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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Big Bore AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Kinetic45^ on January 15, 2019, 11:12:48 AM
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If you shoot much then the price of bullets becomes a concern and many BigBore shooters turn to casting.
Also, most shooters are always looking for better performance and because different guns have different likes and dislikes on sizing and weights casting allows us to find what shoots best.
So do YOU know where the Cast Bullets Gate is on GTA?
I already know but it took a search to find it and I think most people might not.
Big bore air rifles have existed for centuries but most were custom made for years so numbers were limited and perhaps it made sense when the GTA site was designed years ago to put it where it is
But now times have changed and lots more factory guns and options are out there and more shooters who, like I mentioned above will be casting.
So I am proposing that the GTA administrators MOVE the bullet casting section from it's hiding place and put it in the Darkside beside The BigBore Gate.
Opinions? Considerations? Agreement?
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Bullet & Pellet Casting Link > https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229.0)
It was put in the "Machine Shop Talk & AG Parts Machining" area, at it's inception, as a starting place to launch the topic.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Still haven't figured just why it is in machine shop. GRRRRRR!!!
Knife
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Why not just change the main title to:
Machine Shop/AG Parts Machining/Boolit & Pellet Casting, and keep it were it's at now.
That title should provide info of what's available in this section.
If the looker/searcher is curious, there is the info etc.
That's my humble opinion, but I am a newbe here, to GTA. ;)
Tia,
Don
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Thanks Carl! I was wondering where it was. I searched briefly awhile back and didn't find it. It would seem to fit better over on the darkside somewhere in my thinking.
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I didn't pay any mind to it until I had one of my threads moved there. Now that I know where it is and see that it actually gets traffic, it isn't a problem. But as far as others knowing about it, I can't say.
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I think it's fine where it is....
Bob
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I think it's good where it is.
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Would the people who think it's fine where it is please explain why?
I gave the arguments for why I think it is misplaced, what is your rebuttal?
I want the site to be easier to use for new members (and long time too, haha) and be logically and rationally organized.
Honestly, I fail to see where bullet casting is a machine shop activity?
Who knew casting was the "Red headed stepchild" of airgunning ;D
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Wow. Had to go there, huh?. ;) ;D
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It's fine, "IF", an member "Knows" where to find it. For someone coming here new, or from another forum, it is camouflaged. LOL ;D
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Why not just change the main title to:
Machine Shop/AG Parts Machining/Boolit & Pellet Casting, and keep it were it's at now.
That title should provide info of what's available in this section.
If the looker/searcher is curious, there is the info etc.
That's my humble opinion, but I am a newbe here, to GTA. ;)
Tia,
Don
Excellent Idea.... Don. That would make it much easier to find, for those members who are interested in this topic.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Why not just change the main title to:
Machine Shop/AG Parts Machining/Boolit & Pellet Casting, and keep it were it's at now.
That title should provide info of what's available in this section.
If the looker/searcher is curious, there is the info etc.
That's my humble opinion, but I am a newbe here, to GTA. ;)
Tia,
Don
Folks, we have a true thinker amongst us. ;) Hopefully there's enough character spaces to allow this. Sounds like a great compromise.
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I did not know you even had one.
Roachcreek
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I also think that it's fine where it's at.
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So do those who think cast bullets belongs under machine work actually cast?
What is the logic here???
I really would like to hear an explanation of why it is better where it's at vs moving it to where many more people could see it and use it. Yes it may get some traffic where it's at but I'd bet it would get a lot more if moved.
If it's cost, I'll contribute $150 which should cover the code changes by the site manager
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I think Lani52 said it best. He is a longtime caster, and one of the pioneers in Big Bore shooting.
"I didn't even know you had one"
RoachCreek.
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I thought it was kind of, let's say odd, to put it where it is located....but it's not my house....LOL
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Yes I know were the bullet casting gate is and I am fine with it were it is. And yes I do cast. Not really sure putting it anywhere else would work. Maybe the dark side? Although there is no reason you can not shoot cast pellets in .22 or .25 in a powerful spring piston gun or a multi pump. So then people may want it moved from the dark side. Were it is seems like a good compromise.
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Almost all people who cast shoot PCPs, most of them bigbores. The logical place would be where the PCP and bigbore discussions are. Now I need browse up and down to reach that gate and to see if there are new messages, if it was in PCP gate I could check it at a glance while visiting the PCP gate.
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Machining is a completely different thing than casting, we are not talking about machining molds now are we?
How many of you have been turning bullets in a lathe raise your hand?
Bigbores and casting should go hand in hand.
Cast bullet shooters most of them anyway.
Marko
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Marko I think there some that have modified their molds in the forum but more than likely on a mill if anything.
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How many of you have been turning bullets in a lathe raise your hand?
Aye aye, sir. I know I am strange. ;D
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You all do realize that the search function works, right?
Should I look for stock making information in the springer gates?
The "Making" gates need to be separated from the "Shooting" gates if for no other reason than to keep both areas from becoming so cluttered that you can't find anything.
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Well for me it seems more logical to have the bullet casting right where you need them, in the bigbore gate.
It's like "Oh a bigbore airgun I wonder what they shoot, and there you have sticky that says bullet casting"
And no searching needed for machining related stuff what casting is not.
Just my 2C
Marko
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You all do realize that the search function works, right?
Should I look for stock making information in the springer gates?
The "Making" gates need to be separated from the "Shooting" gates if for no other reason than to keep both areas from becoming so cluttered that you can't find anything.
I actually have a little agreement there on the clutter issue but making PARTS for air guns is not the same as projectiles making which is the entire FUNCTION of air guns.
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I have no problem with moving it.... but the idea of putting all the posts together in one "Sticky" in the Big Bore Gate is, IMO, a non-starter.... Casting needs to have a separate gate (or child gate), so that multiple threads, on different topics, are possible, as they are now.... Can you imagine all the posts in the current gate lumped into one sticky?.... You would never find anything....
Perhaps creating another Child Gate in the PCP "Darkside" Gate is the best idea.... similar to the Big Bore, Korean and Support Equipment Child Gates now there.... then move everything over to that.... While we're at it, can we spell BULLETS correctly, please.... or just drop that and say Casting, because there are now moulds to cast pellets as well.... ::)
Bob
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Just do a search for "bullet casting". You'll get a lot of different gates to weed through. The machine shop comes in at #17 on the list for me. A lot to weed through just to finally find the actual one.
It's fine if the frequent members already know where to go, but saying "it's fine where it is ' doesn't seem like they are thinking it all the way through, or thinking of others like newcomers to the forum. The machine shop gate doesn't seem like the first place to look for bullet casting IMHO.
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Me I think Boolits is fine... and as a child gate of big bore does make sense to me... but am happy there is a casting gate at all.. ;)
Boolits is a term I first heard in the late 80's early 90?... maybe it was in Shotgun News which has/had been around a good while...
was always under the impression it was a term used to notate non commercial cast bare lead projectiles...Thought it was a term coined by SASS folks...plus it does in a small way honor the contribution of the members that have shared and debated on the cast boolit forum...it is a valuable resource for those seeking info to help cut the learning curve down a bit...
in my mind it is all sitting in a wildcatters lounge.. ;)
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Notice over at AGN they list a Pellets n Projectiles section... that covers a lot.
"Pellets, Bullets and Projectiles" with casting included in that?
Which brings up the arrow guns that are showing up, personally not interested but do they get a child gate eventually?
I see where that leads to fragmentation though.
Note that making and modifications to molds IS MACHINING and should stay where it is.
Casting pellets and slugs is shooting and is fairly different.
Why could you not have a "Go To" link at the top of a Gate or child gate to go to an associate section. IE: Your in the casting section and want to see about doing mold modifications, just click on the link to the machine shop/molds section without having to navigate through several gates.
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The machine shop is for "Metal Working" mainly. Casting IS metal working just like welding is metal working! IMHO!
I cast for ALL bores of guns, small to large.
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The machine shop is for "Metal Working" mainly. Casting IS metal working just like welding is metal working! IMHO!
I cast for ALL bores of guns, small to large.
Yes, swaging and casting bullets/pellets can be thought of as metal working.
But I'd be willing to bet 90% of people would not instantly think of it that way in terms of shooting.
I origionally proposed it become a child gate of the Darkside because of more traffic by users of cast pellets and bullets from .22 on up being able to easily utilize it's resources of communication and sharing experience. That's why not suggesting it being in Big Bore.
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I see dark side child gate would be perfect for casting, including boolits and molds. It is what we shoot. So why not here?
Of course it is also metal working but why it would be necessary to use search for it? IMO there is no good reason for "hiding" it.
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I see dark side child gate would be perfect for casting, including boolits and molds. It is what we shoot. So why not here?
Of course it is also metal working but why it would be necessary to use search for it? IMO there is no good reason for "hiding" it.
Indeed, people are now casting bullets in the .17-.25 range as well so that would be only logical.
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You all do realize that the search function works, right?
Should I look for stock making information in the springer gates?
The "Making" gates need to be separated from the "Shooting" gates if for no other reason than to keep both areas from becoming so cluttered that you can't find anything.
Terry, just HOW does someone who doesn't know we have a cast bullet section help . A LOT of people don't, as has already been explained.
Knife
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The machine shop is for "Metal Working" mainly. Casting IS metal working just like welding is metal working! IMHO!
I cast for ALL bores of guns, small to large.
No Sir, casting in not looked upon as metal working. Nor is it looked on as fabrication. A foundry is not looked on as metal working. These are entirely different fields. Just as a welder is a fabricator or repair man.
You are confusing tradesmen with craftsmen. Not in the same league or pay grade. A Machinist being one of the highest paid tradesmen, And Pipe Fitter being one of the highest tradesmen, He is a machinist or a Pipefitter. Neither are called metal workers in the crafts. Although a Machinist works with metals and other materials, a true metal worker is a for instance, Gold Smith. Silversmith. Black Smith, Bladesmith. Hence the Title Smith. Titles respected the world wide, and over the centuries.
I may stir up some concrete, but i'm not a construction engineer. I may build a house, but I'm no Home Maker. My wife is, and I don't' want that job! LOL Titles in the trades and Crafts have meaning, and their places. It seems simply that you are not fully aware of them or what they are. . ;)
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I used out search engine to find the actual poll. Nada! But I am old and blind.
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This thread has gotten plenty of views but not many votes.
I know there are a lot of casters because I've met them on other airguns sites.
I don't have any 'new' points, I thought the ones I made were valid, worthy and compelling and still apply.
There's plenty of discussion here about casting and molds, it's just scattered around like a shotgun blast instead of in a tight group, haha
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My recent purchase of a NOE pellet mold and flying blind about how to run it bespeaksof the fact it needs it’s separate gate.
Until I saw this thread I had no idea it existed.
For that matter, being disabled with low vision, your gates are too hard to read even with a magnifying glass, combine these two factors and it is as if you have hidden the bullet casting gate in the back 40.
Roachcreek
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Can someone please help this old man find how to vote on this?
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The poll does not show at the top of the/your page with the choices and a vote button?
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Old man?
What is a chid Tate?
Roachcreek
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Old man?
What is a chid Tate?
Roachcreek
? Huh?
Well, when my sons were toddlers these were their "Tate's".
http://www.mccainusafoodservice.com/Product/Detail/Ore-IdaTaterTots (http://www.mccainusafoodservice.com/Product/Detail/Ore-IdaTaterTots)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Although when I lived in Renton Washington they / the locals called them Mexi-fries????? (Not being racist, the store brand plastic bag they came in said that!)
Always glad to be helpful in the spirit of GTA 8)
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No Sir. The results are showing, but NO Vote button. GRRRRR!!!
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I looked at the poll setup and I don't see anything that would do that. The end date is still in the future so that's not the problem.
This is my first poll, do they shut down after a while (like a week) automatically?
Or does another person set or change what shows and not me?
Could I/we get this looked into or an answer by the Administrator or Moderator?
I wonder how many people would have voted to move the Bullets and Casting section but couldn't because of this.... ? ? ? ? ?
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A good detective examines all the possibilitys:
Question. Is this a standard feature I just missed?
Question: Or did I not set it up correctly?
Question: So I'm asking again, is it possible for someone else to turn off a poll? Someone who did not like the subject or results?
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Well, apparently it worked for a while, as some member did get to vote. :(
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Yes, which is why I suspect a glitch that a Moderator will have to fix. If one would respond to the requests....................................
But I also, throwing caution to the wind here, have wondered if some of the senior members don't like their boat rocked and this was never going to be considered anyway.
If true, sad and their loss.
I love PCP rifles as works of human ingenuity and art and feel excitement to see them evolving into something better. I enjoy being part of that evolution and enjoyed associating with the like minded people here. I like contributing to something bigger than one individual and feel that something like GTA is an organism, if it is not growing it's dying.
I love shooting and being in touch with my roots as a hunter as human males have done for hundreds of thousands of years. Very fulfilling.
But I never got along with the "This is the way we've always done it so it can't be changed" "It's policy" crowd and generally just move on like the Paleo hunter/gatherer hidden in a modern skin I am. Just saying there is always something interesting over the horizon and I like to go looking and don't look back.
FYI - This is me being irked
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Im looking at this right now it shows big bore gate and does have a poll at the top and a submit button what am I missing here gentlemen. the gate is a child gate of machine shop. https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=229) David
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We have over 15,000 members. This topic and poll has 37 votes. So, we should take that as a majority and move a gate by these results? I'm sorry but I don't see it. I'm very receptive to change and will always rearrange to meet the needs and requests by a majority. But I will not juggle the 165 gates only to satisfy a handful of members. It does not make sense. That's me being irked. We listen, read and DO care.
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Yes, which is why I suspect a glitch that a Moderator will have to fix. If one would respond to the requests....................................
But I also, throwing caution to the wind here, have wondered if some of the senior members don't like their boat rocked and this was never going to be considered anyway.
If true, sad and their loss.
I love PCP rifles as works of human ingenuity and art and feel excitement to see them evolving into something better. I enjoy being part of that evolution and enjoyed associating with the like minded people here. I like contributing to something bigger than one individual and feel that something like GTA is an organism, if it is not growing it's dying.
I love shooting and being in touch with my roots as a hunter as human males have done for hundreds of thousands of years. Very fulfilling.
But I never got along with the "This is the way we've always done it so it can't be changed" "It's policy" crowd and generally just move on like the Paleo hunter/gatherer hidden in a modern skin I am. Just saying there is always something interesting over the horizon and I like to go looking and don't look back.
FYI - This is me being irked
Really Carl? It's been about 24 hrs. since the situation with the vote button for your poll has come up. I see no record of you reporting this. I realize this is your baby, but we(the staff) work very hard to find the time to address the multitude of issues that arise with the forum and regrettably we just can't jump on every little issue the second it arises. Trust me in that if someone on the staff was intentionally messing with your poll, more than the vote button would disappear. Your situation has been referred to the proper personnel and I am sure it will be addressed as soon as they can get to it. In the meantime, if you still feel there is a better venue for your interests, I wish you well on your journey.
pv
PS- After some inquiry....The reason you don't have a submit button is likely because you have already voted. This to prevent unscrupulous voting. Evidently there has just not been that much interest in the poll.
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Just to add a bit to what pv stated. When you set the poll up you had several options to select or not select. I'm really not sure which you picked. You had a choice of allowing multiple votes per person, only one vote per person, show results to everyone, show results to those that vote and to also allow folks to change their vote. I assure you no one on staff intentionally "messed" with yours or any other poll posted by members. That is just not ethical or acceptable.
But the results of any poll stand as is, no interference from anyone that I am aware of.
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To sum this up, We are simple asking for the casting section to be moved over to the Darkside so it can more easily be found by all that are looking for it. I had a very hard time finding it myself until someone pointed me to it. Yes I did search for it ("bullet casting"), but it was deep in the search results and I missed it. I didn't think to look in the machine shop as that didn't click with me, and doesn't click with many other newcomers either.
I now know where it is, but that doesn't help others looking for it. A lot of people are becoming more interested in casting, so having this gate hidden back in the machine shop is not the best we can do IMHO.
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Moving is not a big deal Keith. I appreciate the input also. But with only 37 votes it appears to be a non-issue. But I will move the gate anyway. Personally, I don't think it relates to Big Bore only. Folks are pouring/swagging all calibers. But hey, I'm just one opinion.
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Folks are pouring/swagging all calibers.
That's the best argument to move it over to the Darkside so it is more visible. I don't think it needs to be on the Big Bore gate either because of the variety of the cast being made, but I'll leave that up to your expertise.
I'm just one vote too, but I do think that would be a good move. Thanks Dave!
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I would HATE to see this gate moved to the Big Bore gate, as we probably have as many NEW casters making pellets than bullets.... IMO the very best solution would be to see an "Ammo Casting Gate" as a child board in PCP/Darkside…. Make it generic and put it where it will get the most traffic....
*LOL*…. I see that has already occurred.... 8)
Bob
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It's now under PCP Gate....I hope this is satisfactory for all.
But that's an oxymoron. LOL
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That's perfect Dave. I never really wanted it in the Big Bore gate and never said I wanted it there. I should have been more clear about the Darkside. Where you put it is awesome, IMHO. Thank you!
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I just need more sleep...LOL. Maybe it was meant UNDER the Big Bore Gate, as in the listing.
Hopefully it landed in the most appropriate place now.
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I just need more sleep...LOL. Maybe it was meant UNDER the Big Bore Gate, as in the listing.
Hopefully it landed in the most appropriate place now.
Very appreciated.
There was some misunderstanding in places but it has worked out.
I'm so happy I made a donation to help the GTA keep up the good work.
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Glad all this was sorted out. Had me confused! :P
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The machine shop is for "Metal Working" mainly. Casting IS metal working just like welding is metal working! IMHO!
I cast for ALL bores of guns, small to large.
No Sir, casting in not looked upon as metal working. Nor is it looked on as fabrication. A foundry is not looked on as metal working. These are entirely different fields. Just as a welder is a fabricator or repair man.
You are confusing tradesmen with craftsmen. Not in the same league or pay grade. A Machinist being one of the highest paid tradesmen, And Pipe Fitter being one of the highest tradesmen, He is a machinist or a Pipefitter. Neither are called metal workers in the crafts. Although a Machinist works with metals and other materials, a true metal worker is a for instance, Gold Smith. Silversmith. Black Smith, Bladesmith. Hence the Title Smith. Titles respected the world wide, and over the centuries.
I may stir up some concrete, but i'm not a construction engineer. I may build a house, but I'm no Home Maker. My wife is, and I don't' want that job! LOL Titles in the trades and Crafts have meaning, and their places. It seems simply that you are not fully aware of them or what they are. . ;)
I was indeed looking at this from the Jewelry aspect of Metal. The book of which is titled The Complete Metalsmith by Tim McCreight was my reference . I used to make Jewelry and cut and facet stones. My site from those days ... http://www.gemcutters.org (http://www.gemcutters.org)
As far as Machinist terms I know few and absolutely nothing of your industry. I wish dearly I had access to some basic classes on Lathe and Mill working (I have both Mini Lathe and Mill) but alas live in the middle of nowhere without any such schooling or even a machine shop to visit and gain tips.
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I do have a nice knee mill, and heat treating oven. but no room for a lathe. Man I need one! Love machine work. it has always fascinated me!
Your field is another one that always fascinated me. I hold a GIA certification in Diamonds. , but never could get a handle on grading precious stones. So many twist and turns. Diamonds in comparison are just easy. LOL ;)
Mike
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I do have a nice knee mill, and heat treating oven. but no room for a lathe. Man I need one! Love machine work. it has always fascinated me!
Your field is another one that always fascinated me. I hold a GIA certification in Diamonds. , but never could get a handle on grading precious stones. So many twist and turns. Diamonds in comparison are just easy. LOL ;)
Mike
Cool Mike. Diamond was the one thing I never did. How far south are you from me?
Thurmond
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We are 40 mikes south of Waco, 70 miles north of Austin. ;)