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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2021, 08:41:31 PM »
Tommy Woods had one of the best explanations for using that Quattro trigger and the odd pull it takes.

Slide your finger down the trigger until the bottom edge of your finger is on the trigger guard. Now just keep it there when pulling the trigger and your finger riding up the inside of that trigger guard as a guide makes that odd upward and back trigger pull way easier. Worked for me (least it does when I finally remember to do it that way...lol) and maybe will for you??
That is a good suggestion and Iím gonna try it out tomorrow.  Iím getting some pretty good and consistent groups right now so I think I have proved to my satisfaction that the gun is accurate. I just need to work out a consistent hold and trigger pull to take advantage of it.


Hi "Captain" Carter

Here is a past post that I did on pulling the Quatro Trigger.

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For best accuracy, the trigger should be "pulled( Squeezed)" in a slight upward arc by allowing your trigger finger to follow the curvature of the trigger guard.
           

The pictures of this method are below.

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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2021, 09:52:10 PM »
Tommy Woods had one of the best explanations for using that Quattro trigger and the odd pull it takes.

Slide your finger down the trigger until the bottom edge of your finger is on the trigger guard. Now just keep it there when pulling the trigger and your finger riding up the inside of that trigger guard as a guide makes that odd upward and back trigger pull way easier. Worked for me (least it does when I finally remember to do it that way...lol) and maybe will for you??
That is a good suggestion and Iím gonna try it out tomorrow.  Iím getting some pretty good and consistent groups right now so I think I have proved to my satisfaction that the gun is accurate. I just need to work out a consistent hold and trigger pull to take advantage of it.


Hi "Captain" Carter

Here is a past post that I did on pulling the Quatro Trigger.

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For best accuracy, the trigger should be "pulled( Squeezed)" in a slight upward arc by allowing your trigger finger to follow the curvature of the trigger guard.
           

The pictures of this method are below.

Best Wishes - Tom

Thats the technique I used to get the two groups I posted today.  Thank you!  I think it has shaved a quarter inch off my groups.  Iím also going to pick up a longer trigger adjustment screw for the Quattro trigger. 
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2021, 10:22:30 PM »
Tom, thanks for chiming in :)

Carter, happy to see it ended up working out for you. Nice groups, sir :)
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2021, 12:05:47 AM »
Hi Captain Carter.

OK ... I managed to do a little shooting this evening with my 25 cal. Hatsan 125 Spring Piston rifle.
The target was placed out at 40 yards. (paced yardage 38 to 40 yards)
I took 27 shots with 4 different brands of 25 cal. pellets.
The temperature was 68 F. The wind was calm with no noticeable breeze.
I took the shots standing, semi offhand, with the for-stock resting in the vee formed between my thumb and fingers.
My for-stock hand was braced on a doorway.
The butt-stock was resting firmly at my shoulder but not super snug.
All shots were aimed at the exact center of a Birchwood Casey 3 inch stick on target.
None of the shots hit dead center on the target.




Gee Whiz Carter ....I sincerely hope this information is of some assistance to you.
I employed the "Special Hatsan"  Quatro Trigger Pull on all shots.

The pellets I shot were as follows in order of accuracy.

1. H&N 19.91 gr. Field Target Trophy domed pellets = 10 shots with 9 covered by a quarter.
    The H&N pellets shot 1/2 inch low but on center.
    *These pellets were by far the most accurate.*
    I'll be hunting with the H&N pellets this year... after I tweak in the scope some.

2. Benjamin 27.8 gr. Domed pellets = 6 shots with 4 covered by a quarter.
    The Benjamin pellets shot 4 1/2 inches low but on center.

3. Hatsan 19,91 gr. Vortex Supreme Domed pellets = 5 shots with 3 covered by a quarter.
    The Hatsan pellets shot to the right by 3/4 of an inch.  One shot was off of the target, trailing to the lower right.

4. Gamo Rocket Penerator 20.86 gr. Domed pellets = 6 shots with 4 covered by a quarter.
    The Gamo pellets shot 3/4 inch high with one shot trailing to the lower left.

Carter, click the image, once or twice if you wish to enlarge the picture.




Best Wishes - Tom
« Last Edit: September 06, 2021, 12:58:14 AM by A.K.A. Tommy Boy »
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2021, 02:57:33 AM »
For shooting a magnum springer, that are some great results Tom !

Also, it is interesting to see that there is some slight difference in results based on the pellet you have been shooting, but not by a huge difference.
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2021, 09:35:53 AM »
Hi Captain Carter.

OK ... I managed to do a little shooting this evening with my 25 cal. Hatsan 125 Spring Piston rifle.
The target was placed out at 40 yards. (paced yardage 38 to 40 yards)
I took 27 shots with 4 different brands of 25 cal. pellets.
The temperature was 68 F. The wind was calm with no noticeable breeze.
I took the shots standing, semi offhand, with the for-stock resting in the vee formed between my thumb and fingers.
My for-stock hand was braced on a doorway.
The butt-stock was resting firmly at my shoulder but not super snug.
All shots were aimed at the exact center of a Birchwood Casey 3 inch stick on target.
None of the shots hit dead center on the target.




Gee Whiz Carter ....I sincerely hope this information is of some assistance to you.
I employed the "Special Hatsan"  Quatro Trigger Pull on all shots.

The pellets I shot were as follows in order of accuracy.

1. H&N 19.91 gr. Field Target Trophy domed pellets = 10 shots with 9 covered by a quarter.
    The H&N pellets shot 1/2 inch low but on center.
    *These pellets were by far the most accurate.*
    I'll be hunting with the H&N pellets this year... after I tweak in the scope some.

2. Benjamin 27.8 gr. Domed pellets = 6 shots with 4 covered by a quarter.
    The Benjamin pellets shot 4 1/2 inches low but on center.

3. Hatsan 19,91 gr. Vortex Supreme Domed pellets = 5 shots with 3 covered by a quarter.
    The Hatsan pellets shot to the right by 3/4 of an inch.  One shot was off of the target, trailing to the lower right.

4. Gamo Rocket Penerator 20.86 gr. Domed pellets = 6 shots with 4 covered by a quarter.
    The Gamo pellets shot 3/4 inch high with one shot trailing to the lower left.

Carter, click the image, once or twice if you wish to enlarge the picture.




Best Wishes - Tom
Impressive shooting Tom, especially with those FTT pellets at 40 yds.  That hold is what I use while hunting, but using a tree or limb instead of door post of course.   ;D
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2021, 11:01:51 AM »
Wow Tom.  That is some awesome shooting.  Itís actually humbling.  Iíve said several times that I believe that my gun can shoot half inch groups.  Just not sure I can!;D
Iím getting better.  My group size has been declining and first shot accuracy is improving. I would like to be achieving the level of practical accuracy that Tom can.  If I could shoot like that at 40 yards I would feel perfectly confident assaying a head shot at a squirrel at 30-35 yards.
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2021, 07:14:45 AM »
I personally think the whole point of having a large-caliber magnum springer is to not need headshots on small game. A HW50 can do that, and way easier in all regards. Put a .25 cal magnum pellet behind the front leg of a 16 lb. hare, and it goes down. JME.
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2021, 01:49:27 PM »
I have Hatsan 125 .22 sniper (springer) and had a 125TH .25 which was a referb. The 125TH would give me a migraine within 5 shots, caused by the harsh vibrations and noise transferred through the stock. Unresolved neck and back issues didn't help any at the time. I ended up giving that gun away to someone who needed a heavy hitting airgun instead of smoothing it out. I use(d) JSB/Air Arms 25.4gr pellets exclusively, I found the trajectory to be manageable and they carry energy well.

Later I got the sniper .22, which was much better right out of the box. It loves cheap CPHP's and is one of my more powerful airguns. Scoped it with a 3-9X Centerpoint freebie which has been holding up well. Though honestly, the gun doesn't get shot much. Only comes out when I'm not sure a .177 is up to the task. The cocking effort is just too high for leisurely shooting (for me)

The .25 caliber is a great choice. It's a hammer on (small) small game. I found it's very good for eliminating red squirrels and the like, as you can take almost any shot that puts the lead through the vitals, no matter what direction/position your quarry is in or facing. With a .22 I find I have to be a bit more selective and precise with my shots. Usually I limit myself to 30yards or less, no matter the caliber. Sometimes I've had to reach out further, but I try not to if avoidable. I occasionally think of getting another 125 in .25, but can't justify buying one as I have a  Remington VTR 725 for slinging .25 caliber pellets.

Anyways, great shooting with those magnum breakbarrels! With groups posted here and the power the Hatsan 125 makes, any small game should be taken very easily within range.

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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2021, 02:13:43 PM »
Iím thinking about getting a .25 hatsan Springer.

How effective is the barrel pickle?

This might help deaden action noise. Iíve filled internal slots that didnít get in the way of the action with a mix of pellets and gorilla glue. Went in after gorilla glue expanded with an exacto blade to clean up.
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2021, 03:09:00 PM »
It's effective in reducing muzzle report. The action of my .22 125 sniper is louder than the report, I'd imagine the .25 report would be even softer with a pickle. Loud reports echo off my shed, I don't get any when shooting the 125 sniper, 95QE or 135QE. I do get it with Non-pickled guns, lol.

I dug out my Hatsan 125 sniper to give another go (it actually has a centerpoint 4X scope, not a 3-9). Took a dozen shots to relearn the hold. Here's a 5 shot group at 25 yards. The low shot was me. I pulled it as a truck towing a trailer going by had something clank around, HARD!  Thought it was an accident at first. Luckily it wasn't, Lol. Didn't want to wear myself out shooting any more so this group will have to suffice for now. These guns will wear you out if shot in high volume, but the power is addictive  ;D
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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2021, 03:21:04 PM »
Good group. Definitely could get some bunnies or doves with that.
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2021, 01:49:48 PM »
This is an interesting thread for me.
I too have a 125 in .25 (coil spring) that Hatsan indicated was running at 770 fps with mystery pellets.

I bought it in .25 because I have a 350 in .22.
If not, practicality would probably driven me to .22.

That said, I'm coming to realize the difference in BC between .25 & .22, and shooting .25 looks pretty good to me.  Certainly within reasonable range. Call that 30 or 40 yards.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that the .25 doesn't drop as much as I had imagined.  In fact I just bought some high BC mid weight JSBs to take advantage of that.

So, my 125 isnt broken in yet but I have been shooting it some (how I envy everyone with an airgun friendly back yard!).  I haven't had a chance to chrony it. 
The shot cycle is sudden and strong, and the pellets seem to get to target fast.
I can tell you that it hits steel spinners noticeably harder than the 350 does. 
The 350 does it without that little "ping" though... ha ha.

With the pellet shortage, I like to think that Hatsan is using the cheapest pellet available to them, which I guess to be ther own Strike 24.7 grain.  If true that 770 fps works out to around 32 fpe. 

I suppose its possible though it doesn't seem likely.
But if my rifle turns out to be an outlier, I'll definitely send it for a tuning.  Seals, hone, spring, choke etc.
I can't quite forget about the odd feeling that I got while at the range - that the 125 seemed to shoot nearly as fast as the 350 on 25 yard spinners.  I wish I had moved the spinners back to 50....

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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2021, 02:25:30 PM »
My guess is they are H&N.

Hatsan probably rates it at 770fps using the 19.9grain FTT for ~26fpe.

Tune it anyway, not only if it gets 32fpe.
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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2021, 03:01:51 PM »
Hi Sam

That's what I originally assumed too, and they probably have a supply of whatever cheap pellets they test with.

But it was actual data (refurb).  If it was with 20's the energy numbers are low.  And it doesn't seem to shoot "low".  I'm looking forward to finding out what the velocity really is.
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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2021, 07:02:11 PM »
Iíve read a few reviews of refurb .25 cal model 125ís.  More than one of them mentions that the refurb card that came with the gun claims a tested 770 FPS.  The refurb card that came with my refurb .25 cal claims 770 FPS.  Now Kragman says that his refurb card indicates 770 FPS.  Am I just cynical or does anyone else find that suspicious?  I donít have a chronograph to test my guns but Iím starting to think it might be worthwhile.  The seat of my pants tells my that mine is making between 730 and 750 FPS with 20gr pellets.
I just ordered another three tins of 20.06gr H&N FTTís and a tin of 27gr Baracuda Hunters from PA. The 24.5gr JSBís donít stay on the shelves long these days.  Iím buying what I can get in .25 ammo.  Fortunately both of my .25ís run good on FTTís.
Anyhoo. . .  Iím not disappointed with the performance of either of my Mod125ís.  IMO .25 caliber may be the best match for this power plant.  My .25 has broken in to be a real sweet shooting gun out to at least 40 yards.  It is more accurate than my .22 cal Mod 125 and the .22 is plenty accurate.  With some heavier pellets I might stretch itís range past fifty yards but not by much.
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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2021, 07:14:08 PM »
Ha!  I wondered about that too after reading about one other 770, and assumed that I was being paranoid.
But three now, well that feels different.

Really need to get a reading on mine darn it!

Seriously, it doesn't matter much to me.
I would LIKE it to be a velocity performer, because I didn't buy it to be a plinker.

If its not, well, whatever. 
It still hits hard, and accuracy seems fine so its a 30 yard large pest gun either way. 

But if they just pencil whip that form (or just run copies of the thing) I'd be a little disappointed.  Better for everyone if they didn't lie about such a needless thing.

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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2021, 09:23:36 PM »
A healthy Hatsan 125 should make at least 26fpe. Some have reported 28-Ish fpe and up to 30+fpe in .25 caliber with some work. How true 30+fpe claims are I can't say. To my understanding the spring version has a bit more power than the Vortex ram out of the box generally. They were putting in Nitro Piston gas rams early on and some claimed less power with those, between 24-26fpe from what I've read. Reportedly, There was a rash of 125's and 135's that had out of round compression chambers that robbed these Uber magnums of power and caused other issues earlier on, though I haven't read any reports of this recently. After learning the Vortex ram can be adjusted, it may be possible to squeak a couple more ftlbs. out of those guns, at the cost of a harsher shot cycle. Any airgun making 24fpe+ in .25 is serious medicine on small game out to 50+ yards, if you can put the lead on target. I've only done it once (50yard shot on game with .25), but was impressed by the results. Slow and heavy works good  ;D

Hatsan's are geared towards maximum power, no matter which model (aside from the Alpha). The velocity claims have been darn close to exceeding in my limited experience with Hatsan. I spent a lot of time looking into the 125 and 135 springers a few years back before buying one of these monsters. I got a 135 springer in .177 and was hooked. That was followed by another 135qe referb, a 95QE, a 150 and then the 125TH and 125 sniper. All these guns blew the NP B19 guns I was used to at the time out of the water, in terms of power. Accuracy with all but the 150 has been great. My only issue with Hatsan is when it comes to repair. The screws are soft and the trigger assembly always gives me fits when going back together. But that's a whole different topic.

After a quick search I found a 125 sniper and a plain Jane 125, each a springer in .25 caliber for under $225 new on amazon.  Very tempting, but I rarely shoot the monster springers I already have. My supply of 25.4gr pellets are fairly old and usually are saved for "special occasions".

My apologies for the long winded post. Too many thoughts rambling around...
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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2021, 09:25:09 PM »
Ha!  I wondered about that too after reading about one other 770, and assumed that I was being paranoid.
But three now, well that feels different.

Really need to get a reading on mine darn it!

Seriously, it doesn't matter much to me.
I would LIKE it to be a velocity performer, because I didn't buy it to be a plinker.

If its not, well, whatever. 
It still hits hard, and accuracy seems fine so its a 30 yard large pest gun either way. 

But if they just pencil whip that form (or just run copies of the thing) I'd be a little disappointed.  Better for everyone if they didn't lie about such a needless thing.


I just think Hatsan is a bit ďoptimisticĒ about their figures.  IMO Hatsan overclaims for their performance figures but not as much as Crosman or Gamo.  Real world wise my Hatsans seem to run about 100 to 150 FPS slower than the factory claims.  That is plenty good enough for me and still head a shoulders above a Ruger Air Magnum or a Crosman NP2 powered gun.  I read a lot about how many people are disappointed with their magnum springers when they canít hit the target or achieve the performance numbers on the box and how fatiguing they are to shoot.  I LOVE my magnum Hatsans!  They are accurate and extremely powerful.  I donít have any trouble shooting these guns fifty or more time in a session.  Of course I am 6í6Ē tall, 290 lbs, and I have arms like a gorilla. ;D
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Re: Yet another needless Hatsan Mod 125 review.
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2021, 11:30:48 PM »
A healthy Hatsan 125 should make at least 26fpe. Some have reported 28-Ish fpe and up to 30+fpe in .25 caliber with some work. How true 30+fpe claims are I can't say. To my understanding the spring version has a bit more power than the Vortex ram out of the box generally. They were putting in Nitro Piston gas rams early on and some claimed less power with those, between 24-26fpe from what I've read. Reportedly, There was a rash of 125's and 135's that had out of round compression chambers that robbed these Uber magnums of power and caused other issues earlier on, though I haven't read any reports of this recently. After learning the Vortex ram can be adjusted, it may be possible to squeak a couple more ftlbs. out of those guns, at the cost of a harsher shot cycle. Any airgun making 24fpe+ in .25 is serious medicine on small game out to 50+ yards, if you can put the lead on target. I've only done it once (50yard shot on game with .25), but was impressed by the results. Slow and heavy works good  ;D

Hatsan's are geared towards maximum power, no matter which model (aside from the Alpha). The velocity claims have been darn close to exceeding in my limited experience with Hatsan. I spent a lot of time looking into the 125 and 135 springers a few years back before buying one of these monsters. I got a 135 springer in .177 and was hooked. That was followed by another 135qe referb, a 95QE, a 150 and then the 125TH and 125 sniper. All these guns blew the NP B19 guns I was used to at the time out of the water, in terms of power. Accuracy with all but the 150 has been great. My only issue with Hatsan is when it comes to repair. The screws are soft and the trigger assembly always gives me fits when going back together. But that's a whole different topic.

After a quick search I found a 125 sniper and a plain Jane 125, each a springer in .25 caliber for under $225 new on amazon.  Very tempting, but I rarely shoot the monster springers I already have. My supply of 25.4gr pellets are fairly old and usually are saved for "special occasions".

My apologies for the long winded post. Too many thoughts rambling around...

Are you satisfied with how Hatsan locates the barrel breech block in the forks? Itís probably based on however Webley did it.
Have you had a D34 or XS25 to compare the Hatsan to?

Thatís my gripe with crosman Springers. Bad design.
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No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy.