIRED for scope?
thx
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Wes,
I'm trying to place an order today, but I don't understand the shipping options.
Can you explain them?
Is the cheapest one just slower? (or not enough weight covered? I have no idea how heavy the package is.) Or is one of the others REQUIRED for scope?
thx
Hi, sorry for the slow response. The shipping on my website you basically have the two choices for scopes. The one is by usps for around $15, which will be considerably slower than the $21 shipping by Purolator/UPS. That's a lot faster. The courier Purolator ships it down to your home town and hands it off to UPS, and UPS delivers it.
I've had good success with them so far. I would recommend paying a couple extra dollars for the Purolator option. I can also ship by DHL express at that second price, so just out a note in the checkout if you prefer DHL. They don't pick up every day like Purolator does, but they are faster once it's on the truck, so up to you. Probably DHL will end up at your door quickest.
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Well, I still can't decide between the mildot rapid reticle and the standard. - But I have at least ruled out the extended, as it's very busy and I not longer think I need so much holdover markings.
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Wes, another question:
Can you tell us (as best you can estimate) what the distance is of each scope when mounted, from the center of the objective to the top-surface of the picatinny rail?
For short-range use on a bullpup, this is fairly important. I know that with those two MTC scopes, the difference between them is 1/4". (1.50" and 1.75", according to one dealer)
Immersive Optics is probably using the same mount, but it would be good to know.
I'd like to get a larger objective, for dusk-dawn shooting, but a lower scope means less adjustments, so.....
Of course, being fixed magnification, these scopes are probably a bit brighter than equivalent variable scopes, anyway, but this info would be good to have.
thx.
Hi Alan, sorry for not getting back sooner on this question. I see James gave some good info on that, so thanks to him.
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The shipping on my website you basically have the two choices for scopes. The one is by usps for around $15, which will be considerably slower than the $21 shipping by Purolator/UPS. That's a lot faster. The courier Purolator ships it down to your home town and hands it off to UPS, and UPS delivers it.
I've had good success with them so far. I would recommend paying a couple extra dollars for the Purolator option. I can also ship by DHL express at that second price, so just out a note in the checkout if you prefer DHL. They don't pick up every day like Purolator does, but they are faster once it's on the truck, so up to you. Probably DHL will end up at your door quickest.
Thanks, Wes. I just ordered with the Purolator price. Of course, ship DHL if that looks to be faster, but no worries either way.
I went with the 10x40 and standard mildot.
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### important: I got some info directly from Immersive Optics today, which helped a lot with my choice:
1: MDR is available only for 5x24 and 5x30 scopes. So that ended my dilemma.
I suggested that they make a MDR with an extra lower dot at 10 mil, and maybe no circle (just a dot) on the top half as well. If they ever make that, I'd sell this scope and buy the new one.
2: They sent this link, which shows their 10x40 MD scope in action. Looks good to me. - And his camera's not even showing the entire FOV !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FvrGLvGUnI&t=18s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FvrGLvGUnI&t=18s)
3: Not something that was on my radar, but they wrote:
" X10 is the maximum practical magnification where you can use back NV attachment."
I assume that also holds for any kind of recorder. It's good to know that they will work with these short eye relief scopes.
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I'm really digging the 10x24 on my Cricket II Tactical :-)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVamNUIdqYUMteZEw8rzRgHcL6diendqLdx2Ev9JCa4HUncnGHLVx-9mWKv6kzibY4XVR9HRIbekWHzrzC_W01BbcuqACBULhC4SjU2JQ-HW_2i2y4jE40Aw9I0gMDIx4FA1zuyX21gQZ8Flaucrg0-IA=w1205-h803-no?authuser=0)
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Only issue I have with these prism scopes is so much wasted rail space, like where is the rest of the scope ???
What they lack in size is made up for in quality of glass and the other features they offer.
I see room for lights and lasers ahead of the optic, or like the video a NV adaptation and room to move the setup further ahead to keep the optic in a comfortable position. 8)
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I'm really digging the 10x24 on my Cricket II Tactical :-)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLVamNUIdqYUMteZEw8rzRgHcL6diendqLdx2Ev9JCa4HUncnGHLVx-9mWKv6kzibY4XVR9HRIbekWHzrzC_W01BbcuqACBULhC4SjU2JQ-HW_2i2y4jE40Aw9I0gMDIx4FA1zuyX21gQZ8Flaucrg0-IA=w1205-h803-no?authuser=0)
OT, but that's a REALLY nice looking rifle !
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Back on topic: Given the FOV, do you think you'd get along with a 14x version? - See my thread on this:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=193297.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=193297.0)
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As posted elsewhere, Here's the info Immersive Optics sent me about the problem with NV attachements.
(Mostly a problem with the 14x50, but evidently somewhat of an issue with any wide FOV scope)
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I asked:
" why don't you guys look into manufacturing wider FOV adapters, for some of the more popular recording & NV units out there? They would probably be huge sellers."
THEIR RESPONSE:
"To capture all FOV of the day scope, the NV attachment FOV needs to correspond it, meaning that the objective lens of that NV needs to have much wider FOV (or in optical terms - shorter focus) . This brings the problem - if used as a spotter with a shorter focus lens, that NV unit will have probably about X0.6 magnification, and very much useless as a spotter.
Also there is another problem: (the main one)
For the system to work, you need to pump lots of infrared illumination, and illuminating a wide area is a challenge. It is much easier to focus IR emission into a tight, small angle beam and get a good detection distance, than flooding the aria at wide angle.
So, it is possible for us to make an adapter as you suggested, but increasing FOV of the NV you need to change the illumination angle too. The problem will be to maintain high level of IR illumination at that angle. To maintain the same detection range, the illumination with our 3 times wider optics, it will need to pump 9 times more energy, and this is difficult to achieve.
Recording in a day time is easy - there are lots of mobile phone adapters to film through binoculars or spotting scopes, they work well with short relief rifle scopes."
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These sure ficus nice! Even the 14x50 you can focus nice and clear in front of your feet. :D
For my eyes, with glasses the 10x40 and 14x50 require I get really close with my eye. But very clear and very wide, even the 14x50 is plenty wide at 5-10 yards tonhunt with, in my opinion.
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Thanks, Wes.
I'm going to take a deep breath then and go with the 14x50 (regular mildot reticle, as you suggested)
I'll send you an email now so we can change my order.
A brave new world........ :P
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Ordered 14x50 last night. ( Well the wife did)
Excited to get it here !
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Ordered 14x50 last night. ( Well the wife did)
Excited to get it here !
Nice !
Care to tell us why you chose the 14x50? Your reasons would probably help some others decide.
One reason that tipped me over (besides Wes's last post) was the fact that the 14x50 appears to have a larger "parallax" wheel than the 10x40, so it should be easier to make quick adjustments.
Also note: I put "parallax" in quotes, because I think it's more of a focus wheel. These scopes probably have EXTREMELY low parallax error, since your eye is right up against the ocular.
- And if that's true (probably) then the short DOF that the 14x50 has will probably not result in too many missed opportunities, since you can still acquire & kill your target if it's slightly out of focus. (As long as the parallax is still aligned.)
I think. :(
What do you guys think of this theory?
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What is the eyepiece diameter of the 10x40?
Does anyone have any idea if this would work with the 12mm Oneleaf NV100? Steve Allen says the 5X scopes with the longer eye relief work best but I think he was using the 16mm version of the NV100.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi Guys! I finally got in a bunch more of these Immersive scopes. They are great glass that's for sure! Here is a link if you are interested in any of them.
I have the 14x50 and 10x40 in classic mil and extended mil, and the 5x30 in classic and rapid fire reticle, and I still have some 5x24 and one 10x24.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/immersive-optics/
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What is the eyepiece diameter of the 10x40?
Does anyone have any idea if this would work with the 12mm Oneleaf NV100? Steve Allen says the 5X scopes with the longer eye relief work best but I think he was using the 16mm version of the NV100.
Thanks in advance.
The widest spot where the rubber eyepiece fits over is 36mm. The main body is 46.5mm.