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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => American/U.S. Air Gun Gates => Topic started by: TraderJoe on August 06, 2017, 03:13:32 PM
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Would like some suggestions/opinions on barrels for CCS 1300 KT (.22 cal) My choices really boil down to either the 10" LW or the Crosman 18". Comments please. Would be using the shoulder stock option.
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I would go with the 14.6" Lothar Walther Match Barrel (.22 caliber) and add a Rocker1 LDC.. You'll have the accuracy and quietness that is outstanding.
My 1322 as a carbine with a 14" barrel and it is pretty cool to shoot.
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t445/screwwork69/DSC05322.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/screwwork69/media/DSC05322.jpg.html)
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IIRC these were originally found in a GTA thread.
.22 (5.5mm) CALIBER
Length------Original Gun----Crosman P/N---Notes
7.5”----------2240 Only-------2240-002
10.25”---------1322-----------1322-064-----No sight flat
14.5”-----------2289-----------2289-001----Has no dimple for barrel band.
14.5”-----------2250-----------2250-019----Has dimple for barrel band.
18"-------------2250XE--------2400-006
18”-------------2400-----------2400-102----CCS owners only
24”-------------2260-----------2260-003----Obsolete
24”-------------Disco-----------2260SE-001
26”-------------UK Disco-------6-2261-001
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I would go with the 14.6" Lothar Walther Match Barrel (.22 caliber) and add a Rocker1 LDC.. You'll have the accuracy and quietness that is outstanding.
My 1322 as a carbine with a 14" barrel and it is pretty cool to shoot.
That's the way I'm leaning. but now you have to educate me. Where do I find the Rocker1 LDC? ???
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Joe,
Rocker1 aka (David) is a great guy for tuning and LDC's, I buy all of my LDC's from David.
Please tell David I said hi!
Here is a link to Rocker1 LDC's. If you want to see some of work search (Rocker1) in the darkside forum!
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119209.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119209.0)
LDC's for My Prods
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119167.msg1150898#msg1150898 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=119167.msg1150898#msg1150898)
Randy
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Does anyone have the part # for the LW 14.5 .22 barrel the ccs now offers? I've heard sometimes you can get ccs parts without a serial # ? Can anyone confirm or deny this?
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I will let you know about the CCS barrel tomorrow. I am going to try it in the morning.
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The part number for the LW 14.6" barrel is P1300-116.
Talked to two crosman people, one said it would have to be a barrel to barrel replacement. So I would had to purchase a CCS gun with that barrel and provide such info.
The second said they had non in stock, asked where I got part number, also asked for CCS info.
So it sounds to me as though you got to find a special person to get one or they heard people were selling them and shut it down.
Also neither would give a cost.
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Would like some suggestions/opinions on barrels for CCS 1300 KT (.22 cal) My choices really boil down to either the 10" LW or the Crosman 18". Comments please. Would be using the shoulder stock option.
You know the .22 14.6 LW barrel is now an option on the CSS 1300KT, right?
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once you buy a CCS product you are supposed to be able to buy CCS parts for it...I'll try on Monday as I want a .22 14.6" LW barrel and long steel breech for my 1377....i already have a KT1300.....also.want a couple Prod grip and trigger assemblies, a Challenger power adjuster for my 2260 and a couple challenger strikers for the custom hammers i will carve out for the Prod trigger to 13** conversions.....we'll see how that order goes!
oh yeah.... a black muzzle break too...
and a MIM LPA........and.....
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Would like some suggestions/opinions on barrels for CCS 1300 KT (.22 cal) My choices really boil down to either the 10" LW or the Crosman 18". Comments please. Would be using the shoulder stock option.
You know the .22 14.6 LW barrel is now an option on the CSS 1300KT, right?
Right...was just thinking the 10" for the pistol look or the 18" for rifle. I actually am beginning to think (from all I've read) that the 14.6 LW is the best choice. I have a 2300KT on order with Crosman 10' barrel; if it turns out to be one of the bad ones, I will order the 14.6" LW and swap it out. :D
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14.6 LW barrel you cant go wrong, made one of my pumpers into a tack driver, have even shot flys that landed on my target sheets at 20yrds. Thats when i was impressed with the LW barrel
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When I was talking to Crosman a few weeks back, the gentleman I spoke to explained you have to buy a CCS airgun with the LW barrel in order to be able to order a new LW barrel. If your CCS gun did not come with one, too bad.
I will add my 2400KT with a Crosman .22 18" barrel is very accurate, so wile the LW's accuracy is a given, why not give the Crosman barrel a chance? I've been shooting 25 yard cloverleafs with several different pellets, and for a gun that cost less than $90 delivered, I can't complain one bit.
Like numerous other members here, I have a small pile of David (Rocker1's) LDCs. His carbon-fiber silencers are especially sweet.
For a pumper, I feel the 14.6 barrel would make for a perfect compact carbine.
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I, for sure & have done, would go with the LW 14" barrel. Just a great choice as there seems to be no negative comments about an LW barrel. Just go w/the best.
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ummm..NO, you don't have to buy an LW barreled custom shop gun to able to buy LW barrels from Crosman....you have to buy a custom shop gun to buy any other custom shop parts....the 14.6" LW barrels are NOT YET available for individual sale....as of when i tried to buy about 3 weeks ago....so to get a 14.6" LW barrel you 2 options.....buy a custom shop gun with one or buy a barrel from an aftermarket supplier that buys custom shop guns and breaks them down and sells the parts.....
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ummm..NO, you don't have to buy an LW barreled custom shop gun to able to buy LW barrels from Crosman....you have to buy a custom shop gun to buy any other custom shop parts....the 14.6" LW barrels are NOT YET available for individual sale....as of when i tried to buy about 3 weeks ago....so to get a 14.6" LW barrel you 2 options.....buy a custom shop gun with one or buy a barrel from an aftermarket supplier that buys custom shop guns and breaks them down and sells the parts.....
I guess you did not understand my previous post? I said exactly what the guy at Crosman told me. He said in order for me to buy the CCS LW barrel separately, I would need to buy my CCS gun with the LW barrel already. Since I did not, it was not an option. I could have bought any other non-LW barrels had I wanted to, but not the LW barrels as Crosman does not want to blow through their stock of LW barrels. IE: it was not available as an option for individual sale unless a prior purchase was made that utilized the LW barrel. I just put emphasis on your statement that I said in my prior post. Thank you for reiterating my initial statement.
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You can buy the 22 cal 14" LW barrel on EBay.
Alchemy AirWerks has them. About $100 delivered.
I've bought several from him when they were less expensive.
Search "crosman lothar walther barrel"
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Good info on barrel order numbers ;D
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I heard a couple of years ago that Crosman had improved their .22 barrels. I've never seen it proven yet. Maybe I should buy a new 18" .22 barrel and compare it to one of my old ones. Push a pellet through, inspect and shoot groups with each one. I may do that at some point, but too many gun things to do right now. Regards, Tom
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I just got a custom 1322 from Alchemy Air Werks with an 18" Crosman barrel. David there crowned it before sending. I don't have much experience with it yet, but I've been shooting dime-size groups at 15 yards, and I can see in the scope that that's how much I'm shaking. I'm anxious to see how much tighter it gets after I get a shooting bag so I can eliminate most of the shaking and find out what the gun is really capable of. FWIW, I'm using the 18.13gr JSB Exact Jumbo Heavys.
I originally planned to get the 24" barrel, but someone here on the forum said it was ridiculously long; so I went for the 18". Now I think the 18" is very short for a rifle, and kind of wish I had gone for the 24" to get a little more muzzle velocity. We'll see what I think after the 6.5" LDC arrives for it.
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I heard a couple of years ago that Crosman had improved their .22 barrels. I've never seen it proven yet. Maybe I should buy a new 18" .22 barrel and compare it to one of my old ones. Push a pellet through, inspect and shoot groups with each one. I may do that at some point, but too many gun things to do right now. Regards, Tom
I don't have a frame of reference for the older .22 barrels, but the .22 18" Crosman barrel on my 2400KT is excellent. I've shot single-hole groups that left me wondering if I should invest in a HiPac for it so I can open up the range. I'd say go ahead and order up a barrel and give it a whirl- Crosman barrels aren't very expensive.
I'll add my next CCS gun will be ordered in the not-too-distant future; I'll be opting for the LW barrel just 'cuz.
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I just got a custom 1322 from Alchemy Air Werks with an 18" Crosman barrel. David there crowned it before sending. I don't have much experience with it yet, but I've been shooting dime-size groups at 15 yards, and I can see in the scope that that's how much I'm shaking. I'm anxious to see how much tighter it gets after I get a shooting bag so I can eliminate most of the shaking and find out what the gun is really capable of. FWIW, I'm using the 18.13gr JSB Exact Jumbo Heavys.
I originally planned to get the 24" barrel, but someone here on the forum said it was ridiculously long; so I went for the 18". Now I think the 18" is very short for a rifle, and kind of wish I had gone for the 24" to get a little more muzzle velocity. We'll see what I think after the 6.5" LDC arrives for it.
Be sure to try some more flavors of pellets. I'm certain those Alchemy-prepped barrels are better than my nearly-bone-stock Crosman barrel :) Like you, I have a bit of the shakes. These lightweight carbines add fuel to the shaky-fire. I've been thinking about asking David about making a heavier LDC to help stabilize the pointy end.
The 18" barrel is nearly an ideal length if you keep in mind you're talking a carbine, not a full rifle. I also have a 1740 with the 24" .177 barrel (which is actually the Maximus barrel). That gun doesn't have the balance the 18" barrel lends my 2400KT, but when I bench it it's a laser. Incidentally, my next purchase will more than likely be the LW-variant of the 2400.
FWIW, there's another thread in the PCP gate talking about the side-lever breeches coming out of Taiwan on eBay. ~ $150-ish... seems like a perfect compliment to these airguns.
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Those side lever Crosman breeches are from Thailand not Taiwan, Mr. Peter.
They do look nice but I do not like those brass parts.
Would have bought 1, the grey, (I have been waiting for the stainless hi rise Don Cothran breech for months now and I am getting impatient) if not for those brass hardware as I prefer gray, stainless, and black motiff on my airguns.
I have never had a dud Crosman barrel but they are all in. 177 including my Lothars ;D
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I just got a custom 1322 from Alchemy Air Werks with an 18" Crosman barrel. David there crowned it before sending. I don't have much experience with it yet, but I've been shooting dime-size groups at 15 yards, and I can see in the scope that that's how much I'm shaking. I'm anxious to see how much tighter it gets after I get a shooting bag so I can eliminate most of the shaking and find out what the gun is really capable of. FWIW, I'm using the 18.13gr JSB Exact Jumbo Heavys.
Be sure to try some more flavors of pellets. I'm certain those Alchemy-prepped barrels are better than my nearly-bone-stock Crosman barrel :) Like you, I have a bit of the shakes. These lightweight carbines add fuel to the shaky-fire. I've been thinking about asking David about making a heavier LDC to help stabilize the pointy end.
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That gun doesn't have the balance the 18" barrel lends my 2400KT, but when I bench it it's a laser.
I don't think I shake any more than I did 40 or 50 years ago (unless I've had a lot of caffeine), but I've never had the luxury of shooting from a bench with one of those frames. (I don't know what they're called. [Edit: rifle rest, or shooting rest.]) I do have the shooting bags now, so we'll see what happens the next time I shoot. I'm waiting for scope rings to arrive to mount my new Hawke Vantage 4x32 AO mil-dot scope. It would be rather futile to spend more time with the original $20 NcSTAR 4x20 scope since I'll be removing it soon. I've always been very impressed with these people who can shoot an aspirin tablet off the top of a balloon at 25 yards or similar distance, off hand, without popping the balloon!
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Those side lever Crosman breeches are from Thailand not Taiwan, Mr. Peter.
They do look nice but I do not like those brass parts.
Would have bought 1, the grey, (I have been waiting for the stainless hi rise Don Cothran breech for months now and I am getting impatient) if not for those brass hardware as I prefer gray, stainless, and black motif on my airguns.
I have never had a dud Crosman barrel but they are all in. 177 including my Lothars ;D
Woops... that's off by a few countries...
I don't mind brass. Being ex-Navy submariner plus owning 392 (as well as having owned a Blue Streak back in the day) gives me confidence in such a metal.
As silly as it sounds, a red receiver combined with a Muddy-Girl Pink-Camo CCS 2400KT with the 14.6" LW barrel would make a slick gift for a girl or woman looking to explore relatively cheap and very accurate repeater-based plinking. Add in a HiPac and shazam, whole new ballgame.
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I have nothing against the integrity of brass, Mr. Peter, having airguns that are embellished with it, but I truly despise keeping their shine, especially the bolt, which needs disassembly.
Brass looks good and classical though if not for their inherent weakness in tarnishing so easily.
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I just got a custom 1322 from Alchemy Air Werks with an 18" Crosman barrel. David there crowned it before sending. I don't have much experience with it yet, but I've been shooting dime-size groups at 15 yards, and I can see in the scope that that's how much I'm shaking. I'm anxious to see how much tighter it gets after I get a shooting bag so I can eliminate most of the shaking and find out what the gun is really capable of. FWIW, I'm using the 18.13gr JSB Exact Jumbo Heavys.
Be sure to try some more flavors of pellets. I'm certain those Alchemy-prepped barrels are better than my nearly-bone-stock Crosman barrel :) Like you, I have a bit of the shakes. These lightweight carbines add fuel to the shaky-fire. I've been thinking about asking David about making a heavier LDC to help stabilize the pointy end.
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That gun doesn't have the balance the 18" barrel lends my 2400KT, but when I bench it it's a laser.
I don't think I shake any more than I did 40 or 50 years ago (unless I've had a lot of caffeine), but I've never had the luxury of shooting from a bench with one of those frames. (I don't know what they're called. [Edit: rifle rest, or shooting rest.]) I do have the shooting bags now, so we'll see what happens the next time I shoot. I'm waiting for scope rings to arrive to mount my new Hawke Vantage 4x32 AO mil-dot scope. It would be rather futile to spend more time with the original $20 NcSTAR 4x20 scope since I'll be removing it soon. I've always been very impressed with these people who can shoot an aspirin tablet off the top of a balloon at 25 yards or similar distance, off hand, without popping the balloon!
The scope rings arrived and I was able to mount the new Hawke scope and get it sighted in. Wow, what a beautiful, bright, clear view! And it's the first time I could see the pellets fly, and very clearly too. It didn't improve how still I can hold it of course, and neither did the shooting bags, so maybe the next step for getting really accurate trajectory data is to go to a range where they have proper shooting tables. My final 5-shot group today at 15 yards with the 1322 carbine with 18" Crosman barrel is shown below. I don't know how people hold it still enough to get groups like that at 50 or 100 yards, unless maybe it's with a steel shooting rest. That's not something you can use hunting though, unless we can live outside of town and hunt off the back porch, which I hope to do in the future, eliminating the pests that damage our large food gardens.
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That's not bad shooting at all- good enough for vermin/pests, no doubt.
Tight groups at longer ranges are definitely easier for me with a heavier gun that has a great trigger. Ergonomics as you snug up to your shoulder and how your hands feel can play a role. I know if I've been blowing leaves or running a sander, my groups are only good enough for plinking, not pesting or punching paper.