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Title: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Struckat on October 21, 2022, 11:48:37 PM
I see AOA has this in 177 and 22. It’s a gas ram and looks really nice. Anyone know more about them?

177 says 1000 FPS, ok, but the 22 says 12 fpe. Not sure they have the numbers right.
They don’t use the word Magnum. Are the triggers any good?
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Acapulco on October 22, 2022, 12:17:20 AM
It's sporting fiber optic sights and badging that is laser etched...etc.

That's not my style.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: two4spooky on October 22, 2022, 12:42:43 AM
Yeah, I am curious too. AOA's ad state's "barrel along with the entire BSA Meteor Super are proudly Made in England". UK quality with a hammer forged barrel has my attention. A quality trigger with a metal blade might be enough for me to bite. But all I see on the .net is an older vintage model with a similar name. At $450 I would like to see a hands on review before I try it out. 
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Struckat on October 22, 2022, 12:56:32 AM
I am interested for sure, I would like to hear more about them.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on October 22, 2022, 02:01:25 AM
The new Super Meteor barrel pivot looks well improved over the Supersport/Lightning SE.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: MartyMcFly on October 24, 2022, 09:10:14 AM
Hardair has an article on it. Says it’s 12 FPE, not necessarily a bad thing if it’s a pleasure to shoot.

https://hardairmagazine.com/news/new-bsa-meteor-super-break-barrel-air-rifle-available/

-Marty
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Toxylon on October 24, 2022, 12:12:00 PM
500 bucks for a Meteor seems kinda steep, when you can get an excellent Cometa 400 for little over half that.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: c_m_shooter on October 24, 2022, 03:21:24 PM
A factory gas ram at 12 ft lbs sounds like a great option.   Maybe I'll work some overtime and order one.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on October 24, 2022, 03:48:08 PM
The Meteor Super looks to have the same Gamo SAT-based trigger as the Supersport/Lightning SEs.

I'm certain the Meteor Super will be a joy to shoot at its size and power level. I'd love to own one.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: lefteyeshot on October 25, 2022, 08:28:16 AM
If it has the same trigger as a Super Sport made in Spain, My .177 springer Super Sport has a GRT trigger.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on October 25, 2022, 10:56:45 AM
If it has the same trigger as a Super Sport made in Spain, My .177 springer Super Sport has a GRT trigger.

Tim, do you mean a Charliedatuna GRT-4G trigger? Were you able to keep the safety mechanism functioning?
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: c_m_shooter on October 25, 2022, 11:39:29 AM
I see nothing about this on BSA's website.  Is this a BSA, Cometa or GAMO?   I see bits and peices from each on it.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on October 25, 2022, 11:48:36 AM
I see nothing about this on BSA's website.  Is this a BSA, Cometa or GAMO?   I see bits and peices from each on it.
Gamo owns BSA, or did last I knew. What do you see from Cometa?
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Mark 611 on October 25, 2022, 05:40:41 PM
I would be highly suspect if this rifle was made in the U.K. Gamo has marketed the BSA's before with claims of being made in England, maybe a few parts were made there? like the barrels??? I had purchased a few of these rifles with MADE in England on them in the past few yrs labeled BSA and they were not English quality BSA guns made in England, I would totally confirm from BSA about these rifles before I would purchase 1 again JMO ::)
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: lefteyeshot on October 26, 2022, 12:22:46 AM
If it has the same trigger as a Super Sport made in Spain, My .177 springer Super Sport has a GRT trigger.

Tim, do you mean a Charliedatuna GRT-4G trigger? Were you able to keep the safety mechanism functioning?

I'm not sure which model trigger it is. Been a long time, but it's a Charlie Tuna trigger. No the safety doesn't work auto or manual. Ole' Tom Cat installed it for me. I remember his comment, "Classic Gamo trigger". And he is the Gamo guru.

It's a BSA Supersport SE .177 springer. Got it off Amazon a few years ago for $125. On the barrel it has BSA Guns UK LMT England and on the receiver it has you can get a free manual from BSA UK LMT England. But no where does it say made in England or Spain but I know it was made in Spain by Gamo.

This new Meteor trigger and trigger guard outwardly look identical to the one on my SS SE. I guessing it's also made by Gamo. They need a pic of Made in England on it if it is. In the AoA ad it says the barrel and entire gun is made in England.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Toxylon on October 26, 2022, 10:41:13 AM
I'd be very surprised if the entire gun is made in England. Gamo has had guns with 'Made in England 'stamped on the barrel for a long time, even when the guns apart from the barrels are made in Spain, to lax Gamo standards.

With the Hurricane 1250's, the last guns actually made in the UK date to around 2006. After that, the 1250's still read 'Made in England' on the barrels, but they are nowhere near the quality of the Birmingham guns. I know, since I have both.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on October 26, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
I bet Gamo sends the action components to Birmingham where they are assembled with the UK barrels so they can have that "Made in Birmingham England" etching.

I like my Gamo-based Supersport SEs as much or more than my old UK Supersport. The SEs certainly shoot as well or better. I bought 3 new SEs from Amazon and the most I paid was $172 for a .25 GRT. So it's hard to make that leap to $490 to my door for the Meteor Super with same trigger, same sights, similar wood quality, the cheap looking plastic receiver endcap...

I think the Meteor Super was supposed to come to market at a much lower price in line with previous BSA offerings, but unpredictable economic forces caused the costs to increase beyond its HW and Diana competitors.  Despite the high cost, I still really want one of these and will probably eventually cave. It's just the sort of new springer I've been wishing for for years and I feel like it's my duty as a good airgun citizen and buy it. Hopefully the price will come down and I can feel better about it.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Denby95 on October 27, 2022, 05:42:51 PM
I just saw this like the rest of you and my first question was where can I buy this besides AoA? Is there a 'krale' for BSA guns? AOA has always been extremely slow to ship and often their prices are not that great so I'd rather purchase from elsewhere.

Also parts availability (namely the gas ram) comes to mind?

Looks like an interesting rifle, but is not even listed on BSA's website, perhaps this is specifically an export model thing but that would be odd due to it being at 12 FPE.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: lefteyeshot on October 27, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
Yes, AoA are slow to ship but they usu. pact it well. They are high but now and then they have some deals. Years ago I bought a Hatsan made Webley .177 springer Tomahawk from them, if memory serves, for like $125 and if you bought it they sold you a Hawk scope that usu. sold for like $150 for $35. I had them mount the scope (it was crooked) and they shipped in a big box with cut out foam. Nice box, still got it. If I remember right they don't do free shipping.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Denby95 on October 27, 2022, 06:56:10 PM
Where do you all think the price will settle on this? I can't see myself paying 450 for it. Perhaps 300? If it's got Gamo internals or a gamo gas piston, perhaps 150-200 is more appropriate when they fail to sell and get clearanced out? Kinda like that RWS 3400 that AOA has for 150.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on October 27, 2022, 07:28:08 PM
Where do you all think the price will settle on this? I can't see myself paying 450 for it. Perhaps 300? If it's got Gamo internals or a gamo gas piston, perhaps 150-200 is more appropriate when they fail to sell and get clearanced out? Kinda like that RWS 3400 that AOA has for 150.

Thats why I think it must have been designed with a lower target price than what we're seeing now. It's more or less at an RWS3400/Terrus quality level but at above HW prices, and I don't think BSA and AoA would have planned that on purpose.

If my SEs are any indication, this gun will shoot excellent, and it's right in the sweet spot for size, power, and pleasant shooting which is so rare and refreshing in the modern market. The uniqueness of having a gas ram with threaded BSA barrel set it apart from the HW50 and other midsized guns. But the downsides are the cheapish trigger, sights, plastic receiver cap, etching, etc.

If it were $350 shipped, or maybe even a little more, I would have bought it immediately and overlooked its imperfections. But for almost $500 to my door, every cost cutting measure will make me a little nauseous. So I've been checking the AoA site frequently for a price drop... I hope they have room to come down and still make a profit.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: lefteyeshot on October 27, 2022, 11:24:47 PM
AoA will run a special on them sooner or latter.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: c_m_shooter on November 23, 2022, 03:48:58 PM
If anyone was on the fence, AOA has this on their Black Friday sale.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on November 23, 2022, 05:13:07 PM
Now that's more like it!
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: rufus80 on November 24, 2022, 07:59:53 AM
On AOA's  website there is a price drop, now only $299.99.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Denby95 on November 24, 2022, 03:16:19 PM
So at the 299.99 price point, and after shipping, it's about equivalent to the price of an HW50 from Krale, and both are roughly 12 ft lb guns.

I wonder how the quality compares between the two?
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Acapulco on November 24, 2022, 05:04:41 PM
I might stop by tomorrow...but im a tough critic.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on November 24, 2022, 09:44:28 PM
... it's about equivalent to the price of an HW50 from Krale, and both are roughly 12 ft lb guns.

I wonder how the quality compares between the two?
I'll find out firsthand on Christmas day.
I have a good amount of experience with modern HWs and BSAs, and I don't expect the BSA to beat the HW in trigger or sights, but I do expect it to match up in performance and fun. I love 12 fpe break barrels and the Meteor Super looks like a winner to me (with a little trigger work.)  I can't wait until Christmas!
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Denby95 on November 24, 2022, 11:19:26 PM
Looking forward to you sharing some pics of it when Santa drops it off!

I still find it odd that BSA's own website has no listing of the gun.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Acapulco on November 26, 2022, 04:40:28 PM
Went and shouldered the bsa today...here are my thoughts.

Lightweight
Quality reminds me of a 34 or 3400
Dont like cut on the new stocks...front end heavy.
Butt pad rounded..nice
Might make a nice walk around hunter




 






Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Razor62 on December 01, 2022, 02:33:48 PM
If anyone's interested...A good friend just ordered a Meteor Super from AOA at the $299. price. He's having it sent directly to me for me to evaluate for a video on my channel. I should receive the rifle next week and a video review up on my channel shortly after Christmas. Looking forward to putting it through its paces.
Channel Link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4PVmNMmbpGfDbf3QD4WR3w (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4PVmNMmbpGfDbf3QD4WR3w)
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Denby95 on December 02, 2022, 03:34:39 PM
I see AOA up'd the price to 350. Least temporarily.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: RedFeather on December 02, 2022, 04:33:49 PM
It will be fun to see how this new springer fares. The latest guns (Walthers, FWB Sport, SIG and 3400, basically Walther) failed to make it to the finish line. It's tough going trying to sell a new quality gun these days.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: uglymike on December 05, 2022, 07:04:56 AM
It will be fun to see how this new springer fares. The latest guns (Walthers, FWB Sport, SIG and 3400, basically Walther) failed to make it to the finish line. It's tough going trying to sell a new quality gun these days.

PCPs being all the rage, a new springer on the market is facing an uphill battle from the start. Lots of nice PCPs for that kind of $$. Less than a stellar trigger is a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on December 27, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
Uglymike asked for trigger pics in the Bargain Gate to figure out if the CDT trigger would work on this gun. I think this is a better thread to post it on.
I took the stock off and verified it is the same modified Gamo SAT fake 2-stage trigger as the Supersport/Lightning SE guns. The blade is modified for the BSA style side safety so the corresponding CDT Gamo SAT blade will fit, but the safety will not work. The trigger out of the box is OK-  not too heavy but it does have a little "2nd stage" creep that could be removed with a longer adjustment screw at the expense of sear engagement.
So far, my impressions of the gun are:
The stock has a high comb for scoped use and is not comfortable with the included iron sights. I like how the BSA rear sight has extra leaf adjustment in case the main elevation wheel is not enough.
The cocking effort is pretty stiff for 12fpe- heavier than the HW95 or HW50, but the shot cycle is really nice- it has enough pop to be exciting but it is not overly jumpy. AoA included a 5 shot chrony string of 14.0 grain Meisterkugeln around 630 fps SD 2. I like the quick and twangless gas ram.
The barrel pivot is basically a nut and bolt that relies on loctite to keep it from loosening over time- I adjusted it, but now it won't stay put until I thread lock it again.
Accuracy is about what we've seen on the videos- not really impressive, but I hope it breaks in over time to give better results. I've had good to great accuracy from other BSA springers, and I've had more expensive guns perform poorly out of the box but get better over time, so I'll let this one break in before I pass judgement.
Attached are the trigger pics Mike asked for.
Have fun!
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Razor62 on December 27, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
I reviewed this rifle for my YouTube channel. Video is due to be released on Jan 14th. My impressions:
 Nice lightweight gun. (6.3lbs). Comb of the stock is too high to be compatible with the open sights provided. Gas ram provides a nice shot cycle. 11.8 ft lbs with Crosman Premier HPs. Gamo trigger and it's everything that you'd expect. (not at all impressed with the trigger.) Best I could do with it was 3/4" at 25 yards with H&N Sport pellets but that's with an unbroken-in rifle. Stock design is a matter of taste. I kinda' like it. Checkering is laser etched and quite sharp. Lots of cheap, plastic parts. The gun was sent to me for review and I sent it off to it's owner once the review was finished. He fired about 400 shots and the piston seal failed. (may have been damaged during assembly. There was a slice in the edge of the seal) Gun began to diesel badly and the power dropped off to about 8.5 ft lbs. Good news, a TX200 piston seal is a perfect fit.
Overall, I feel as though this gun is overpriced even at the $300 price point. I was thinking about buying one but after having my hands on it, I'll take a pass. To bad. Like so many other good brand names, BSA teamed up with a company that cheapened their reputation and cut corners on quality.
 
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: uglymike on December 28, 2022, 09:25:40 AM
Uglymike asked for trigger pics in the Bargain Gate to figure out if the CDT trigger would work on this gun. I think this is a better thread to post it on.
I took the stock off and verified it is the same modified Gamo SAT fake 2-stage trigger as the Supersport/Lightning SE guns. The blade is modified for the BSA style side safety so the corresponding CDT Gamo SAT blade will fit, but the safety will not work. The trigger out of the box is OK-  not too heavy but it does have a little "2nd stage" creep that could be removed with a longer adjustment screw at the expense of sear engagement.
So far, my impressions of the gun are:
The stock has a high comb for scoped use and is not comfortable with the included iron sights. I like how the BSA rear sight has extra leaf adjustment in case the main elevation wheel is not enough.
The cocking effort is pretty stiff for 12fpe- heavier than the HW95 or HW50, but the shot cycle is really nice- it has enough pop to be exciting but it is not overly jumpy. AoA included a 5 shot chrony string of 14.0 grain Meisterkugeln around 630 fps SD 2. I like the quick and twangless gas ram.
The barrel pivot is basically a nut and bolt that relies on loctite to keep it from loosening over time- I adjusted it, but now it won't stay put until I thread lock it again.
Accuracy is about what we've seen on the videos- not really impressive, but I hope it breaks in over time to give better results. I've had good to great accuracy from other BSA springers, and I've had more expensive guns perform poorly out of the box but get better over time, so I'll let this one break in before I pass judgement.
Attached are the trigger pics Mike asked for.
Have fun!

thank you sir
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: waterman on December 31, 2022, 01:16:40 AM
Had mine for a week at 20 yds 5 shot groups touch with cp 10gr pellet boxed. it didn;t look good with jsb 8.44s and some lighter pellets but then the 10 gr grouped great.. way less than dime size. I know it is fast but I have not cronyed it yet. Stock is very nice similar to the ultra. I think I like it. it is not a hw.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Denby95 on January 10, 2023, 12:12:36 PM
Krale has this BSA GRT Meteor EVO with gas ram and a full FAC rifle for 120 bucks. For those who decide they're interested in the AOA gun this looks like the same thing. AOA is way out of whack with that 300 dollar price point.

https://www.krale.shop/us/bsa-grt-meteor-evo/ (https://www.krale.shop/us/bsa-grt-meteor-evo/)


This unit as well that has some built in suppressor.

https://www.krale.shop/us/bsa-grt-meteor-evo-silentium/ (https://www.krale.shop/us/bsa-grt-meteor-evo-silentium/)

Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on January 10, 2023, 01:32:48 PM
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Krale has this BSA GRT Meteor EVO with gas ram and a full FAC rifle for 120 bucks. For those who decide they're interested in the AOA gun this looks like the same thing....

The Evos seem decent, but beware they have a plastic breech block

I've shot my .22 Meteor Super more and got some decent groups with RWS pellets.
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Denby95 on January 25, 2023, 04:05:55 PM
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Krale has this BSA GRT Meteor EVO with gas ram and a full FAC rifle for 120 bucks. For those who decide they're interested in the AOA gun this looks like the same thing....

The Evos seem decent, but beware they have a plastic breech block

I've shot my .22 Meteor Super more and got some decent groups with RWS pellets.

The breech block as in where the barrel is fitted ? That appears to be steel.. or perhaps you are referring to the end cap of the receiver that holds in the spring ? That was confirmed as also being of steel by a user who purchased one.

I'm quite curious what the differences between the Meteor Super and Meteor Evo are because they seem like the same rifle except the Evos are FAC, Supers from AOA are 12ft/lbs. The marketing both says they have cold forged barrels (But are both made in the UK?). Same stock, both gas rams..
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: DanD on January 26, 2023, 12:14:20 AM
Hi Denby. I must have been mistaken about the Evo having a plastic breech block (barrel pivot area.)  I don't see references to cold forged barrels on Krale's Evo pages. I do see bsaguns.co.uk claims the Evos have BSA-made barrels (although Alsky's pics seem to contradict that) but doesn't mention forging.

Here are Alsky's Evo pics:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=205488.msg156410957#msg156410957 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=205488.msg156410957#msg156410957)
You can see his barrel says 'made "for" BSA' not "by" BSA (which doesn't necessarily make it a bad barrel)  and his gun is marked made in EU.

Here's some pics of my Meteor Super with barrel stampings that match my older UK BSAs. The action is etched "made in Birmingham." You can see the difference in breech construction also.

All that said, I might actually prefer a 16 joule Evo over the Super due to the Evo's shorter 38.5" oal now that i know it doesn't have a plastic breech,  but I'm not as interested in the 24 j version.

Have fun!

Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: norris on February 13, 2023, 01:28:33 PM
Uglymike asked for trigger pics in the Bargain Gate to figure out if the CDT trigger would work on this gun. I think this is a better thread to post it on.
I took the stock off and verified it is the same modified Gamo SAT fake 2-stage trigger as the Supersport/Lightning SE guns. The blade is modified for the BSA style side safety so the corresponding CDT Gamo SAT blade will fit, but the safety will not work. The trigger out of the box is OK-  not too heavy but it does have a little "2nd stage" creep that could be removed with a longer adjustment screw at the expense of sear engagement.
So far, my impressions of the gun are:
The stock has a high comb for scoped use and is not comfortable with the included iron sights. I like how the BSA rear sight has extra leaf adjustment in case the main elevation wheel is not enough.
The cocking effort is pretty stiff for 12fpe- heavier than the HW95 or HW50, but the shot cycle is really nice- it has enough pop to be exciting but it is not overly jumpy. AoA included a 5 shot chrony string of 14.0 grain Meisterkugeln around 630 fps SD 2. I like the quick and twangless gas ram.
The barrel pivot is basically a nut and bolt that relies on loctite to keep it from loosening over time- I adjusted it, but now it won't stay put until I thread lock it again.
Accuracy is about what we've seen on the videos- not really impressive, but I hope it breaks in over time to give better results. I've had good to great accuracy from other BSA springers, and I've had more expensive guns perform poorly out of the box but get better over time, so I'll let this one break in before I pass judgement.
Attached are the trigger pics Mike asked for.
Have fun!

thank you sir
Did you use it straight from the box without cleaning the barrel?
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: norris on February 13, 2023, 01:45:01 PM
Isn't Gamo owned by an  American investment company,Bruckmann, Rosser, Sherill & Co?
Unfortunatey companies get taken over, stripped of assets,production moved to were labour is cheap resulting in lower quality and poorer products.Yet their products are sold on the original company's historic past and quality.
There are three Gamo triggers that I know of (standard,SAT,CAT) basically similar but which one is the better version and how can it be improved(apart from the screw fix) other that putting it in the bin?
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: Razor62 on February 13, 2023, 04:18:11 PM
Here's my review on the BSA Meteor Super. https://youtu.be/V3D5tL48wYw
Title: Re: New BSA Meteor Super
Post by: norris on February 26, 2023, 08:25:01 AM
Quote from: Razor62
Here's my review on the BSA Meteor Super


How does it compare to the Gamo Varmint?
How about having another Meteor Super and seeing what if you can improve on it?
With Lightning some people replace the trigger with a SAT unit, would a CAT unit be a better option?