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Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => Field Target Gates => Hunter Class Field Target => Topic started by: TwiceHorn on November 12, 2016, 07:11:33 PM
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So, I tried searching the forum as I am sure this has been discussed, but couldn't find anything specific.
In my "home" FT group, everyone seems to use the Bogpod SB-2. I guess that recommendation ought to be enough, right there, but figured I'd ask.
What are some of the best bipods for HFT? I walked around with a fella shooting a ProSport and he had a little sandbag taped in his yoke and I'm reasonably sure I will have to do something like that shooting an HW97. Anyone have more elegant solutions?
Also, BB recommended a monopodhttps://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/utg-monopod-v-rest-and-camera-adapter-part-2/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/01/utg-monopod-v-rest-and-camera-adapter-part-2/) with the foot dug in by right foot and leaning over left thigh instead of a bipod. Thoughts on that?
Thanks in advance.
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"Primos" Trigger Sticks ... gen 1 type
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"Primos" Trigger Sticks ... gen 1 type
I couldn't remember if if was the Bogpod or Primos that had a "gen 1" model, no longer available, that was sort of the ultimate FT bipod.
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What Scott said, I wasn't able to find the Gen 1 sticks, so I bought the Gen 2. They turned out to be to long. After some thought I figured out how to cut them down without destroying them. Cut 8" off and they still look and work like new.
Tom
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What Scott said, I wasn't able to find the Gen 1 sticks, so I bought the Gen 2. They turned out to be to long. After some thought I figured out how to cut them down without destroying them. Cut 8" off and they still look and work like new.
Tom
From what I see the gen 2 are 28" in vertical position so something like 19" spread, which seems "adequately short" for FT. Cutting 8" off would put them at about 11" spread.
Am I reading that right? And what's the secret to trimming them?
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I use a Vanguard bipod with a Diana 34 and Disco with a Boyds Evolution stock.
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Gah. Lesson on searching. Shooting sticks was the better search term. or, I could have just scanned the three pages of the HFT forum. ??? ???
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I've had a B-Square Monopod A2000 for decades. Round wood knob or padded V rifle cradle or camera mount tops the adjustable height pod.
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I would warn you AGAINST the Gen-2 Primos, even the short ones.
It is just too wiggly for words.
If your form is to hold one hand on the handle of the bipod, it can be okay ... but if you expect the Primos Gen-2 to be able to hold the weight of your gun steady ... bad news.
I bought them and don't use them.
I built some out of scrap wood and a 1/4-inch bolt with wing nut.
Cheers!
Bob
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I've had a B-Square Monopod A2000 for decades. Round wood knob or padded V rifle cradle or camera mount tops the adjustable height pod.
Any of yall ever try something like this with a monopod?
(https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/01-08-15-03-anchor-foot.jpg)
What isn't shown, but described is to then lay the stick across your thigh. Sounds plausible, even good, and BB says it beats most bipods and he ought to know what he's talking about.
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I've had a B-Square Monopod A2000 for decades. Round wood knob or padded V rifle cradle or camera mount tops the adjustable height pod.
Any of yall ever try something like this with a monopod?
(https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/01-08-15-03-anchor-foot.jpg)
What isn't shown, but described is to then lay the stick across your thigh. Sounds plausible, even good, and BB says it beats most bipods and he ought to know what he's talking about.
I'm trying to envision that, but failing miserably.
Is the base stuck under the opposite foot of the thigh the upper portion is resting on? Or is the monopod resting across both thighs somehow?
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I've had a B-Square Monopod A2000 for decades. Round wood knob or padded V rifle cradle or camera mount tops the adjustable height pod.
Any of yall ever try something like this with a monopod?
(https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/01-08-15-03-anchor-foot.jpg)
What isn't shown, but described is to then lay the stick across your thigh. Sounds plausible, even good, and BB says it beats most bipods and he ought to know what he's talking about.
I'm trying to envision that, but failing miserably.
Is the base stuck under the opposite foot of the thigh the upper portion is resting on? Or is the monopod resting across both thighs somehow?
Base is under opposite side foot.
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I've had a B-Square Monopod A2000 for decades. Round wood knob or padded V rifle cradle or camera mount tops the adjustable height pod.
Any of yall ever try something like this with a monopod?
(https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/01-08-15-03-anchor-foot.jpg)
What isn't shown, but described is to then lay the stick across your thigh. Sounds plausible, even good, and BB says it beats most bipods and he ought to know what he's talking about.
I'm trying to envision that, but failing miserably.
Is the base stuck under the opposite foot of the thigh the upper portion is resting on? Or is the monopod resting across both thighs somehow?
Base is under opposite side foot.
Yes. Anyone tried it, have comments pro or con?
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I would warn you AGAINST the Gen-2 Primos, even the short ones.
It is just too wiggly for words.
If your form is to hold one hand on the handle of the bipod, it can be okay ... but if you expect the Primos Gen-2 to be able to hold the weight of your gun steady ... bad news.
I bought them and don't use them.
I built some out of scrap wood and a 1/4-inch bolt with wing nut.
Cheers!
Bob
Primos are real nice, except for the wiggle wobble. Someone just told me there is a modification that will eliminate the wobble, but darn if I can remember what it was.
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I just tightened the nuts on the top of the legs to reduce the movement.
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I would warn you AGAINST the Gen-2 Primos, even the short ones.
It is just too wiggly for words.
If your form is to hold one hand on the handle of the bipod, it can be okay ... but if you expect the Primos Gen-2 to be able to hold the weight of your gun steady ... bad news.
I bought them and don't use them.
I built some out of scrap wood and a 1/4-inch bolt with wing nut.
Cheers!
Bob
Primos are real nice, except for the wiggle wobble. Someone just told me there is a modification that will eliminate the wobble, but darn if I can remember what it was.
At the very top of the Gen II legs put a automotive hose clamp so they cannot splay outward.
You might want some foam rubber inside the clamps.
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Thanks for the clarification. I've got one of the Primos monopods, but would like to start using it. Standing is OK-ish, but the sitting recommendations might make it much more stable. Would love to see an actual picture of someone using this method WITH the rifle.
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Here is a pic of the monopod method discussed.
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Here is a pic of the monopod method discussed.
Awesome! Thanks! I'll have to try that out.
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I'm using the Primos Polecate bipod in HFT with my Diana 34 spring piston rifle. The combination seems to work well. In my first HFT a couple of weeks ago I took third place competing against a field of PCPs.
I rest the forestock directly on the yolk of the bipod at the balance point of the D34. I hold the yolk lightly with my off hand and just barely touch the left side of the stock with my off hand index finger to lessen the horizontal back and forth wobble. I lock both elbows into the top of my thighs, and let the butt of the stock float on the shoulder.
I find that I shoot my best groups off this bipod, compared to shooting at a table. Yesterday, under relatively calm conditions, I shot a sub-dime size groups out to 45 yards and a nickel size group at 50 yards.
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I just tightened the nuts on the top of the legs to reduce the movement.
I was told modifying required drilling and adding a bolt somewhere?? Going to try tightening and or hose clamp method BarnyDaddy recommended. Thanks guys!
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I just tightened the nuts on the top of the legs to reduce the movement.
I was told modifying required drilling and adding a bolt somewhere?? Going to try tightening and or hose clamp method BarnyDaddy recommended. Thanks guys!
So I am seeing a lot of criticism of the Primos 2d Gen. What about the bogpod?
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This is what I use for HFT comps.
Vanguard PRO B62 Shooting Bi Pod with Adjustable Yoke
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I just tightened the nuts on the top of the legs to reduce the movement.
I was told modifying required drilling and adding a bolt somewhere?? Going to try tightening and or hose clamp method BarnyDaddy recommended. Thanks guys!
So I am seeing a lot of criticism of the Primos 2d Gen. What about the bogpod?
I'm using the Bogpod for Hunter FT and like it. I see a few others using it also.
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So I am seeing a lot of criticism of the Primos 2d Gen. What about the bogpod?
I have two of the Bogpod SB2 bipods, just to have one for backup (as I sometimes travel hundreds of miles for a FT match). I've never had to use the backup. And both combined cost less than any Primos. The SB2 model is the right height for seated shooting. No need to saw off legs, etc...
https://www.amazon.com/Bog-Pod-735544-BOG-POD-Sportsmans-Bipod/dp/B003ZVK5RO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1481393828&sr=8-5&keywords=bog-pod+tripod (https://www.amazon.com/Bog-Pod-735544-BOG-POD-Sportsmans-Bipod/dp/B003ZVK5RO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1481393828&sr=8-5&keywords=bog-pod+tripod)
To be honest, I don't understand the jingoism about bipods. They are just tools, and there is no advantage in having the best brand name bipod on the course, compared with another that does the same thing.
Sometimes spending too much is a disadvantage, as well. Some of the more expensive bipods have straps or links that tie the two legs together. May look steadier, but I found them to be far less useful in practice. I'll explain...
When seated in the shooting position and the bipod in front of you, it's necessary to raise or lower the yoke to put the rifle on target. This we all know. Now, with the Bogpod, this is EASILY accomplished by simply spreading the legs apart to lower, or closer together to raise the natural POA. This can be done with the rifle in the yoke, which I purposely set too low -- sighting through the scope to verify it's too low. Then -- in a single motion -- I simply grab the yoke (gun in place) with my off-hand, and lift it up slightly with side pressure on the left leg. Gravity then pulls the right leg closer to the left. Recheck the aim. If now too high, then raise the yoke again, and kick out the right leg slightly with pinky-finger pressure. EASY.
I set the legs to a certain length (marked with a silver marker) before starting a match. This length is based on experience, one length for rifle matches, and another for pistol. However, once set, I very seldom have to re-adjust the leg length during an ENTIRE match.
In contrast, if the legs are tied together, the height of the yoke can only be adjusted with the legs, each leg made shorter or longer with every target. Others have short center poles that you must unlock, then fiddle with the center pole to raise or lower the yoke, then relock the mechanism. I often watch these users remove the rifle from the yoke to begin this process... sometimes several attempts. Just me, I suppose, but all this fiddling is unnecessary, not to mention putting extra stress on the leg lock mechanism over time.
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So I am seeing a lot of criticism of the Primos 2d Gen. What about the bogpod?
I have two of the Bogpod SB2 bipods, just to have one for backup (as I sometimes travel hundreds of miles for a FT match). I've never had to use the backup. And both combined cost less than any Primos. The SB2 model is the right height for seated shooting. No need to saw off legs, etc...
https://www.amazon.com/Bog-Pod-735544-BOG-POD-Sportsmans-Bipod/dp/B003ZVK5RO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1481393828&sr=8-5&keywords=bog-pod+tripod (https://www.amazon.com/Bog-Pod-735544-BOG-POD-Sportsmans-Bipod/dp/B003ZVK5RO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1481393828&sr=8-5&keywords=bog-pod+tripod)
To be honest, I don't understand the jingoism about bipods. They are just tools, and there is no advantage in having the best brand name bipod on the course, compared with another that does the same thing.
Sometimes spending too much is a disadvantage, as well. Some of the more expensive bipods have straps or links that tie the two legs together. May look steadier, but I found them to be far less useful in practice. I'll explain...
When seated in the shooting position and the bipod in front of you, it's necessary to raise or lower the yoke to put the rifle on target. This we all know. Now, with the Bogpod, this is EASILY accomplished by simply spreading the legs apart to lower, or closer together to raise the natural POA. This can be done with the rifle in the yoke, which I purposely set too low -- sighting through the scope to verify it's too low. Then -- in a single motion -- I simply grab the yoke (gun in place) with my off-hand, and lift it up slightly with side pressure on the left leg. Gravity then pulls the right leg closer to the left. Recheck the aim. If now too high, then raise the yoke again, and kick out the right leg slightly with pinky-finger pressure. EASY.
I set the legs to a certain length (marked with a silver marker) before starting a match. This length is based on experience, one length for rifle matches, and another for pistol. However, once set, I very seldom have to re-adjust the leg length during an ENTIRE match.
In contrast, if the legs are tied together, the height of the yoke can only be adjusted with the legs, each leg made shorter or longer with every target. Others have short center poles that you must unlock, then fiddle with the center pole to raise or lower the yoke, then relock the mechanism. I often watch these users remove the rifle from the yoke to begin this process... sometimes several attempts. Just me, I suppose, but all this fiddling is unnecessary, not to mention putting extra stress on the leg lock mechanism over time.
Thanks for the considered answer, Bob.
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Mark, I have an extra primos shirt bipod gen 1 for sale if you want it.
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Mark, I have an extra primos shirt bipod gen 1 for sale if you want it.
Hmmm, thanks Jeff. I may. I guess I should figure out which class I prefer before spending much more money. ;D