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Some filaments such as those containing carbon fiber or glass fiber are very abrasive, rapidly wearing out printer nozzles. This is where nozzles made from an industrial diamond are useful:
You can buy them from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/stores/USSynthetic/page/079E7A52-4F37-45E6-AD43-607FC386C7F2?&linkCode=sl2&tag=three04-20&linkId=27a1deeba084650f3af41e2fce2ba605&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl
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I did quite a bit of reading about these, and besides being the hardest material, they have a far better conduction of heat.... whereas Ruby (2nd hardest) is the worst conductor.... I just wish they weren't so expensive, and I wish the harder nozzles were available in 0.5mm.... I think that would be the ideal size for printing Carbon Fibre.... I am now using a line width of 1.5X the nozzle diameter, which increases the inter-layer bonding a lot, and allows a greater overhang angle without support.... That means my choices are 0.20mm height x 0.60mm width, or 0.30mm height x 0.90mm width.... The latter prints twice as fast, but with more noticeable layer lines.... I have tried printing at 0.25mm high, which is necessary in CF if you are only printing 0.4mm wide (to get proper flow with the CF), but I have found that if you increase the pressure in the nozzle by printing wider you can get away with the 0.2mm height no problem....
If anyone finds hardened steel nozzles (or other hard ones) in 0.5mm, please let me know.... I have a "Spider" hot end (stock in my Ender 5 S1).... The nozzles are 16.8mm long....
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December 23, 2024, 02:56:08 PM »
Bob,
Thermal conductivity would seem rather important for 3D printer nozzles, so thanks for that bit of info.
I did a 15 minute search for hardened steel nozzles with a 0.5 mm bore and 16.8 mm length. I found nothing, so I sent an email to Stefan of CNC Kitchen on youtube. I asked him if he knew of a source or could suggest how to find such a nozzle. If he replies, I will post the info here.
Otherwise, all I can think of is to take a 0.4 mm hard steel nozzle and open it up with a tungsten carbide mill-drill. Then bring the bore to exact size and improve the finish of the hole by reaming or using gauge pins as hones.
Here is a tungsten carbide 3/6" (4.8 mm) mill-drill intended for hardened steel:
https://www.mcmaster.com/8905A12/
Tungsten carbide reamer in 5 mm diameter for hardened steel:
https://www.mcmaster.com/30545A69/
While reamers are expensive, pin gauges are cheap. These can be used to determine the nozzle diameter as you enlarge it, and possibly as honing rods (after putting a chamfer on the end, and perhaps some small flats ground on to hold lapping compound). The pins would be spun relative to the nozzle and swept axially, up and down by means of the mill's quill.
Gauge pins:
https://www.mcmaster.com/23055A97-23055A197/
https://www.mcmaster.com/23055A97-23055A196/
https://www.mcmaster.com/23055A97-23055A195/
If the nozzles are around Rc 60, perhaps annealing them before drilling and reaming might be an option. The heat treating them back to desired hardness. Honing to ensure roundness and cylindricity might still be needed to compensate for distortion during quenching.
Or you could make a complete nozzle from A2 tool steel, using high speed steel tools. Then heat to a cherry red and allow to air cool. Followed by a 200 degree C tempering so the nozzle does not chip if you drop it on concrete.
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December 23, 2024, 05:14:56 PM »
Another option to match a hardened steel nozzle on the cheap, is to take a cheap brass 0.5 mm nozzle, ream it open 5.05 mm, then electroless nickel plated inside to restore it to 5 mm ID. EN plating uses no electricity, and so the difficulty of plating evenly inside a small hole or tube does not exist.
EN has an as plated hardness of 55 to 60 Rc. Baking the part after plating can increase that to 65 Rc. Plating thickness depends on plating time. Each hour of submersion in the plating solution adds about 0.001" to the surface.
As CF filament printing causes surface abrasion at low "bulk pressure", the hard EN plating does not need to be very thick, as would be achieved with a hardened steel nozzle.
Here a guy uses EN plating to make piston rings more wear resistant:
8 minutes 24 seconds in to this video:
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December 23, 2024, 06:15:33 PM »
Based on the video below, nozzles wear primarily on the flat face at the bottom, rather than at the nominal extrusion bore. In that case, the NL plating I suggested above should be applied inside and out, back to the top end of the hex head, but not on the threads (unless they have a very loose fit anyway).
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December 23, 2024, 11:27:44 PM »
Not the right length, Bob, but a hardened steel 0.5 mm nozzle. Perhaps contacting the manufacturer might reveal a longer version of this one?
www.amazon.com/Genuine-E3D-Hardened-Steel-Nozzle/dp/B07CYWV2VX
Could you make a threaded tube from copper to screw in ahead of this nozzle, of the right length for better thermal transfer? The threaded tube would need a feature so you can unscrew it. Perhaps a slot or external hex feature...
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December 24, 2024, 12:46:09 AM »
In reply number 2, somehow my brain slipped a clutch, and as a result the McMaster tools I listed are ten times the diameter required.
Despite that amusing glitch, the principle idea of opening a 0.4 mm steel nozzle to 0.5 by means of appropriate tooling, stands.
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I have some 0.5mm drills coming.... We'll see what happens....
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If you need a tungsten carbide drill bit for that job, this may be an option:
https://www.mcmaster.com/3030A51/
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December 26, 2024, 10:59:35 PM »
I don't think I'll bother drilling nozzles to 0.5mm, except as an experiment.... You see my wife and I have our 25th Anniversary coming up in January, and my darling just ordered me Diamondback nozzles for my Spider hot end in 0.4mm and 0.6mm.... She gets a new Toaster/Air Frying Oven....
Incidently, "wife" and "darling" are in this case the same person.... also my best friend and soul mate !!!
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December 26, 2024, 11:03:04 PM »
Good for you, Bob.
It will be interesting to see if the drilled-out nozzle works, unless you want to spend your time using the diamond ones.
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Let's see if I can drill it with the drills I bought....
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Keep them rpm’s up supahfast!!
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December 28, 2024, 03:29:32 PM »
I tried the tungsten 0.5mm drills I got for Christmas on some 0.4mm hardened steel nozzles I had (they were new).... Here is what the drill looks like, I got a set of 20 from Amazon....
The first one I used "Cool Tap" cutting oil and it broke immediately.... The next one I did dry and by advancing the drill 0.025" backing it off and repeating until through it worked perfectly, and the next one the same.... The next one broke on the second advancement of the bit.... I had another brand of nozzle and it broke immediately.... I used a new bit each time, and was running at over 2000 RPM (as fast as my lathe will go).... So, I got 2 usable nozzles from 5 nozzles and 5 drill bits.... Not really worth the cost and hassle on a per nozzle basis....
I am sure these drills would be fine for drilling out brass nozzles, should you want an in-between size, but I wouldn't recommend this on hardened steel....
Now to give these a try and see if I can find any difference printing a 0.25mm high layer with a 0.75mm width between these, a 0.4mm and a 0.6mm.... CF-PETG will be the test filament....
Bob
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December 28, 2024, 03:40:19 PM »
Thanks Bob,
Tiny drills are very fragile, so good job on getting two functional nozzles, from only 2000 RPM.
Your print results should be interesting.
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January 10, 2025, 10:46:33 PM »
After the delivery company for Amazon (Intelcom/Dragonfly) losing my Diamondback Nozzles, they turned up a block away at a neighbours house!.... Amazon wanted a Police Report to send me more, can you imagine the RCMP coming out to write a report for a missing delivery?.... Anyways, I finally got them, and WOW the packging!!!!
They were packed in screw-top aluminum cans with a clear lid.... I'll bet the packing cost more than a usual nozzle!.... I'm not usually dazzled by bling, nor do I ever purchase the latest and greatest piece of technology, but I'm glad I sprung for these.... I can't wait to try them out.... The instructions say to run a Temperature Tower as the heat conductivity is so good they will likely run at a lower temerature.... Should last forever, right?....
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The tip of the Diamondback Nozzles is polished to a high gloss.... That, and the better heat conduction appear to be producing a better surface finish, the layer lines are less noticeable, and PLA parts have a higher gloss.... The two filaments I have tested so far (a Performance PLA and a CF-PETG) both seem to have high strength in the vertical Z axis, so the better heat conduction may be increasing the layer to layer adhesion.... I haven't done enough testing to be sure yet, but so far I am VERY impressed by the printing quality.... and you may be able to print at a bit lower temperature....
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