Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?



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Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« on: July 07, 2016, 08:15:50 PM »
I've got a couple of these that I picked up through Pyramid's refurb offerings cheap, about 55.00ea a few years back. I understand they are RWS 34 clones. Question is will 34 parts interchange? Can I go to Vorkek or some of the other aftermarket sources and buy their 34 parts to tune these? This is going to be a side by side tune with my 13yr old doing his own(with a little supervision). Not looking to dump a lot into them, more interested in him tuning his own pellet gun so more effort will be put into the disassembly, cleaning, deburring, and lubrication. Obviously I want a good seal, might consider a new spring, that's about all. Any good videos out there on a take down and reassembly of this rifle or the 34?
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2016, 11:06:59 PM »
Although you have a Diana 34 clone I don't recommend Diana parts.  Yes, most will fit, but they tend to be more expensive than Chinese clone parts.  Check out Flying Dragon Air Rifles XS-25 for many internal parts.  I have used them for my Diana 34.

For springs and seals I use Air Rifle Headquarters.  They have excellent quality at reasonable prices.

Although, strictly speaking, a spring compressor is not a necessity it will make working on your guns safer and easier.  I wouldn't work on a gun without a compressor.

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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2016, 12:15:40 AM »
I put a Vortek piston seal made for a Diana 34 into a Chinese springer and after fitting the seal to the chamber, the gun shoots just fine. You should not have a problem with aftermarket seals.
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2016, 11:01:57 AM »
I put a Vortek piston seal made for a Diana 34 into a Chinese springer and after fitting the seal to the chamber, the gun shoots just fine. You should not have a problem with aftermarket seals.
Likewise,  I've had good results with ARH Tesla and Apex seals in my 'hawks.
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2016, 10:39:24 PM »
 I did learn alot when i blew the o-rings in my first pumper , dad had me sit by while he dis assembled the rifle and reassemble the rifle also how to search through our shops selection of o- rings to find the best fit, always be willing to learn from those who been there don that, and you kids , if you know what 3/4 of the tools in your dad's shop can do you will figure out what the rest might be capable of :)
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2016, 03:21:29 PM »
As long as you are at it do a trigger job on it. i did mine down to less than 1# and got rid of 95% of the first stage. One hole groups some of the time at 10 yrds, if i do my part.jsb  10.5 gr. pellets.
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2016, 06:33:43 PM »
"do a trigger job", well that's easy to say. How about....here's how you do a trigger job......I know Mike Melick used to do these on the Chinese springer clones, does he do a Ruger Airhawk? Is there a step by step in the archives on how to do one?
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Revelation 17cal BB/Pellet
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2016, 11:02:48 AM »

first remove the cross pin in the trigger blade, now replace it with a 1/16 inch rod or drill bit, using a small pin punch at 90 degrees from the flat inside the blade, tap a mark to guide the drill bit. Now drill through the blade at 90 degrees from the flat using the correct size bit for the size screw you will be using ( I use a 4-40 by 3/4 inch) tap hole from the top and run the new screw with a lock nut in from the bottom until the end is just at the top of the two holes left by removing the cross pin. Polishing the tip of the screw is needed. To adjust the release weight turn front screw in 1/8 to 1/4 turn at a time and adjust rear screw for length of travel in first stage. Adjusting the rear screw may require you readjust the front one. DO NOT GO EXTREMELY LIGHT ON RELEASE WEIGHT. There will be wear over time and the rifle may fail to latch properly if release is to light resulting in reverse droop for break barrels....I have done hundreds of these mods and with correct adjustment it will improve the feel...just don't go for a target weight trigger

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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2016, 11:15:28 AM »
You can send the trigger blade to flying dragon,  and ask him to do the " two screw mod " to it. I think he charges 10, or 15 dollars.
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 12:02:46 PM »

first remove the cross pin in the trigger blade, now replace it with a 1/16 inch rod or drill bit, using a small pin punch at 90 degrees from the flat inside the blade, tap a mark to guide the drill bit. Now drill through the blade at 90 degrees from the flat using the correct size bit for the size screw you will be using ( I use a 4-40 by 3/4 inch) tap hole from the top and run the new screw with a lock nut in from the bottom until the end is just at the top of the two holes left by removing the cross pin. Polishing the tip of the screw is needed. To adjust the release weight turn front screw in 1/8 to 1/4 turn at a time and adjust rear screw for length of travel in first stage. Adjusting the rear screw may require you readjust the front one. DO NOT GO EXTREMELY LIGHT ON RELEASE WEIGHT. There will be wear over time and the rifle may fail to latch properly if release is to light resulting in reverse droop for break barrels....I have done hundreds of these mods and with correct adjustment it will improve the feel...just don't go for a target weight trigger

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And here are a few pictures to go along with Kernbigo's quote (the text of which looks vaguely familiar but I can't place it...LOL)

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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2018, 07:50:13 PM »
I have fitted a new TO6 trigger and piston for mod 34 to a ruger.
The new piston was shorter but it fits.
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 11:52:14 AM »
So the RWS TO6 trigger is a bolt in on the Redhawk/Blackhawk?
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Ruger Airhawk
Benjamin NP Trail 17 all-Weather
Benjamin NP Trail 22 Birch, home tuned, kitchen sink thrown at it.
Revelation 17cal BB/Pellet
Benjamin Franklin 132 22cal, 1978
Crosman Titan GP .177
Couple of Redryders
Couple of newer/plastic Crossman 760's
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Re: Ruger 177 Blackhawk and RWS 34 parts interchangeability?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 04:39:08 PM »
So the RWS TO6 trigger is a bolt in on the Redhawk/Blackhawk?

Not without the piston. As I understand it, the piston rod catch is different than the one on the T05.
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