Quote from: Simon Jenko on June 07, 2016, 06:52:57 PMYes, all three. I thought ill have to adjust indexing mechanism, but i spoke with a friend and we made conclusion that Hatsan is just enough sloppy made it wont have an effect on indexing, it still works. Also i didnt make a big taper like on the original probe, just slight and it works with .177 10 rounds, as .25 only has 9.Good to know. Interesting, though, that I had earlier asked HatsanUSA about that, as I thought it would be a great feature if possible, like you can do with a Marauder, but they said it couldn't be done because the rifle states the caliber on the receiver.What did they charge you for a barrel, if you don't mind saying?
Yes, all three. I thought ill have to adjust indexing mechanism, but i spoke with a friend and we made conclusion that Hatsan is just enough sloppy made it wont have an effect on indexing, it still works. Also i didnt make a big taper like on the original probe, just slight and it works with .177 10 rounds, as .25 only has 9.
Quote from: GoneShootn on June 07, 2016, 09:34:31 PMQuote from: Simon Jenko on June 07, 2016, 06:52:57 PMYes, all three. I thought ill have to adjust indexing mechanism, but i spoke with a friend and we made conclusion that Hatsan is just enough sloppy made it wont have an effect on indexing, it still works. Also i didnt make a big taper like on the original probe, just slight and it works with .177 10 rounds, as .25 only has 9.Good to know. Interesting, though, that I had earlier asked HatsanUSA about that, as I thought it would be a great feature if possible, like you can do with a Marauder, but they said it couldn't be done because the rifle states the caliber on the receiver.What did they charge you for a barrel, if you don't mind saying?Well it makes sense. If the information for the gun is on the receiver, but they change the caliber then there could definitely be some problems on their end. Between confusing returns and voiding warranties and whatnot, it would save the manufacturer a lot of time and effort to just say they don't "allow" or "condone" that or something.
I think the barrels run about $100-110 here in the states, fyi
Quote from: Rallyshark on June 08, 2016, 06:49:06 AMI think the barrels run about $100-110 here in the states, fyi Thanks. That's what I thought. Right now, though, it's looking a bit hard to justify spending more $ on these rifles. At this point, I'm thinking that I need to either keep the rifles, reconciling myself that they are no more than 30 yard rifles and never will be, or sell them for whatever I can get and save that toward a better PCP, maybe an FX or a Daystate. It was a nice, if expensive, experiment, but, unfortunately, not all experiments are successes.
Quote from: GoneShootn on June 10, 2016, 07:58:32 PMQuote from: Rallyshark on June 08, 2016, 06:49:06 AMI think the barrels run about $100-110 here in the states, fyi Thanks. That's what I thought. Right now, though, it's looking a bit hard to justify spending more $ on these rifles. At this point, I'm thinking that I need to either keep the rifles, reconciling myself that they are no more than 30 yard rifles and never will be, or sell them for whatever I can get and save that toward a better PCP, maybe an FX or a Daystate. It was a nice, if expensive, experiment, but, unfortunately, not all experiments are successes.(edit: This thread kind of morphed into a discussion of the POI drift problem on my .25 Long. To see the (apparent) solution, go to page 4 of this thread.)I going to disagree with the statement about these being no more than 30 yard guns. Unfortunately, you happened to get some sketchy examples. I, and others who I shoot with, have them and they are much more than that. We regularly shoot targets at 80-100 yards etc. Last time we went shooting, we were shooting the little K-cups (the little ones for the Kuering coffee maker) at 80-100 yards, and were shooting cans out to 120-130 yards. I didn't try to shoot groups at that distance, but to hit basically a 2" target at that distance ain't bad. The longest I shot groups at was 50 yards and they dime sized for a 5 shot group. All distances were measured by a laser range finder, so its not me guessing the distance You may want to try and reach out to Bwalton on this. He is a Hatsan Guru, and I'm sure you may have seen some of his many videos dropping ground squirrels at 100+ yards with these guns. It may be worth a shot to send one of them to him, and see if he can get it straight? One thing is for sure, if he works on the gun and says its good, then it will be a tack driver. On the other hand, I totally understand if you just want to give up on them too. I went down that road with a .22 Synrod, so I completely get it if you just want to be done with the Hatsans. I don't know if you are lucky or what to end up with two bad examples, but I'd say that is pretty odd. I've shot at least 4 other Hatsans, besides mine, and they were all lights out shooters. If you are determined to be done, I would consider a BSA as well. They are great shooters. I got the chance to shoot a couple of Crickets too, and they are very nice, especially if you can find one in the classifieds for a good price.
Quote from: Rallyshark on June 10, 2016, 09:49:07 PMQuote from: GoneShootn on June 10, 2016, 07:58:32 PMQuote from: Rallyshark on June 08, 2016, 06:49:06 AMI think the barrels run about $100-110 here in the states, fyi Thanks. That's what I thought. Right now, though, it's looking a bit hard to justify spending more $ on these rifles. At this point, I'm thinking that I need to either keep the rifles, reconciling myself that they are no more than 30 yard rifles and never will be, or sell them for whatever I can get and save that toward a better PCP, maybe an FX or a Daystate. It was a nice, if expensive, experiment, but, unfortunately, not all experiments are successes.I going to disagree with the statement about these being no more than 30 yard guns. Unfortunately, you happened to get some sketchy examples. I, and others who I shoot with, have them and they are much more than that. We regularly shoot targets at 80-100 yards etc. Last time we went shooting, we were shooting the little K-cups (the little ones for the Kuering coffee maker) at 80-100 yards, and were shooting cans out to 120-130 yards. I didn't try to shoot groups at that distance, but to hit basically a 2" target at that distance ain't bad. The longest I shot groups at was 50 yards and they dime sized for a 5 shot group. All distances were measured by a laser range finder, so its not me guessing the distance You may want to try and reach out to Bwalton on this. He is a Hatsan Guru, and I'm sure you may have seen some of his many videos dropping ground squirrels at 100+ yards with these guns. It may be worth a shot to send one of them to him, and see if he can get it straight? One thing is for sure, if he works on the gun and says its good, then it will be a tack driver. On the other hand, I totally understand if you just want to give up on them too. I went down that road with a .22 Synrod, so I completely get it if you just want to be done with the Hatsans. I don't know if you are lucky or what to end up with two bad examples, but I'd say that is pretty odd. I've shot at least 4 other Hatsans, besides mine, and they were all lights out shooters. If you are determined to be done, I would consider a BSA as well. They are great shooters. I got the chance to shoot a couple of Crickets too, and they are very nice, especially if you can find one in the classifieds for a good price.When I said "these rifles", I just meant the two that I have. I bought them both just a month or two apart at from Field Supply on Amazon. I wonder if maybe they were selling seconds or if they just got a bad batch? Actually, though, the .25 Long that I have is a replacement from HatsanUSA, so that one didn't come from Field Supply, and that's the one for which the POI drifts so badly.As far as getting Baxter Walton to tune it/them, he has graciously offered to do the .25. I don't see how he could help the POI shift issue, though, although I'm not about to say that there is anything that he can't do with a Hatsan. The question, though, is do I want to have a rifle that must be tuned, usually at considerable expense, by another person in order to be accurate? I think the answer to that one is no.Here's another question, though - as far as the .25 goes, I might be able to tune it to get, maybe, 9 decent shots, but I don't think this is acceptable. What do you think? Or anyone else who may want to comment?
Quote from: GoneShootn on June 10, 2016, 07:58:32 PMQuote from: Rallyshark on June 08, 2016, 06:49:06 AMI think the barrels run about $100-110 here in the states, fyi Thanks. That's what I thought. Right now, though, it's looking a bit hard to justify spending more $ on these rifles. At this point, I'm thinking that I need to either keep the rifles, reconciling myself that they are no more than 30 yard rifles and never will be, or sell them for whatever I can get and save that toward a better PCP, maybe an FX or a Daystate. It was a nice, if expensive, experiment, but, unfortunately, not all experiments are successes.I going to disagree with the statement about these being no more than 30 yard guns. Unfortunately, you happened to get some sketchy examples. I, and others who I shoot with, have them and they are much more than that. We regularly shoot targets at 80-100 yards etc. Last time we went shooting, we were shooting the little K-cups (the little ones for the Kuering coffee maker) at 80-100 yards, and were shooting cans out to 120-130 yards. I didn't try to shoot groups at that distance, but to hit basically a 2" target at that distance ain't bad. The longest I shot groups at was 50 yards and they dime sized for a 5 shot group. All distances were measured by a laser range finder, so its not me guessing the distance You may want to try and reach out to Bwalton on this. He is a Hatsan Guru, and I'm sure you may have seen some of his many videos dropping ground squirrels at 100+ yards with these guns. It may be worth a shot to send one of them to him, and see if he can get it straight? One thing is for sure, if he works on the gun and says its good, then it will be a tack driver. On the other hand, I totally understand if you just want to give up on them too. I went down that road with a .22 Synrod, so I completely get it if you just want to be done with the Hatsans. I don't know if you are lucky or what to end up with two bad examples, but I'd say that is pretty odd. I've shot at least 4 other Hatsans, besides mine, and they were all lights out shooters. If you are determined to be done, I would consider a BSA as well. They are great shooters. I got the chance to shoot a couple of Crickets too, and they are very nice, especially if you can find one in the classifieds for a good price.
I agree with you completely, and I did recommend looking into BSA rifles if he is tired of trying to get his Hatsan right His problem now is that he spent the money on the guns, and won't be able to get much of it back if he sells them, since they are known "problem" guns. That is the main reason I suggested sending to Baxter, since he offered to take a look. I had one of those .22 Synrods, and it drove me up the wall, but I was able to get a full refund on it. Luckily, my Hatsan was pretty solid out of the box. All of the problems I've had were self inflicted,lol! I am a self admitted tinkerer, and I have to make everything "better"... I'd take apart a Cricket if I had one
I would be willing to bet you money that Bwalton can fix that POI shift. The fact that he is an awesome machinist won't hurt either. If he offers, take him up on it would be my advice. Nope, 9 shots is not at all acceptable! You should be able to get 15-20 all day long with no tuning. Have you asked him how much he would charge you? It probably isn't as bad as you'd think. Here's the thing, he may look at it and immediately see the problem that we wouldn't, since he has worked on so many of these guns. I don't necessarily think your rifle must be tuned per say, more so it just needs to be fixed. Much of what can be done to fix it probably wouldn't involve expensive parts, or major labor.
Dude, seriously, I don't know how you ended up with two guns not doing what they are supposed to!
If you're just looking at $$, you can very likely have your .25 shooting great for far less than you would spend getting a more expensive gun. You can take the money you've already spent buying it and add a little to it, and have a gun you know is right. Otherwise, you're going to lose much more $$ trying to sell it, because no one will want to buy a gun with known issues.
I can't remember if you said you chronographed the gun or not, but have you? I'm curious about what fps it was shooting while only getting 9 shots?
Either way, I vote to let Baxter take a crack at it. If he can't do anything with it, he'll tell you, and won't waste his time or your money on it. If we're speaking pure logic here, and what is most cost effective, that is the way to go. Like I said earlier though, I completely understand if you're just tired of dealing with it. I know you must be quite frustrated with it at this point.
Well, it really boils down to what you want to do. I don't really think you'd be wrong selling it or sending it to Baxter. It is totally up to you and what you feel comfortable with, so pick one and get it done
That group of one-shot targets has me wondering and agreeing with a previous post. It's the first 5 that are kind of screwy...shots 6-17 , if piled on top of each other, would be pretty decent. I'd think a really bad barrel wouldn't have a run of 12 good shots.
For the time being, just to check and for peace of mind, could try filling to about 300psi less and just shooting 10 or 12 shots. If those shots form a decent group, wouldn't spend too much time of $ on a barrel, but would look at what's going on mechanically.Wouldn't hurt to try the 27.8 Benjamins or the 30.6gr H&N's....yeah, they're slower than lighter pellets, but have grouped well for me.