Xisico XS12



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Xisico XS12
« on: December 29, 2017, 04:19:03 PM »
Looks like a right hand stock,but wondering if it would work shooting left handed? I can shoot either way so I,m still going to order one but I prefer left hand shooting and was just curious if it would still work some what okay.

I,m going to use it for target shooting only so is a basic tune enough or should I get the full tune? To me it seems the full tune is probavly best but I was thinking about saving a few bucks towards the xs25.
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2017, 11:49:58 AM »
Unless the added price is an issue, get the full tune ... much better to just get it and start testing pellets than to have to mess with it ... unless one really enjoys tinkering with them ...

heck, i get more enjoyment shooting shot strings, tinkering to get a better one and testing pellets than i get from shooting .... most of the time anyway ..  ;D
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2017, 03:30:07 PM »
I think you are right with going with a full tune.I,m not into tinkering just yet and from what I have been reading this gun will be a hoot when brought to full potential. thank you for the reply Geoffrey.
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2017, 03:34:10 PM »
Unless the added price is an issue, get the full tune ... much better to just get it and start testing pellets than to have to mess with it ... unless one really enjoys tinkering with them ...
+1 on the full tune...I have Mike's XS25 in .22 with the full tune package, money very well spent in my book and a rifle worth getting if you're considering it.
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2017, 01:25:36 PM »
scott you could also get a xs25 and have it detuned so it becomes milder, say about 11 fpe. that would be about 150 fps faster than a xs12 and it has a better trigger. with a tune and some trigger work they are quite good guns. and since you are using it asa target gun, i would go for the bambo thumbhole stocked guns, in .177, with a full tune. i think he is blowing them out at 70 bux, lus 100 for the full tune (full tune is generally to your specification, so give mike a call)
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2017, 02:18:15 PM »
I have a full tune XS12 and a full tune XS25 detuned to 600 fps with Crosman Premier Lite's.  The XS12 shoots the CPL's at 560 fps.  I bought the XS12 used from a member here and the XS25 was new from FDAR. 

The trigger is not as bad as I thought it would be on the XS12.  Once it hits the wall there is some distance before it breaks.  The XS25 trigger is much nicer as you hit the wall and then and then breaks with a bit more pressure.  I don't detect any movement to the break.

I asked Mike for an additional plain XS25 stock so that I don't mess up the pretty bamboo one that came with the rifle.  The lop on both is about the same, maybe the XS12 is shorter by a half inch at most.  When the XS12 is mounted it does feel more than a half inch.

The XS12 is lighter, almost 5 inches shorter and it slightly easier to cock but with a much shorter cocking stroke.

If I had to pick between the two I would pick the XS25.  Hopefully the XS12 would be a good training rifle for my 12 year old niece and 11 year old nephew when their parents approve them to shoot.

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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2017, 10:26:59 PM »
Sooooo now my decision is a tougher one LOL. 

I thought the xs12 would be good for my short(26 feet) indoor set up and be pretty quiet,but I like the idea of the detuned 25.

Is the detuned xs25 as quiet as the xs12?

Forgot to say thanks for the help and input !
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2018, 10:14:21 PM »
the xs 12 is quieter, specially one in .22, you gotta take in consideration that when i say a "detuned' gun, i mean the gun is still pushing medium pellets at high 7s, low 8s fps. The xs, tuned for power shoots 7.0 gr pellets (light pellets) at low 6s. Im sure if you detune the b25 to shoot like the 12, it would be even quieter as it has more mass to dampen vibration. The b25 (or xs25, same thing) is normally shooting low 9s... so high 7s is very, lets say... relaxed. I tell you what, get both, tuned. you wont regret it. if you buy one you are just delaying the purchase of the other one... :)
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2018, 10:19:16 PM »
but let me throw this in... if your shooting is only 26 ft, the xs12 tuned for smoothness and with a little trigger love  is plenty. heck, at that distance i would actually look into a cmp daisy avanti 753 or 853... but that is an entirely different rabbit hole...
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2018, 11:39:12 PM »
I have to second what lillysdad621 just said about the 753 and 853's.  You can beat a refurbished CMP 853 for $120.  They have excellent accuracy and they have single stroke pneumatic powerplants.  The trigger could be better.  But can be made better or you, not very difficult, or you may luck out and find a rifle that has had the trigger tweaked. 

I wish there was an adult stock or aftermarket option available.

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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2018, 04:01:45 AM »
I have to second what lillysdad621 just said about the 753 and 853's.  You can beat a refurbished CMP 853 for $120.  They have excellent accuracy and they have single stroke pneumatic powerplants.  The trigger could be better.  But can be made better or you, not very difficult, or you may luck out and find a rifle that has had the trigger tweaked. 

I wish there was an adult stock or aftermarket option available.

Taso

But will it take small game like the xs12 within 20 yards w a headshot?
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2018, 09:31:01 AM »
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But will it take small game like the xs12 within 20 yards w a headshot?

The OP stated "I,m going to use it for target shooting only."  He never mentioned hunting.

But to answer your question Fatmatic, no.  My CMP 853 is only a 3.5 fpe gun at the muzzle. 

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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2018, 11:28:40 AM »
Thanks for the input guys! My 26ft indoor range is for using during these sub-zero days.I can shoot out to around 60-70 yards outside.

From everything that I have been reading I want my next gun to be a tuned gun from Mike M. so I think I,m going to go with some of the advice on here and get the full tune xs12 first and then maybe a 25.

Thanks ! Scott
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2018, 12:19:33 PM »
I think you are making the right choice Scott. I have a pair of the XS-12 in .177, A full tuned XS-25 in .22 and an XS-25 de tuned with the additional full tune options from Mike. At 26' and either of the mentioned Daisy guns you will surely soon get bored. The XS-12 at 26' will be an accurate shooter with the challenges of a spring gun albeit way smaller in the recoil department. The de tuned 25 in '22 will be an accurate pester/hunter in the 35yd range. A full tuned in stock power form will cover targets beyond that.
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2018, 08:46:14 PM »
hey scott: great choice! you wont regret it, and if you get tired of the xs12 eventually you can sell it here and it will be snatched in seconds! (and you will sell it once you discover the R7/ hw30...). I actually owned a xs 12 modified to have a b26 trigger... and i sold it as it just sat there after i started my R7 /hw30 rollercoaster ride.

AS per hunting with a 853, i actually used mine to control pest birds inside large warehouses (think lowes, HD, walmart). Yes... it is part of my job... when not hunting raccoons, squirrels, etc... (let the hatred commence...). The reason is that the x53 series rifles are accurate enough to headshot pest birds out to 20 yards. Mine was setup with  9x bugbuster and it shot 511 fps with RWS super h points. it was devastating and quiet. once i was testing my zero (11 yards) before work when i noticed a rabbit in my customer's  garden (sacred ground...). I had nothing but a loaded 753... and he was about 10 yards away... it was a text book eye shot. bunny jumped up, landed, kicked 2 or 3 times and then expired...  so yes, it can do it if you know your and its limitations. in the spirit of full disclosure, it would be the last gun i use to do rabbit control. there are better choices.
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Re: Xisico XS12
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 09:04:14 AM »
All true but let's not forget, the OP said he looking to only target practice with this gun.
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