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Title: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on February 04, 2018, 02:58:44 AM
Hello my name is Tom. I am a Forest Hunter and I Hunt Small Game in the North Woods of Minnesota. If you hunt rugged country in extreme weather conditions like I do, then you may want to take a look at this Well Designed, Gas Ram Hunting Rifle. I ordered this gun in 22 Cal. from PA on 10/29/2017  I  received it, on Nov 5th.  It shot well, right out of the box ( after barrel clean-up). It is a good hunting type gun but it is Not a Looker with a Walnut Stock. The open sights are all metal and no plastic. The gun is fairly rugged and does very well in a difficult hunting terrain. Sleet, snow, ice and rain haven't bothered this rifle much. If you shatter a scope on a rock, you still have the open sights to hunt with until you can get the broken scope replaced. The muzzle break unscrews for a threaded barrel, in case you decide to add a moderator or air stripper.. The gun comes un-scoped and weighs about 7 Lbs. My gun weighs around 7/12 to 8 pounds scoped. It handles well in heavy cover and the Clean Break Trigger is a big improvement over past Crosman triggers. I have taken several squirrels with this gun so far. ( Nov 13th) It was 18 degrees out that morning. I shot three squirrels out of trees at about 30 yards. It was "Lights Out & Dead Right There" on these squirrels with one shot to the center chest on each. This would be a good Field Grade Hunting gun but Not a Show Gun. This one has the NP #2 Gas Ram in it and cocks fairly easy.  It Hits Hard and Shoots Straight. No Barrel Droop at all. Since I got the gun Nov 5th, I have only shot about 85 shots thru this gun. It is not broken in yet and it already shot a dime sized grout at 25 yards  The gun's shot groups are improving even more as it is getting broken in.  My gun has not been pellet picky and is not hold sensitive either. Every pellet that I have shot through this Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 rifle has shot fairly well out to 25 yards. I don't have to re-adjust the scope much. I have shot Crosman Piranhas, Gamo Red Fires, Crosman Destroyers, H&N Terminators and others.  Some... but not much... variation in POI out to 25 yards. I don't have a clue why...that is just the way it is on this particular gun.  ???  ???       

If you wish you can go to PA's or AGD's Web Site Links that I have listed below and see what they they have for yourself.   The Price is $159.95 and Shipping May be Free.   

Type in GATEWAY-PYRAMYD for the 10% GTA Discount at PA.                     Type in AGDFB10 for 10% GTA Discount at AGD.


Rockbiter 25/125 AirgunsOhio Published on Feb 4, 2018
Shooting a 12 Yard Group-177 Cal. - You Tube Video Link : >
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My Best Wishes to All  -  Tom   





PA's Web Site on Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle
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AGD's Web Site on Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle
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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Bryan Heimann on February 12, 2018, 10:35:02 AM
Glad to finally see a review of this rifle.  I do wish they would make it available with a plain wood stock, with no funky geometric designs.  Still tempting though, i like this better than any of the other NP2 offerings.  Good steel sights are always a plus!

Thanks for taking the time, great review brother.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: SteveP-52 on February 12, 2018, 11:28:02 AM
Excellent review, my friend! If I ever get around to building the rifle I have pictured in my head, I'm sending it to you to put to the test and give your thoughts on. I know I'll get an honest opinion on what I got right and what I didn't.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on February 12, 2018, 12:32:38 PM
Glad to finally see a review of this rifle.  I do wish they would make it available with a plain wood stock, with no funky geometric designs.  Still tempting though, i like this better than any of the other NP2 offerings.  Good steel sights are always a plus!

Thanks for taking the time, great review brother.

Bryan....any of the NP2 wood stocks should fit this rifle, I think.  Crosman does not list this one on their web site any more.  I don't think that they are making this one any longer. They only had it on their web site for around 12 months.  It just came out about a year ago last Fall.  What ever the vendors like PA and AGD have in stock is all that is left, on this rifle. Too bad because it shoots real well and can be made to look a lot nicer if one desires.     Thank You for your reply.  I am glad you liked this review.

Best Wishes - Tom

Here is a List of Reviews on the Crosman Summit Ranger from Pyramid Air's web site:


The most helpful favorable review
2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
Overall rating: 5
Value for money:
Accuracy:
By Benjamin from USA on 2017-08-19 04:29:21
Things I liked: This gun is everything I expected and hoped it would be. Being a new Crosman product, there were no reviews when I decided to go for it. I figured though that it would combine the best of other rifles in a lower priced package. Spot on! Weight and balance are very good - light enough to carry around, with enough heft to steady the aiming. The synthetic stock is light and rugged and looks really cool. Crosman rates the FPS at 1150, but PA places it at 1400. I think the PA rating is more correct - it packs a lot of power, and that makes for a level trajectory at longer distances. The rifle is zeroed out of the box. I like that the gun comes without a scope, which is very easy to attach, the Winchester 4x32 AO in my case. Sighting in with the Sightmark Triple Duty Universal Bore Sight was surprisingly easy. It took only 3 adjustments of the scope to hit the bullseye.
Things I would have changed: A sling would have been a bonus.
What others should know: The muzzle break can be unscrewed, and the front sight pulled off, in order to attach the Sightmark bore sight magnetically to the barrel. Reattaching the muzzle break and front sight, however, means the rifle will have to be sighted in if the open sights are to be used. This rifle is powerful enough to hunt small game at 40-60 yards, at which distances I would consistently use a scope, so that's not an issue at all.


The most helpful critical review
0 of 0 people found the following review helpful:
Overall rating: 3
Value for money:
Accuracy:
By Calvin from USA on 2019-01-17 11:11:28
Things I liked: accuracy with open sights.
Things I would have changed: although the trigger isn't to bad, It is hard to tell when it is going to fire. The rear sight has a lot of play in it making it move up and down a lot. If you use open sights it will have to be shimmed. After shimming mine and a slow steady trigger pull I can hit tin cans at 50 yards.
 
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Overall rating 4.0
Value for money 5.0
Accuracy 5.0
By Gerald w. from USA on 2019-01-21
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Things I liked: I like the power but the pin on the rear sight keeps trying to fall out I put a scope on it anyway.
Things I would have changed: different pin for the rear sight.
What others should know: its a great gun like it a lot.  Add comment to this review



Overall rating 3.0
Value for money 3.0
Accuracy 4.0
By Calvin from USA on 2019-01-17
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Things I liked: accuracy with open sights.
Things I would have changed: although the trigger isn't to bad, It is hard to tell when it is going to fire. The rear sight has a lot of play in it making it move up and down a lot. If you use open sights it will have to be shimmed. After shimming mine and a slow steady trigger pull I can hit tin cans at 50 yards.  Add comment to this review


Overall rating 5.0
Value for money 5.0
Accuracy 5.0
By Will on 2018-12-31
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Things I liked: I have the Crosman Optimus as well. And this rifle will out shoot it every day of the week. By far more accurate and much more powerful. It is lightweight and the synthetic stock will holdup well in the field. While the scope is okay I shoot it with the iron sights and these sights are actually metal. It also seems to like a variety of pellets. I have used JSB, Crosman, RWS, and H&N and they all group well.
Things I would have changed: While I love the metal sights I wish the front blade was not as high.
What others should know: If you are looking for a great inexpensive.177 that is accurate and can take a beating this is a great choice.  Add comment to this review


Overall rating 5.0
Value for money 5.0
Accuracy 5.0
By Kurt from USA on 2018-12-06
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Things I liked: I bought first, the .22cal,because of Tom's reveiw.I have both now,the .177 & .22. They are very accurate.Has metal sights..Basic ,Good, Powerful gun. I scoped both of them now >Old Eyes..Both guns shoot different kinds of pellets well /what Tom said.
Things I would have changed: nothing
What others should know: I bought these for rat shooting in the winter .I live in the NW Wa,rain and mist.I own HW,RWS,Beeman and didn't want to abuse them with the weather....I am very happy with the Summit Ranger.IT will Stack 22cal. RWS HP at 15 yards..Stock has a "Hollow Chonk" sound when fired..Easy fix for that..1 inch thick, furniture foam from hardware store.. Step1>Remove rubber butt pad(2 phillips head screws) 2>Lay rifle butt stock on foam. .3>with sharpy pen, trace stock. 4.>Cut out foam.,stuff foam in stock. 5>.replace butt pad (careful/steel coarse thread screws going into plastic).6.>Try gun out = no more "Chonk" sound.  Add comment to this review


Overall rating 5.0
Value for money 5.0
Accuracy 5.0
By James from USA on 2018-09-29
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Things I liked: The NP2 is a powerful, low recoil, quiet, smooth cocking and very accurate air gun. This rifle is not a back yard friendly air gun. It is a serious hunting rifle. Every bit as dangerous a .22 LR powder burner. It is light weight, steel front and rear open sights, nice trigger, sling mounts, and you pick out the scope. It does not like light weight pellets (14.3 gr. or 14.66 gr.). It is that powerful. Loved JSB Exact 18.3 gr. pellets. Crosman has a real sleeper in the Summit Ranger at a very affordable price from Pyramyd Air. A + A + A +
Things I would have changed: Rear sight is weird.  Add comment to this review


Overall rating 5.0
Value for money 5.0
By clarence from USA on 2018-09-02
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Things I liked: Great value power and accuracy
Things I would have changed: nothing
 

Overall rating 4.0
Value for money 4.0
Accuracy 4.0
By Steven from USA on 2018-02-01
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Things I liked: I've been interested in an inexpensive breakbarrel, what flipped my buy switch on this is that it is Crosman 's cheapest np2 air rifle with metal sights and a non-thumbhole stock.the front metal sight appears to be held on by a perforated metal nut that I haven't tried to remove.The rear sight is all metal, a bit crude, but functional, and looks like it can be completely removed.The stock is sturdy but hollow sounding. The trigger blade is plastic but seems plenty strong. It shoots with a solid "thok". The 10 for 10 test.showed velocities around 900fps with 11g hobby pellets. The trigger has a lot of creepy slack for the first stage but I can feel the second stage and it breaks pretty clean if not light. I've only shot about 80 pellets. My best casually rested 25 yard group was 1 1/4". Too soon to say if it will be accurate, but so far I'm encouraged.
Things I would have changed: Shape of the pistol grip.
What others should know: Durability is a question, but I've found Crosman easy and helpful to deal with in the past which is an important point for me.

By Chevota from USA on 2018-07-19   
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Plastic trigger? It should be what appears to be powdered metal. It is also non-magnetic... Let us know. Btw, what are your thoughts on that rear sight-onna-block? Looks like a redneck lift kit... I don't understand why, do you have any idea? Also, does it appear that it could simply be cut down to normal height?
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Overall rating 5.0
Value for money 5.0
Accuracy 5.0
By Benjamin from USA on 2017-08-19
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Things I liked: This gun is everything I expected and hoped it would be. Being a new Crosman product, there were no reviews when I decided to go for it. I figured though that it would combine the best of other rifles in a lower priced package. Spot on! Weight and balance are very good - light enough to carry around, with enough heft to steady the aiming. The synthetic stock is light and rugged and looks really cool. Crosman rates the FPS at 1150, but PA places it at 1400. I think the PA rating is more correct - it packs a lot of power, and that makes for a level trajectory at longer distances. The rifle is zeroed out of the box. I like that the gun comes without a scope, which is very easy to attach, the Winchester 4x32 AO in my case. Sighting in with the Sightmark Triple Duty Universal Bore Sight was surprisingly easy. It took only 3 adjustments of the scope to hit the bullseye.
Things I would have changed: A sling would have been a bonus.
What others should know: The muzzle break can be unscrewed, and the front sight pulled off, in order to attach the Sightmark bore sight magnetically to the barrel. Reattaching the muzzle break and front sight, however, means the rifle will have to be sighted in if the open sights are to be used. This rifle is powerful enough to hunt small game at 40-60 yards, at which distances I would consistently use a scope, so that's not an issue at all.

By Chevota from USA on 2018-07-19   
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PA says 1150 now. Seems more realistic considering it's short barrel. Steve; thanks for posting the thread specs, which is the same as the shrouded version so I'm guessing it's the same barrel minus shroud? Btw, is that rear sight screwed on or did they solder/braze that thing??? It has that brazed look like the Pic rail on the scoped guns. I was hoping for screwed b/c lots of people are looking for a metal one to use on other Cros/Benj guns that have plastic or none at all.
By steve from USA on 2018-03-22   
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Some corporate politics I do believe, like the wrong fps... thread count 1/4 x 20 the hatsan air stripper is a a go!
By Paul from USA on 2017-10-03   
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Finally got a scope. Still need a better one but yeah it's just a great rifle. Every weekend I take it to the field for distance (I have a great shorter range setup too for the daily itch. The infamous gamo big cat 1400. Also great and once mastered stupid accurate but not quite as powerful, not as tough etc. I'm glad to have gotten the 1400 for $63, even after this my summit ranger's the favorite. It does get the range doesn't it? Lol. I can't believe that more people aren't buying it. Worth every red cent!
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Overall rating 4.0
Value for money 5.0
Accuracy 4.0
By Paul from USA on 2017-08-01
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Things I liked: The feel,function (steel sights etc) and undeniable power (mine clocks in at 1200fps avg with LEAD crosman 7.4g pointed .177. At 15yds I can stack pellets and dime a 10+ group so far with steel sights. It gets a minimum of 23fpe! (I may have been lucky I don't know but mine is a keeper!) Artillery hold isn't necessary, sling mounts, np2 gas piston. ...no barrel droop, full rifled barrel, good crown and faux compensator/break for further protection plus it's threaded. ... Really for me, quite a bit to like with very little not to. I'm seriously considering the 22 instead of another model too I like it that much.
Things I would have changed: Nothing so far save maybe some dots on the sights but I covered that myself on mine. The trigger is heavy but very easily adjustable to be crisp with 1mm first stage. Feels like the firstthe stage is about a lb with about 5lb clean break second stage as I set it. I actually prefer a single stage so this is not bad. Doesn't hurt my accuracy or enjoyment at all for the purpose. I'm physically disabled too so it's all very usable. I didn't like the safety concept at first but once I started using it in the field it became very much appreciated. I took a mental note of the design in practical applications and now give it a B easily. Really no complaints once you use it as intended but it's a great pinker too. A little bit loud for tight suburban backyard MAYBE but I expected that. I got it as a good all around gun that has power and it's definitely that! Sks in an airgun but for a break barrel it's right in the ultra magnum range.
What others should know: It's worth it if you buy it knowing that you picked out the right rifle for you. This is not a child's toy (most people likely know that here but there's always a chance someone missed every other notice on it lol). Buy two, it's a great rifle if you want power and function over form (though I like the form too). I think they did good by taking a design change and making it a crosman as opposed to Benjamin. Benjamins side need backup sights. The scope only trend made my options quite limited there and this used to be no different lol. Great gun. For the money it's a steal so DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE FUNCTION,POWER AND PRICE CROSMAN! :)   Add comment to this review


Overall rating 4.0
Value for money 5.0
Accuracy 5.0
By Paul from USA on 2017-07-29
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Things I liked: Steel sights, power,accuracy,feel, cocking effort is smooth at about 32lbs with the np2. Not overly hold sensitive. Tight in shoulder and everything else is fair game. There's a few minor design quirks but nothing to worry about. It's a great gun for the money. It takes game humanely and quickly however none of the power ratings are ever right. Even the box differs from the sights etc lol
Things I would have changed: Add a scope, 3-9x32 that works and drill the rear sight to sit snug. Hybrid version of this without the npxl and. 25 cal. I'd buy all three calibers. I like it that much.
What others should know: The rear sight is drilled 1mm too loose. It functions fine but I think people should be aware. Power is close to the box. 1195fps/177 down. Not 1400 with alloy. Definitely worth it. I love it. Powerful, comfortable, durable, accurate, no barrel droop, crown or missed rifling etc. Great target hunter. It has minor quirks for the blind. As such, I painted fluorescent dots on the steel and it's a tack driver. Blows through about 1200 pages easily. 1inch plywood? Butter meet hot knife. It's a great fun and hunting rifle for big boys and girls :)
 

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on February 12, 2018, 12:37:44 PM
Excellent review, my friend! If I ever get around to building the rifle I have pictured in my head, I'm sending it to you to put to the test and give your thoughts on. I know I'll get an honest opinion on what I got right and what I didn't.

Steve...I would be more than happy to test anything that you send me.    I am quite sure that anything you might build would be Great with little or no flaws.   Thank You for your reply. I am glad you liked this review.

Best Wishes my Friend   -   Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on March 03, 2018, 01:45:06 AM
Dear Reader :

The more I shoot this rifle the more I like it.       So far I have found no flaws in it's performance.      I have taken small game with this rifle in the Fall and Winter.   This rifle has worked out, really well, as a hunting gun.

Sincerely My Best Wishes to You  -  Tom


Here is a review from AirGun Depot :



100% Recommend this product (2 of 2 responses)


By Jim
Lafayette Indiana
June 1, 2018
Not perfect, but very good for the price
I've had this gun (.22 version) for only three days, so maybe a review is premature, but I've already spent several hours sighting it in, setting the trigger, and practicing with it, and these are my first impressions.

The gun's power is impressive. It strikes with authority, no question. I'd have no qualms hunting small game with it once I learn to hit my mark consistently.

I can't say this NP2 gun is really much quieter than a spring piston gun, but the sound is smoother, if that makes sense.

Breaking the barrel to load is heavier than I'd come to expect after reading other people's reviews, but closing the barrel is smooth and effortless.

The sights overall are pretty good, but the rear sight has an annoying back and forth play caused by a gap where the sight plate is pinned into two front prongs at the front of the sight base. This can be fixed though, with shims, or maybe building up the sides of the sight plate or base prongs with JB Weld, or gently tapping the two prongs on the sight base closer together with a light hammer. It's a pity this is left to the end user, but it is what is, and it is nevertheless better than many other sights I've seen.

The trigger is good once you get it adjusted to the briefest second stage possible. It is as advertised very crisp and light, and the lengthy first stage is an entirely acceptable trade-off to get it to that point. And a light, crisp trigger pull does make a huge difference in accuracy.

Hold sensitivity I don't know that I can really comment on too much at this point, except to say that I'm starting to believe that some shooters may be over emphasizing the forearm hold while ignoring stock weld, which is at least as important. Good and consistent placement of your cheek on the comb when sighting in translates into good, consistent shots. So far I've only shot off the bench with the fore end resting on a pad, but I have noticed some significant variation in shot placement while trying to get a decent stock weld. Which isn't easy with this gun, you really have to cant your head and lay your cheek as hard as possible into the comb to get a decent sight picture. (Some relief might be possible though by going old school and filing the generously tall front sight down far enough to allow lifting the rear sight up a little higher.)

And that leads us to stock design and ergonomics. Clearly this stock was designed to be used with a scope instead of open sights. In fact, this is the same stock used for the scope only Benjamin Summit. It looks like basicly what Crosman did was retrofit the Benjamin Summit with open sights.

The other ergonomic deficiency with this design owes much to the beefy stock fore end and hollow plastic butt. The balance point with an artillery hold is a little forward of the end of the scope rails, a good hands width forward of the trigger guard, which makes the gun unwieldy for shooting offhand. Overall the gun's weight is currently acceptable, it's just front heavy, but I'm reluctant to add any more weight to it in the butt to bring the balance point back. Again though, I strongly suspect that since this stock was designed for a scoped gun this problem will be solved once I mount a scope.

So overall, I would say this gun is solid, well made, and a very good step in the right direction, and it was certainly worth what I paid for it, though for want of more refinement in the rear sight and a better stock more suited to open sights it's not as good as it could be.
Pros
Price point, solid construction, powerful, accurate, trigger and sights are better than most at this price point.
Cons
Stock poorly designed for open sights.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Horatio on April 10, 2018, 12:30:34 AM
Thank you Tom for review. The Gas Spring B19 I got 2 years ago was garbage. Thank you for for testing the waters on this one.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on April 10, 2018, 02:54:37 AM
Thank you Tom for review. The Gas Spring B19 I got 2 years ago was garbage. Thank you for for testing the waters on this one.
Sam...I thank You for your Reply.  I was in unknown territory when I first received this rifle.  I had read a lot of good things about the NP2 gas ram and the CBT trigger but I really did not have any first hand experience with them.   My wife surprised me by ordering this rifle and giving it to me as a surprise gift.   The more I shoot this gun, the better I like it.    It is now my number one "go to gun" for small game hunting.       


My Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: mobilehomer on April 14, 2018, 06:39:06 PM
Tom, you might be able to use this guide. It makes for a really good trigger.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on April 14, 2018, 06:46:57 PM
Tom, you might be able to use this guide. It makes for a really good trigger.


Thank You Ken !     I saved all of this !     I had originally doused my trigger with a slight amount of Mac 1 Secret Sauce.   I'll look in to his information that you sent me.... just as soon as this Big Snow Storm/Blizzard I am in.. is over with on Monday.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Relentless Holiday on April 22, 2018, 11:09:36 AM
Nice hunting gun group for sure Tom,  Too bad they stopped production on them. sounds like a fine weatherproof hunter.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on April 23, 2018, 12:22:08 PM
Nice hunting gun group for sure Tom,  Too bad they stopped production on them. sounds like a fine weatherproof hunter.
Gee P.O.I.  I did not know that Crosman stopped production on this model.   AGD and PA still have them for sale.  I might order another one.  I have a 2017 Crosman catalog that received last November and they were still advertising the Summit Ranger in it.  This gun was ready to go right out of the box.  The only thing I had to do with it was clean out the barrel.  Very strange to come out with it then stop after one year or less.  At any rate, it is a Very Good Hunting Rifle.   All Terrain & All Weather Capable.   Very Accurate no Barrel Droop and Not Pellet Picky.  Powerful & Tough too.   You can take this gun into places and situations that you would never dream of taking a rifle with a Nice Hard Wood Stock into and It will preform Flawlessly for you.   I know, I have three guns with nice hard wood stocks too.   All the small game that I have taken with this gun have been one shot kills.  This rifle is my #1 go-to rifle for all hunting situations. This gun is very Quiet just as it is, stock from the factory.    I have other guns with moderators on them.  The Summit Ranger is just as quiet as my Moderated 22Cal. Crosman Red Tail & 22 Cal. Legacy, and that is with out an LCD on it.  It has a barrel that is threaded for 1/2 20 fine thread.  If I put a LCD on it the Summit Ranger will be Absolutely Dead Quiet. 

My Best Wishes  -  Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Relentless Holiday on April 25, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
....Sorry Tom, I must have misunderstood. I was traveling and using a notepad small screen when I read this thread.  I'd though on post #3 you meant it was out of production when ya said it was gone from Crosman's site...my bad...
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on April 25, 2018, 12:50:05 PM
....Sorry Tom, I must have misunderstood. I was traveling and using a notepad small screen when I read this thread.  I'd though on post #3 you meant it was out of production when ya said it was gone from Crosman's site...my bad...
You Could Be Right P.O.I. This Gun IS Gone From Crosman's Web Site and It May NO Longer Be In Production !

This Gun was probably going to KILL sales on their more expensive SBD Guns.  It was just Too Good.

AGD and PA are still selling them but... they just MAY be the last ones out there

If anyone is sitting on the fence on this rifle, this may be a good time to buy.  Who knows how much longer AGD and PA will have them.   


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 01, 2018, 03:45:44 AM
Dear All...Here are some Questions and Answers from Pyramid Air's Web Site on the Crosman Summit Ranger NP 2 Air Rifle.

Best Wishes to All   -   Tom


Paul from USA asked:
What is the weight of trigger pull and is it adjustable?

Tyler from USA:
The CBT trigger is adjustable but usually comes out of the box in the 4-5 lbs range
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Mary from USA asked:
what is the cocking load for this rifle?

Tyler from USA:
About 35 lbs
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Frank from USA asked:
I like this gun because it has open sights. Does it have any baffles, or will it be louder then the scoped versions of the nitro 2, with the thicker barrel/shroud?

Tyler from USA:
It does not have any baffles. It may be slightly louder, but the majority of the noise from a gas piston/spring gun, comes from the action itself, so the noise increase shouldn't be extreme
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Thomas from USA asked:
Does this airgun have a "CREEP STOP HOLE" drilled in the receiver top?

Shawn from USA:
Yes it does have a scope stop hole.
Stanley from USA:
No .
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Bong from USA asked:
Would like to know if the muzzle break is removable\threaded and can be replaced with an aftermarket suppressor\silencer, will appreciate any feedback :)

Stanley from USA:
Yes it can be removed . Unknown thread size ?
steve from USA:
1/2x20
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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 01, 2018, 03:57:11 AM
Here is a Poasting on the Crosman Summit Ranger fro Amazon's web site on the Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle.  Amazon gets them from Pyramid Air and they state that there only 5 left in stock.     Better order one if you want this one, they will be gone soon !

Best Wishes   -   Tom


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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 01, 2018, 04:09:17 AM
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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 01, 2018, 05:51:40 AM
I don't know anything about this place but they have the Crosman Summit Ranger on Sale !

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$127.50 for the 117 Cal. >>  Link to 117 Cal Rifle : > https://www.bigboreairgunshop.com/product/py-4321-8344-crosman-0-177-crosman-summit-ranger-np2-air-rifle/ (https://www.bigboreairgunshop.com/product/py-4321-8344-crosman-0-177-crosman-summit-ranger-np2-air-rifle/)


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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 02, 2018, 01:32:27 AM
Ammo Gear.com has the  22 Cal. Crosman Summit Ranger in stock and selling for $159.00     I don't know anything about this place.

Check Out Their Web site !                   Best Wishes - Tom



  Click Here : >  http://www.ammogear.com/_5/6/3/Crosman_Summit_Ranger_22_Caliber_NP2_Breakbarrel_Air_Rifle_950fps_55465365.htm (http://www.ammogear.com/_5/6/3/Crosman_Summit_Ranger_22_Caliber_NP2_Breakbarrel_Air_Rifle_950fps_55465365.htm)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 07, 2018, 11:17:55 AM
I was out shooting the 22 Cal Crosman Summit Ranger NP2. I was shooting at a 3 inch spinner set out at 75 yards.  I was shooting Crosman Piranha 22 Cal 14.3 Gr Pellets.     I took 30 shots and all were hits on the spinner.         Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 20, 2018, 09:52:10 AM
I had the Crosman 22 Cal Summit Ranger Np2 out, shooting, this morning.  I had not shot it in quite a while.  The 1st shot was right on target and no scope adjustments were necessary.   I was shooting Crosman 14.3 gr. 22 cal. Piranha's.  The more I shoot this gun the more I like it.   It is a good, all around, small game hunting rifle.     

                                                      Reasonably Powerful - Accurate - Good Field Weight - Well Built & Tough

Best Wishes  -  Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 20, 2018, 10:22:25 AM
If you look closely at the pictures of Crosman Summit Ranger and the Walther Terrus below, you can see some similarities. 
Crosman must have patterned the Summit Ranger after the Terrus.

Best Wishes  -  Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 21, 2018, 07:57:41 PM
Walmart is selling the   22 cal. Summit Ranger NP2    for  $159.00

For the Walmart Link Click Here : >  https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Summit-Ranger-22-Caliber-NP2-Breakbarrel-Air-Rifle-950fps/55465365 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Summit-Ranger-22-Caliber-NP2-Breakbarrel-Air-Rifle-950fps/55465365)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on May 22, 2018, 12:11:16 PM
Small Game Hunters.......PA is having their birthday sale.  The Summit Ranger NP2 is 20% off.  Only 4 177 Cal. left in-stock. 
type in the discount code BIRTHDAY for the 20% off.      $159.95 - 20% ( $31.99)  =  $ 127.96 + Free Shipping

Sale ends 5/23 at 3:00 AM

For PA link for Summit Ranger Np 2  Click Here : >  https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-summit-ranger-np2-air-rifle?m=4321 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-summit-ranger-np2-air-rifle?m=4321)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
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The Crosman Summit Ranger is  $134.95 at PA today.[/size]   ( After GTA Discount Code: GATEWAY-PYRAMYD )

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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on June 19, 2018, 10:51:25 AM
PA and AGD still have a few in both calibers but they will be sold out soon.   If you want one.. then buy now.     Best Wishes - Tom

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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: CaptJ on June 29, 2018, 03:53:56 PM
Just ordered one myself based on the positive feedback all y'all have given it. I'll be sure to report back my thoughts. First break barrel rifle for me.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on June 29, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
Just ordered one myself based on the positive feedback all y'all have given it. I'll be sure to report back my thoughts. First break barrel rifle for me.

Corey...I will be waiting to see how you like your Summit Ranger....I really like mine and it is my go-to-gun for winter hunting.

Best Wishes  -  Tom

P.S.  This information below, was copied from P.A.'s web site


The Summit Ranger is an accessible shooter thatís trail ready straight out of the box.  Featuring Crosmanís Nitro Piston 2 technology, this gun can shoot in cold weather conditions, remain cocked for hours, and shoot 80% quieter than most spring piston rifles.
With practical features for field carry, the Summit Ranger includes an all-weather black synthetic stock with integrated sling mounts to add a strap for easy transport.  Atop the stock is an 11mm Dovetail rail to mount your optics choice, or if you prefer, the Ranger has metal open sightsówhich is a nice touch over flimsy plastic ones.  As an added bonus, this airgun includes Crosmanís Clean Break Trigger (CBT), an enhanced 2-stage trigger thatís adjustable. 
Best of all, these Summit Rangers are made in the US of A!
All these features add up to a solid rifle thatís more than ready for shredding paper targets dispatching small game.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Bryan Heimann on June 29, 2018, 10:29:58 PM
Just ordered one myself based on the positive feedback all y'all have given it. I'll be sure to report back my thoughts. First break barrel rifle for me.

Corey...I will be waiting to see how you like your Summit Ranger....I really like mine and it is my go-to-gun for winter hunting.

Best Wishes  -  Tom

P.S.  This information below, was copied from P.A.'s web site


The Summit Ranger is an accessible shooter thatís trail ready straight out of the box.  Featuring Crosmanís Nitro Piston 2 technology, this gun can shoot in cold weather conditions, remain cocked for hours, and shoot 80% quieter than most spring piston rifles.
With practical features for field carry, the Summit Ranger includes an all-weather black synthetic stock with integrated sling mounts to add a strap for easy transport.  Atop the stock is an 11mm Dovetail rail to mount your optics choice, or if you prefer, the Ranger has metal open sightsówhich is a nice touch over flimsy plastic ones.  As an added bonus, this airgun includes Crosmanís Clean Break Trigger (CBT), an enhanced 2-stage trigger thatís adjustable. 
Best of all, these Summit Rangers are made in the US of A!
All these features add up to a solid rifle thatís more than ready for shredding paper targets dispatching small game.

You getting a check from Crosman?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on June 30, 2018, 07:06:20 AM
Just ordered one myself based on the positive feedback all y'all have given it. I'll be sure to report back my thoughts. First break barrel rifle for me.

Corey...I will be waiting to see how you like your Summit Ranger....I really like mine and it is my go-to-gun for winter hunting.

Best Wishes  -  Tom

P.S.  This information below, was copied from P.A.'s web site


The Summit Ranger is an accessible shooter thatís trail ready straight out of the box.  Featuring Crosmanís Nitro Piston 2 technology, this gun can shoot in cold weather conditions, remain cocked for hours, and shoot 80% quieter than most spring piston rifles.
With practical features for field carry, the Summit Ranger includes an all-weather black synthetic stock with integrated sling mounts to add a strap for easy transport.  Atop the stock is an 11mm Dovetail rail to mount your optics choice, or if you prefer, the Ranger has metal open sightsówhich is a nice touch over flimsy plastic ones.  As an added bonus, this airgun includes Crosmanís Clean Break Trigger (CBT), an enhanced 2-stage trigger thatís adjustable. 
Best of all, these Summit Rangers are made in the US of A!
All these features add up to a solid rifle thatís more than ready for shredding paper targets dispatching small game.

You getting a check from Crosman?

No Bryan.  :-\   ;D   ;)      I got this gun because it looked like it would be good for hunting and would standup to abuse.   I did not know anything about this gun when I got mine but it has become my favorite hunting rifle.       Best Wishes  -  Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: CaptJ on July 08, 2018, 06:57:48 PM
I am 50-75 shots in so far on the Summit Ranger. Still dieseling some. I am still trying to figure out a hold it likes. I sanded the edge around the opening in the trigger guard to the adjustment screw some. I also just realized that the rear site notch portion can freely tilt up and down along its wind-age axis. I makeshift stuck a piece of thin cardboard to fill the gap that allows it to do that.  Does anyone else's rear site have this problem?

Otherwise I am liking my first venture into the break barrel world so far. Definitely packs a punch.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Bryan Heimann on July 09, 2018, 04:36:03 PM
If my sights have play, i shim them with a piece of electrical tape.  Steel open sights on a price point gum usually have someplay.  Plastic is so much cheaper and easier to mould, but it's plastic.  Harder to take precise aim point with a fat plastic sight.  Thin plastic sights break off too easy, so yoi deal with it and make due.  I'd rather have steel and have to shim.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: CaptJ on July 09, 2018, 11:24:59 PM
I definitely like the steel over plastic sites.

Anybody have tips on holding NP2 rifles? Some say loose like typical springers, some say hold them firm. *shrug*  I am getting some rather large patterns still at about 9m (my basement limit).  I'm new to these guns. I am so used to pumpers haha.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Horatio on July 09, 2018, 11:33:48 PM
I am 50-75 shots in so far on the Summit Ranger. Still dieseling some. I am still trying to figure out a hold it likes. I sanded the edge around the opening in the trigger guard to the adjustment screw some. I also just realized that the rear site notch portion can freely tilt up and down along its wind-age axis. I makeshift stuck a piece of thin cardboard to fill the gap that allows it to do that.  Does anyone else's rear site have this problem?

Otherwise I am liking my first venture into the break barrel world so far. Definitely packs a punch.

I was never able to get decent iron sight groups with my B19 because of the slop in the rear sight. Might have to skip that step.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on July 11, 2018, 12:21:44 AM
I did not shoot my Summit Ranger a whole lot with the open sights.  I did some but... not a lot.  I seemed to shoot OK with them... but... I am pushing 70 years old and I shoot a lot better with a scope these days.   
OK...I secured the movement of the rear sight with Super Glue.  Easy Fix.     

Best Wishes  -  Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on July 11, 2018, 10:20:05 AM
I definitely like the steel over plastic sites.

Anybody have tips on holding NP2 rifles? Some say loose like typical springers, some say hold them firm. *shrug*  I am getting some rather large patterns still at about 9m (my basement limit).  I'm new to these guns. I am so used to pumpers haha.

Corey.......Keep us posted here on your new Summit Ranger. I am excited to hear about your new rifle !

 I hold and shoot all my springers the same way. I pull them, into my shoulder, mildly snug. The fore-stock rests on but is not tightly gripped in my off-hand.  The trigger pull can change from gun to gun but I the hold stays the same.  I shoot either off-hand or I brace, the palm of my off-hand, on a walk-thru doorway and rest the rifle in the vee that is formed between my thumb and fingers.  When I shoot while hunting, I will shoot off-hand or I will rest my off-hand the same way on a tree branch or tree trunk.   I never bench shoot.    I practice my shooting in the same manner that I would use to hunt... out in the forest behind my home.    In am lucky..I guess...I have never had any issues shooting any of my springers....not from day one. 
Shooting them just comes natural to me.           Best Wishes  -  Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: CaptJ on July 11, 2018, 11:57:14 AM
I got a chance to shim the rear site so we shall see if that helps.

What groups are you getting at what distances Tom? What pellets? I currently have CPHP and Polymags to play with.

Thanks for the help guys! Just want to figure out whether I have a bad one or not before the 30day Pyramid window closes.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on July 11, 2018, 01:56:56 PM
I got a chance to shim the rear site so we shall see if that helps.

What groups are you getting at what distances Tom? What pellets? I currently have CPHP and Polymags to play with.

Thanks for the help guys! Just want to figure out whether I have a bad one or not before the 30day Pyramid window closes.

Corey ....I'm primarily a air gun hunter and I don't do a lot of paper target shooting unless I am checking the zero on a scope. I shot a dime sized group at 25 yards right after I got my gun and zeroed in the scope. I had maybe 25 shots thru the gun when I shot this group. It was a cold winter day and the temp was about -15 F.  I shoot 14.3gr 22cal Crosman Pirahanas in this gun. I have a Birchwood Casey 44 Mag double spinner that is set out at 50 yards. The upper spinner is about 3 inches and the lower one is about 4 1/2 inches.  I can hit the upper spinner, on most shots with my gun.  This is the only picture that I have taken of a shot group with the Summit Ranger that I still have on file. I shot his group standing with my off-hand braced on a doorway.          Best Wishes  -  Tom

P.S.    Please feel free to post any pictures or information on your gun here in this review. You input will be greatly appreciated by all and by me in particular.  There is very little information and reviews on this gun. When I bought mine there was none at all.  One of the Admin/Moderators here in the GTA requested that I do a review on this gun. I did so, after I had hunted and shot my gun for a while and had a feel for the gun.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on July 11, 2018, 09:18:40 PM
O.K. Corey... :)...I now have a recent photo for you. ( Of a shot group with my 22cal Crosman Summit Ranger NP 2 rifle. )   

I shot this group today at aprox 6:30pm. ( after I got back from fishing all day )  The temp was 83 F with 74% humidity. No wind.   I shot this group while standing in the woods by my house. I braced my off-hand on a tree branch and rested the rifle in the Vee between my thumb and fingers. The target was placed in a tree that was paced off out to 35 yards. The shot angle was slightly up at about a 3 degree incline.  I was shooting 14.3gr Crosman Piranha 22cal hunting pellets.  I took six shots at the target and the shot group could be covered by a quarter.  I have not shot this gun much since the end of hunting season last February.  At that time... the temp was -15 F with 10% or less humidity.   The scope was off just a tad to the right of center. That is understandable considering the big difference in temperature that this rifle was last sighted in to. 

I don't do this type of shooting very often and I hope this is of some help to you.

My Best Wishes  -  Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: CaptJ on July 12, 2018, 10:32:11 AM
That is a nice group Tom! Thank you for posting!

I did these groups yesterday evening. 10 shots each. Not as good as yours at a shorter distance. I am still dieseling though. Would that affect accuracy much? One front stock screw was a little less snug than the other two as well so tightened that this morning and I'll try another group when I get a chance. Pulled out the Bluestreak for a quick comparison/help with considering shooter skill. Feels so thin compared to the Ranger haha.

I am wondering whether I should post this in the Crosman section as well. Maybe others can give feedback as to whether I need to do a gun exchange or not vs I just need to practice and maybe get a scope.

Speaking of scopes, which one do you have?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on July 12, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
Corey

I have a Walther 4X32 fixed power scope mounted on my Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 rifle.  It is Simple, Tough, & Very Clear.

I cleaned my barrel throughly before I shot mine and did not get any dieseling.

Your Gas Ram NP 2 Breakbarrel rifle will not shoot the same as your Multi-Pump Blue streak.  The Summit Ranger will have a springer type, recoiling jump, to it and the Bluestreak will not.  The trigger pull ( A Slow Controlled Squeeze ) is the key to good accuracy ..on both guns.. but they are not going to be... or feel... the same between your Bluestreak & Summit Ranger.

In the picture below, you can see how I position my off-hand for shooting my rifles. I rest the fore-stock of my rifles in the Vee that is formed between my thumb and fingers. I do not grip the fore-stock. I let it float free in that Vee. Try shooting your rifle in that manner and see if it makes any difference in your shot groups.

Best Wishes  -  Tom

P.S.
Also...Don't flinch up and anticipate the recoil or the shot.    Relax and let it happen.  :)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: CaptJ on July 13, 2018, 02:52:01 PM
Thanks Tom! I'll give that a try!

Here is another bench rested group after double checking screws and some barrel cleaning (still getting some dieseling though. Must be in the Piston area). I think it is safe to say the rifle is fine (if someone thinks different let me know!). Just the shooter needs some tweaking.  ;)

Thinking of maybe getting a Bugbuster 3-9x32 for it.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on July 13, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
Corey     That shot group looks a lot better.  :)       

Corey....Here is another alternate hold technique to shooting a springer air rifle that you may want to try.


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Well it has been a week and a day since I posted this and as long since i shot my Octane.  I was out of town for the fourth and only took my CO2 girls and they got plenty of exercise.  ;D ;D ;D

So tonight I set up at about 8:00 and starting pushing the JSB 18s through at 30 yds.  After the 1st or 2nd shot keyholes around 1/2".  Tried the Barracuda hunters out which are sorted by weight and for the most part they were shooting even better. 

For giggles I tried a tighter grip and pulled tight to my shoulder.  That one was 2" to the right.

So I feel like I do now know that this particular gun likes to be pointed and fired with as little pressure or contact as possible and shoots these two pellets well that way.



All my 'ladies' like to be held differently ... Holding her tighter may change the point of impact but, it can also change the size of the group ... Sometimes, for the better!   ;D

Cheers,
Smoketown


Jim,

I was just out shooting some frozen targets from a mold i got from PA and i remembered your statement and thought i would give that a try.

So I held this thing like a PB rifle firmly and pulled tight to my shoulder with my left hand holding the foregrip and resting on a bag.  My first five shots were about 1 1/4" low and to the right of POA. All five within a dime!  At 30 yds.  Then I pulled one or two and fired several more and continued to group tightly!

Did not see this coming. 

Jim you were right!

This hold does require some practice as there is motion that was not there with the artillery hold.
I tried leaving the front of the rifle on the bag and gripping firmly and pulling tightly to my shoulder and I get a shotgun effect that way.

Thank You Jim, i now know that I do not have a bench queen.  Awesome!!!

********************************************************************************************************
Turns out my Octane Elite is not so hold sensitive.
Hope this link works:


https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=145205.msg1481128#msg1481128 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=145205.msg1481128#msg1481128)

Turns out that when I hold mine tight like i would a PBer with both hands and only resting front hand on bag i get a change in POI but groups well and with some practice will group as well or maybe better than artillery hold.

Something new every day! ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: CaptJ on July 13, 2018, 11:54:20 PM
Thanks Tom!  8) I'll keep on practicing.

Interesting. I shall have to do some hold experimentation and see what happens!

Thank you again for all your help!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Horatio on July 17, 2018, 12:09:59 AM
Thanks Tom! I'll give that a try!

Here is another bench rested group after double checking screws and some barrel cleaning (still getting some dieseling though. Must be in the Piston area). I think it is safe to say the rifle is fine (if someone thinks different let me know!). Just the shooter needs some tweaking.  ;)

Thinking of maybe getting a Bugbuster 3-9x32 for it.

For iron sights and a new gun to you, and a shooter new to springers- I think that is a great group.

Tom really likes his springers and I think he bags a good amount of game with them. I would try any advise he gives.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: air-rebel on August 14, 2019, 01:07:14 PM
FYI

Today Midwayusa com has the Crosman Summit Ranger on clearance sale for $68

And for $15 you can upgrade it to a Benjamin Summit with these Crosman parts

 NP214-001       TRAIL BAFFLE
 NP214-009      SHROUD CONE
 NP214-008      TRAIL SHROUD
 E357-008       O-RING, 2-018

Happy Hunting!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Bryan Heimann on August 14, 2019, 10:53:07 PM
FYI

Today Midwayusa com has the Crosman Summit Ranger on clearance sale for $68

And for $15 you can upgrade it to a Benjamin Summit with these Crosman parts

 NP214-001       TRAIL BAFFLE
 NP214-009      SHROUD CONE
 NP214-008      TRAIL SHROUD
 E357-008       O-RING, 2-018

Happy Hunting!

That is outrageus!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: uglymike on August 15, 2019, 12:29:44 PM
Received my $87 shipped Crosman Summit Ranger .22 from Midway yesterday. Fired a pellet to ensure function and put it back in the box. Pleasantly surprised at the cocking force, less than expected! Trigger was............ :(
Has anybody put a Tuna trigger in one of these Summit Ranger NP2s? I have used his triggers with great success in the past, have faith in the brand. A little feedback before I place the order would be great. Thanks.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: mikeyb on August 15, 2019, 10:55:53 PM
Received my $87 shipped Crosman Summit Ranger .22 from Midway yesterday. Fired a pellet to ensure function and put it back in the box. Pleasantly surprised at the cocking force, less than expected! Trigger was............ :(
Has anybody put a Tuna trigger in one of these Summit Ranger NP2s? I have used his triggers with great success in the past, have faith in the brand. A little feedback before I place the order would be great. Thanks.

You can improve the Clean Break Trigger (CBT) with a little effort. Read through this thread starting here...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=160497.msg155785774#msg155785774 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=160497.msg155785774#msg155785774)

If the DIY tuning is not good enough, the correct Charlie DaTuna upgrade would be the next step.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: air-rebel on August 21, 2019, 03:36:43 AM
I found out today that the summit ranger barrel is longer than the benjamin summit barrel so

in addition to the Crosman parts list posted above you'll need a carbon fiber tube to be placed in between the shroud-cone and the receiver body.

I'm using these parts cut for the spacer (approx-3-4")

Matte-19mm-OD-15mm-ID-500mm-Length-3K-Roll-Carbon-Fiber-Tube-19-15-500 off of ebay

This is now the longest rifle in the cabinet.    8)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Horatio on August 22, 2019, 01:34:11 AM
Received my $87 shipped Crosman Summit Ranger .22 from Midway yesterday. Fired a pellet to ensure function and put it back in the box. Pleasantly surprised at the cocking force, less than expected! Trigger was............ :(
Has anybody put a Tuna trigger in one of these Summit Ranger NP2s? I have used his triggers with great success in the past, have faith in the brand. A little feedback before I place the order would be great. Thanks.

I had an NP B19. The trigger was so bad I kept making sure the safety was off.

I guess the clean break is a little better than that.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Bryan Heimann on August 24, 2019, 09:29:01 PM
Received my $87 shipped Crosman Summit Ranger .22 from Midway yesterday. Fired a pellet to ensure function and put it back in the box. Pleasantly surprised at the cocking force, less than expected! Trigger was............ :(
Has anybody put a Tuna trigger in one of these Summit Ranger NP2s? I have used his triggers with great success in the past, have faith in the brand. A little feedback before I place the order would be great. Thanks.

I had an NP B19. The trigger was so bad I kept making sure the safety was off.

I guess the clean break is a little better than that.

How is that Remington Express i sold you working out?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Horatio on August 25, 2019, 01:34:44 PM
Received my $87 shipped Crosman Summit Ranger .22 from Midway yesterday. Fired a pellet to ensure function and put it back in the box. Pleasantly surprised at the cocking force, less than expected! Trigger was............ :(
Has anybody put a Tuna trigger in one of these Summit Ranger NP2s? I have used his triggers with great success in the past, have faith in the brand. A little feedback before I place the order would be great. Thanks.

I had an NP B19. The trigger was so bad I kept making sure the safety was off.

I guess the clean break is a little better than that.

How is that Remington Express i sold you working out?

I put a .22 barrel and diopter on it and barely shot it.

It works great. Just havenít messed with it much.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Horatio on August 25, 2019, 01:44:10 PM
I guess sometimes I just mess with them.

Iíve gotten 3 springers as far as I thought they could reasonably go, just to give them away.

I was trying to give away my B19 but my wife forgot to grab it from the in-laws when she was there.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on August 27, 2019, 11:42:54 AM
Crosman Summit Ranger Owners :


If anyone is interested in switching out the Plastic stock on a Summit Ranger I think this one might work.   

Many folks here in the Forum detest plastic stocks.  So if you wish to replace the stock on your Summit Ranger with a wood stock then you may wish to take a look at this one. It is for the Crosman Valiant and I think it will fit.  Both have the larger diameter NP2/Elite Gas Ram. This one is cut out to allow for clearance of the rear barrel sight too.  This is the least expensive one that I have found so far. 

The Wood stock for the Benjamin Trail NP2 might fit too but it runs about $20 more and the rear barrel sight would not clear without re-working the stock in that area or removing the rear barrel sight.  The B19 series guns have a smaller Gas Spring and the stocks do not fit in that area.

On my Summit Ranger, I fixed the thunk sound from the hollow plastic stock by stuffing it full of foam rubber.


Best Wishes - Tom

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Ticket ID: ZQO-677-95818

Subject: General Support
Message from Crosman:
Tom -

A replacement wood stock (#NP2EW-01-00) for the Crosman Valiant rifle costs $46.30 plus shipping and handling and can be ordered by phone from Customer Service at 800-724-7486. Unfortunately, the trigger guard is not yet available.

Thank you for contacting Crosman Corporation.

Regards,
Cameron


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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: uglymike on September 01, 2019, 12:13:30 PM
Put the Tuna CBR trigger blade in, light years better. Doesn't feel like dragging a nail across concrete now, and don't need a come-along to pull the trigger either. Cleaned barrel and mounted a cheap scope on it, now just wait for the blue stuff to cure.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: birdmove on September 02, 2019, 11:07:03 PM
    Those Summit Rangers at Midway are down to $63.88. For me, to Hawaii near Hilo, shipping would add another $20.00. Still, not a bad price. It would be my first .22 caliber break barrel. I target shoot, and shoot rats at night that raid our chicken coop. I am very seriously considering grabbing one at that price. They show 23 left right now, as I just checked.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on September 02, 2019, 11:29:05 PM
Mine is being delivered tomorrow.
I blame you Tom.  Ha Ha.   i did not need one of these.

But seriously with Tom's praise of this gun, at $68 delivered I thought I would be a yutz not to get one and try it out.

We shall see tomorrow night!!!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on September 03, 2019, 10:11:51 PM
Well, Tom- a big thank you to you sir!  I got a real gem.
Straight out of the box with iron sights I was grouping Benji HPs at 50' at about an inch.  My eyes do not like open sights any more.  Those pellets must really be screaming because they are loud when they hit the paper.  I tried some 16gr AAs, 18gr AAs, 21gr Cudas, 18gr Barracuda hunters.  All shot tightly and roughly the same POI. 

Put a 3x red dot on it... even better, zeroed at 30 yds, not enough magnification but I was still getting 1" groups. 

This was straight out of the box,  I did not clean or adjust anything.  I was shooting from the bench with a relatively firm two handed hold.  Not artillary hold.
I find this gun to be very easy to shoot.  With a scope I know I could shoot nickels or dimes.  As is.
The trigger is a little stiff but I have several guns which came with much much worse triggers.
This gun feels great for field use.  Light and compact.  It also feels very durable.
$68 delivered!  I am really really impressed!  I would be impressed if I had paid $150 for it.


Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on September 04, 2019, 03:10:51 PM
Well, Tom- a big thank you to you sir!  I got a real gem.
Straight out of the box with iron sights I was grouping Benji HPs at 50' at about an inch.  My eyes do not like open sights any more.  Those pellets must really be screaming because they are loud when they hit the paper.  I tried some 16gr AAs, 18gr AAs, 21gr Cudas, 18gr Barracuda hunters.  All shot tightly and roughly the same POI. 

Put a 3x red dot on it... even better, zeroed at 30 yds, not enough magnification but I was still getting 1" groups. 

This was straight out of the box,  I did not clean or adjust anything.  I was shooting from the bench with a relatively firm two handed hold.  Not artillary hold.
I find this gun to be very easy to shoot.  With a scope I know I could shoot nickels or dimes.  As is.
The trigger is a little stiff but I have several guns which came with much much worse triggers.
This gun feels great for field use.  Light and compact.  It also feels very durable.
$68 delivered!  I am really really impressed!  I would be impressed if I had paid $150 for it.

Ray......That is Good News.
I am glad that you are happy with your rifle and it is preforming to your expectations.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on September 04, 2019, 03:16:26 PM
Attention :   To the readers of this review.


I Encourage Anyone Who Has Bought This Rifle To Add Their Experiences With It...... To This Review....Both GOOD And BAD

I want the actual truth to come out about this rifle through a collaborative effort by many Summit Ranger owners.




When I was first asked to write this review...... I was very hesitant to do that.

I was very afraid that folks would buy this rifle and then have problems with it......all because I wrote this review and said that I liked mine.


I know of one person, in particular, that bought the .117 Cal. version and was Very Dissatisfied with it.  That GTA member promptly returned it for a refund.   

It will only be through a combined sharing of experiences, by other Summit Ranger owners, that we can get a good consensus for a realistic review on this rifle as a whole.


I am very surprised that this post has lasted this long.
I would not have expected too many folks to be interested in a rifle like this one is. (It is defiantly not a show gun)
My rifle is not much to look at... but it has been a serviceable, all weather, rifle for me.
I think it is a good one to take into environments that would be damaging to a more expensive, higher quality gun.
I fully expected this review to have died out and become past history a long time ago.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on September 05, 2019, 11:22:45 AM


I will post if I find any issues but I do not expect to see any.  Shoots great straight from the box.  Should only get better.

Unfortunately I need to lighten up on shooting my springers for a bit,  I broke my left wrist a few months ago and while the bone is healed I seem to be causing some inflammation which is doing funny things with some nerves.

As for the the appearance of the gun,  as you said it is no display piece,  but would make a heck of a truck gun, and as you noted it is a terrific field/brush gun.

One thing I will say is that this gun has a loud report for a break barrel.  It is not quite backyard stealthy.  I have not shot mine over the chrono yet but I will.  Heavier pellets did quiet it down a bit,  but the impact on paper or steel has real authority. 
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: air-rebel on September 06, 2019, 11:16:54 PM
Hello Tom,

I present you with the Silent Summit Ranger.    ;)

This Labor Day weekend I got the chance to break in the SR with about 100 domed premiers in 0.22, some initial dieseling,  but it was soon shooting tac sharp at close range in silicon valley suburb backyard. 

Next week I'll be in your neck of the woods.  I’m headed to winter camp in Winter Wisconsin for white tail season which runs from September to January, so it was time to finish my SR kit out. Here's the details on SSR.

First things first  - Removed the SR front and rear sights - Meh. -  Meh Meh!

I now have just about as much $ into my SR as I could have spent on a stock benny trail but I also think my air rifle choices are better for the cost.

As mentioned before I had tried the Silver SBD edition parts from Crosman and added a nice piece of PRC carbon tube to make up for the Summit Ranger's longer barrel.  Results = I did not like it!  No fault of the SR. In two words - twist and flex. (For that matter the  Platinum and Gold SBD just look silly to me.)

A Summit Ranger Motto

Added the remaining 19mm OD x 15mm ID carbon tube over the full length of the barrel 
(looks and feels [larger diameter] really nice I think)

Upgraded the trigger with Mcarbo pro kit ($15.95)   =: )

Added a one piece medium height dovetail scope mount ($12.99)

Added a 3x9x40 illuminated scope ($27.99)

Added a 1" rifle sling ($7.99)

Added a  heavy duty swivel set ($11.27)

Added a BSA 644 LDC  from XTXAIR ($54.00)

I'll be in the northern Wisconsin field most of the rest of this year
and will let you know how this works out. 

Until then - “Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting wabbits!, He-e-e-e-e!”

Best Regards,
Air Rebel
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: uglymike on September 11, 2019, 08:42:47 AM
Mine has MASSIVE droop, so had to order a droop mount. Installed a Tuna trigger, light years better. The stock trigger for me was not an option, I've yet to figure out how you folks get a come-along on that trigger blade   ;)  ;) Still couldn't tell you if it's accurate or not, working my way thru the all bugs in it first to make it shootable. 
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Arch_E on September 11, 2019, 07:54:17 PM
Not long after I started shooting air rifles, Tom and I talked about the Summit Ranger 2; so, I bought one in the .177 caliber.

My experience was mostly the opposite of Tom.

First, the gun was too loud for shooting in my back yard. I'm at sea level (New Orleans area), so the .177 was probably getting (didn't own a chron at that point) nearly 1100 FPS. LOUD!

Second, mine was pellet picky. I couldn't find the right pellet for the SR2. It shot only meh, especially compared to my Gamo and Wiehrauch 97K.

Third, the front sight kept unscrewing and backing out of the screw hole.

I decided at that point to return the gun but could easily have fixed the third problem. Likewise, had I not returned it; I could have purchased a moderator to quieten the gun even more. The pellet pickyness, I don't know if that would have resolved itself after a few thousand shots or not. However, I replaced it with a Crosman Nitro Venom Dusk .177 and from the first shot was hooked. Somewhat tricky trigger, but a great gun to shoot. It's still one of my best shooting pellet rifles.

I appreciate Tom doing all this leg work to help us get informed.

Thanks for the great work,

Archie
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: air-rebel on September 12, 2019, 11:50:16 PM
@uglymike

Informed and visibly surprised to hear there is such a thing as a drooper scope mount. 

A super drooper huh.  Assuming the barrel is straight.  Is the breach closing completely at the NP compression tube?   It might simply and commonly be mfgr problem with front block boring alignment.  I wouldn't be surprised if Crosman support repairs it under warranty.  The people I've spoken to there seem pretty responsive to QA and CS. Thats a new rifle and actual parts diagram not available but using the BSN292SX EVP file we can see that part CSN-108 might be out of spec.  Since there is no Summit Ranger CSRN292 EVP file available from Crosman yet you cant be sure and are left with a lemon.  Then full replacement is the only tort remedy required. I'd just ask them.

Crosman Part 24b CSN-108 .22 Summit Breech Assembly from the Summit parts diagram.
Replacing it might improve your rifle in the case of boring issue.



Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: air-rebel on September 13, 2019, 12:34:14 AM
@A.K.A. Tommy Boy

Hey Tom,

Have you heard this one?

Q: What is the St Croix good for?
A: Dividing Minnesota from Wisconsin

 ;)

Actually this past June afternoon I got to kayak about 20 miles on the holy cross with family. 
Amazing!


Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on September 13, 2019, 01:06:51 PM
@A.K.A. Tommy Boy

Hey Tom,

Have you heard this one?

Q: What is the St Croix good for?
A: Dividing Minnesota from Wisconsin

 ;)

Actually this past June afternoon I got to kayak about 20 miles on the holy cross with family. 
Amazing!

Reb

I am surprised that you even knew about the St. Croix River.  I live fairly close to it.     
From St Croix Falls up to the Namekagon split, it is very wild and scenic.   
When I was younger, I used to do a lot of backcountry canoeing ( Boundary Waters Wilderness ect. )
I have not done that for several years now.

Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger Questions
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 11, 2019, 09:41:51 PM

Buddy's Post in the Crosman Benjamin Gate
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=163719.0buddyb (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=163719.0buddyb)

Shooter
Posts: 44
Real Name: Buddy

summit ranger questions?
ę on: Today at 12:24:29 PM Ľ

I have 2 questions:

1. What does everyone do about the loose front sight?

2. Do you need the scope pin for the rear ring installed before you add a scope?

Thanks again Uglymike for the gun.


USA, Ohio, Bellefontaine
.22 benjamin trail np xl 1100
.177 Crosman Vantage with Titan stock


Buddy has started a Summit Ranger post in the Crosman Benjamin Gate.
He is looking for some suggestions for his rifle. Does anyone kindly have any for him.
Buddy received his Summit Ranger from uglymike
You wish, you can reply in his post or if you rather.. here in this post.
Here is the link to his post > https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=163719.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=163719.0)


Best Wishes My Friends - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 11, 2019, 11:44:51 PM
Ordered this scope mount for the SR: Leapers Accushot 1-Pc Mount w/1" Rings, High, 11mm Dov from PA
The stop pin comes with the mount. I ordered the high mount per Tom's suggestion because of the high front sight.

I had the open sights pretty much dialed in when the front sight came loose so I plan on fixing the front sight issue by super gluing it in place after aligning the sight with the barrel and rear sight.

I believe the barrel may be a little oversized not sure. The gamo red fires fit perfect in this gun and the CPHPs are a little loose but still work. I'll finish breaking it in with the crossmans though.

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 17, 2019, 12:24:47 PM
I posted elsewhere that my SR really likes the JSB 14.3s at 30 yards, 1/2" groups or better.  That is great because nothing else I have likes them.

Last night I received my 3-12 x 32  bugbuster and installed it.  Too dark to shoot outside but in the garage at 8 yds offhand this gun put 6 or 8 in a hole smaller than a dime with no signs of stopping.  Not supposed to be able to do that with a magnum breakbarrel, a cheap one at that.  Well not at my experience level anyway.
Really impressed with this $68 rifle!!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 17, 2019, 01:27:53 PM
Superchickn that's good news. I can't wait to get mine dialed in.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 17, 2019, 01:36:53 PM
Superchickn that's good news. I can't wait to get mine dialed in.

Buddyb
I added a Crosman baffle and half shroud so now it is silly quiet.

I dressed the trigger and sear surfaces and installed a roller ball tip screw as well as a lighter spring and now have a very nice two stage trigger with a light pull and a clean breaking second stage.

I have not pulled the piston out yet to check the internals and don't feel like it needs it but I take everything apart and why should this be any different?

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 17, 2019, 08:38:59 PM
SteveP-52 gave me a tin of the new 22 cal. JSB Hades pellets to try out.
I am going to sight the Summit Ranger in with these, then take it hunting and see how well they workout in this rifle. 
Hopefully they will be my "go to" hunting pellet for the Summit Ranger.



Best Wishes My Friends  -  Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: SwampHunter on October 17, 2019, 08:57:12 PM
SteveP-52 gave me a tin of the new 22 cal. JSB Hades pellets to try out.
I am going to sight the Summit Ranger in with these, then take it hunting and see how well they workout in this rifle. 
Hopefully they will be my "go to" hunting pellet for the Summit Ranger
Anxious to see how they work for you, have been thinking of trying them in my summit
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 17, 2019, 09:14:33 PM
Tom,
I hope the Hades work out for you as well.  If the accuracy is on then that would be a devastating combo in your hands.   ;D


I had about a half an hour to shoot outside tonight before I ran out of light.  I swapped out the rings on the bugbuster and got to work at 30 yds.

 Shooting from the bench with the JSB 14.3s and it was pretty windy.  Aside from a few that I pulled, I was getting most shots in 3/8" with a few wandering out to 1/2" 

This thing just keeps making me smile! 

Now it needs some blood.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 22, 2019, 06:11:50 PM
Update on the Hades.  Awesome. 

I'm pretty sure they were fine when I tried them last week and I rushed things.
I was back at it with the Hades on Saturday and they were shooting better than the 14.3s at 30 yds.
The neighbors were good enough to drop a pile of large diameter logs across the creek from me at 61 yds.  I did not take any pics or measure but I believe they were staying under an inch.  Will go at it again when the rain stops. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 22, 2019, 06:45:48 PM
Tom, how did those Hades pellets work out in the Ranger?

Buddy
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 22, 2019, 07:26:40 PM
Update on the Hades.  Awesome. 

I'm pretty sure they were fine when I tried them last week and I rushed things.
I was back at it with the Hades on Saturday and they were shooting better than the 14.3s at 30 yds.
The neighbors were good enough to drop a pile of large diameter logs across the creek from me at 61 yds.  I did not take any pics or measure but I believe they were staying under an inch.  Will go at it again when the rain stops. ;D ;D ;D
EDIT:
I was mistaken,  My XS60C was shooting an inch with the Hades at 61 yards.  That is still pretty darn good though.
I do have a 12" iron skillet at 50ish yards and my SR was grouping well, I will retest before I misspeak again. 

Pretty impressive none the less.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 22, 2019, 07:35:46 PM
On Saturday my SR started honking when cocking.  Time for a teardown.  I may have 1000 pellets through it now.
There were the usual burrs in the tube and the piston seal had some scratches in it which i polished out.
The tube was quite dry, I cleaned, deburred, polished the tube with scotchbright and lubed with Krytox.
I was surprised to see that the piston is "buttoned" with three nylon inserts.  I did not know this was being done at the factory.  pretty cool.
I also soft bedded the action, while it was apart. 

This rifle is a joy to shoot.
Ray
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 22, 2019, 09:50:25 PM
Tom, how did those Hades pellets work out in the Ranger?

Buddy

Gee Buddy.

I haven't sighted the rifle in yet with them.   :-[

I went Hunting today with the 25 cal. Hatsan 125TH.   ;)


I'll post here when I get it done wth the Summit Ranger.


Best Wishes - Tom


Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 22, 2019, 10:50:25 PM
hahaha just curious Tom.  ;D

Buddy
Title: 22 cal.Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle - Hades 15.89 gr. 22 cal.Hunting Pellets
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 24, 2019, 04:58:38 PM
OK here is what the Hades pellets did today.
I sighted in the Summit Ranger in today with the 22 cal. Hades Pellets. 
I started out shooting a little high and to the right.
15 shots at 30 yards with a brisk cross wind.
I was adjusting the scope during this shooting session.
I should shoot again after the wind dies down later.
The center bullseye measured 1 1/4 inches.
The last 5 shots were the tightest group on the picture.
I did not have much time to shoot. Too many things to do.
The pellets fit easy in the breach. Little loose actually.
What do you folks think ?


Best Wishes - Tom



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Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 24, 2019, 05:58:15 PM
I'd say that's pretty good. How do they compare with your other pellets?

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 24, 2019, 07:49:19 PM
I'd say that's pretty good. How do they compare with your other pellets?

Buddyb

Buddy

I can do just as good or better with 22 cal. 14.4 gr. Crosman Piranha's

We'll see how well they work on live game now.

I was really tired & a little shaky when I took those shots. 

I was standing with the rifle braced against a door frame.

I may try a sit down shot, braced against a door frame next.

I shoot again tomorrow morning when I am well rested.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: air-rebel on October 25, 2019, 12:26:11 PM
Hey Tom,

Just a little update on the hunting trip to Winter WI.  I'm using your "hold" and it works best of any others we've tried.  I've got the scope sighted in at the range and shooting 1.5" groups at 30 yards using Crosman domed 14.3gr.  We've had a blast plinking with this setup and completely ditched the 0.17 caliber Gamo for this better caliber.

One note.  Without the BSA 644 silencer the pellets seem to raise up a little bit.  With the silencer the pellets trajectory appears flatter probably do to some lost velocity? The silencer very effectively cancels pellet/air noise too.  We're thinking of bumping up the pellet weight a little bit but very happy with current setup.
 
Took a 20 mile canoe trip down the Thornapple river with the Silent-Summit and got two Rough Grouse from the boat.  Two more grouse near the road the next day and one wild turkey on the dear trail.  No misses thus far.  This gun is awesome.

Happy Trails!
Rebel
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 25, 2019, 08:06:29 PM
I'd say that's pretty good. How do they compare with your other pellets?

Buddyb

Buddy

I can do just as good or better with 22 cal. 14.4 gr. Crosman Piranha's

We'll see how well they work on live game now.

I was really tired & a little shaky when I took those shots. 

I was standing with the rifle braced against a door frame.

I may try a sit down shot, braced against a door frame next.

I shoot again tomorrow morning when I am well rested.


Best Wishes - Tom

I was out hunting today with the Summit Ranger shoooting the JAS 22 cal Hades 15.89 gr hunting pellets
I harvested a red squirrel at about 2 yards with a straight on shot.
The pellet basically blew right thru from front to back, much like a Crosman Piranha would.
I could not tel if there was much expansion or not, leastwise by the exit wound alone.
They are accurate enough in this rifle but time well tell if they out shine another hunting pellet.
I also lube all my pellets with a dry film lubricant. I does not diesel or detonate in the barrel and is not greasy or oily to the touch.

 Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 25, 2019, 09:19:44 PM
I'd say that's pretty good. How do they compare with your other pellets?

Buddyb

Buddy

I can do just as good or better with 22 cal. 14.4 gr. Crosman Piranha's

We'll see how well they work on live game now.

I was really tired & a little shaky when I took those shots. 

I was standing with the rifle braced against a door frame.

I may try a sit down shot, braced against a door frame next.

I shoot again tomorrow morning when I am well rested.


Best Wishes - Tom

I was out hunting today with the Summit Ranger shoooting the JAS 22 cal Hades 15.89 gr hunting pellets
I harvested a red squirrel at about 2 yards with a straight on shot.
The pellet basically blew right thru from front to back, much like a Crosman Piranha would.
I could not tel if there was much expansion or not, leastwise by the exit wound alone.
They are accurate enough in this rifle but time well tell if they out shine another hunting pellet.
I also lube all my pellets with a dry film lubricant. I does not diesel or detonate in the barrel and is not greasy or oily to the touch.

 Best Wishes - Tom

Here is the Post in the Hunting Gate on today's hunt with the Crosman Summit Ranger and the Hades pellets if you care to see it.     https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=164283.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=164283.0)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Lt. Dan on October 25, 2019, 10:14:16 PM
Nice. Why lube the pellets? Probably a dumb question but I didn't know we should.
And how do you like the Hades? You getting good accuracy out of them? I want to try some just have had the opportunity to purchase any.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 25, 2019, 10:28:28 PM
Lt.Dan Tom and I were just messaging about this, he feels it adds a bit of accuracy and using the Kool Lube the gun doesn't diesel. I'm going to give it a try as well. Tom sent me some lubed crosman piranhas and I was placing them in the same hole at 11 yards out of the Benjamin trail np xl 1100 .22 i got from him.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Lt. Dan on October 25, 2019, 10:51:19 PM
I'm definitely interested.  Is it a dry lube like graphite?  Do you lube the tin and kind of shake it?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 25, 2019, 11:11:06 PM
Its not graphite but you spray it into the tin the close it and gently shake the tin to spread it a round to all of the pellets. Its a dry lube used for hair clippers non petroleum.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 26, 2019, 11:54:09 AM
Hey Tom,

Just a little update on the hunting trip to Winter WI.  I'm using your "hold" and it works best of any others we've tried.  I've got the scope sighted in at the range and shooting 1.5" groups at 30 yards using Crosman domed 14.3gr.  We've had a blast plinking with this setup and completely ditched the 0.17 caliber Gamo for this better caliber.

One note.  Without the BSA 644 silencer the pellets seem to raise up a little bit.  With the silencer the pellets trajectory appears flatter probably do to some lost velocity? The silencer very effectively cancels pellet/air noise too.  We're thinking of bumping up the pellet weight a little bit but very happy with current setup.
 
Took a 20 mile canoe trip down the Thornapple river with the Silent-Summit and got two Rough Grouse from the boat.  Two more grouse near the road the next day and one wild turkey on the dear trail.  No misses thus far.  This gun is awesome.

Happy Trails!
Rebel

Great Post Reb !  Thank you for all the information.

That "style hold" is something that I found works well for me.  You can use it out in the woods hunting too with out bringing  extra equipment along on the hunt.  All you need is a tree or a stout tree branch to use it.  It can also be modified for an off-hand shot.

It sounds like you were having a great time on your trip to Wisconsin.
I used to do a lot of canoe trips myself.

Happy Hunting with you improved... SILENT... Summit Ranger !

Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 26, 2019, 12:15:12 PM
Nice. Why lube the pellets? Probably a dumb question but I didn't know we should.
And how do you like the Hades? You getting good accuracy out of them? I want to try some just have had the opportunity to purchase any.

Dan

You don't absolutely have to lube your pellets. Many folks don't.  It is just something that I do, is all.

Based of this one hunt ( not enough information for a good estimate) it seems that the Hades pellet would be better used on larger small game like a Fox or Raccoon. The pellet pretty much blew right thru this small Red Squirrel. I could not tell by the exit wound if there was much expansion. The pellet has good penetration and was accurate enough for 20 to 30 yard hunting shots. It may be accurate out to 50 yards and beyond...I just don't know. I appears to travel much like a domed pellet would. I would suspect that it would be a Real Hot Performer out of a PCP, shooting it at around 850 to 900 FPS. With a weight of 15.89 gr., the down range energy is there.  I would have to shoot this pellet more on my hunting expeditions to give it a fair and accurate evaluation.  The pellets cost around $20 for a tin of 500 at Pyramid Air. On real small game.... like this RED Squirrel was... I can do as well or better with less expensive pellets. A 117 cal 7.9 gr Destroyer works well out of my Hatsan Striker and would be a better choice for something as small as the Red was.

Now something as large as a Fox or a Raccoon.......that's a different dog there. 

This is where I think these pellets would really Shine and prove themselves as excellent choices.
Hopefully someone else will have better input on the Hades pellet in the Summit Ranger..


Best Wishes - Tom

Title: Up date on the Summit Ranger shooting Hades pellets on SMALL GAME
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 26, 2019, 07:09:44 PM
After I finished the mandatory yard cleanup ( for this time of year) I managed to Harvest a nice Gray Squirrel with the Summit Ranger shooting the Hades 22 cal. 15.89 gr. hunting pellets.  The shot was a quartering away shot from about 25 yards. The pellet entered mid body on the right side just behind the rib cage and passed thru the heart lung area. It broke thru the left shoulder joint bones and rib cage bones and came to a stop just under the skin of the left shoulder. The skin was what stopped the pellet and it almost was a pass thru shot...but not quite. The pellet traveled thru 3 1/2 inches of flesh, internal organs and bone.  I measured this carefully with a tape measure to be exact.

I removed the pellet for your examination. It was almost a pristine pellet with very little deformation.
I am thinking that the Summit Ranger is somewhat under powered to maximize this pellet's expansion capabilities.
In my opinion this is a good hunting pellet. I think it would expand better in a higher powered gun....maybe like a PCP.....or at least one with more power than what the Summit Ranger produces.

Best Wishes - Tom

Here is the pellet that I recovered today.  Click the picture to enlarge the image.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 26, 2019, 07:28:30 PM
Congrats on the gray squirrel. Hmm...I think you may be right about the Hades.

The fox squirrel I shot with the Gamo red fire deformed quite a bit from my summit ranger.

Albeit I don't have a lot of experience with airguns though.  ;D

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on October 26, 2019, 11:58:46 PM
Congrats on the gray squirrel. Hmm...I think you may be right about the Hades.

The fox squirrel I shot with the Gamo red fire deformed quite a bit from my summit ranger.

Albeit I don't have a lot of experience with airguns though.  ;D

Buddyb

Hi Buddy.   

 I posted today's hunt in the Hunting Gate. If you wish to see the squirrel then click this link: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=164283.msg155833743#msg155833743 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=164283.msg155833743#msg155833743)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 04, 2019, 08:29:08 PM
I am going to sight the the Summit Ranger in with Gamo Red Fires again.

I think that I am all done with the 22 cal JSB Hades pellets for now.

They shot accurately enough but the expansion wasn't there with the Summit Ranger.

So what is everybody else using in their Summit Ranger ?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 04, 2019, 11:33:41 PM
I'm using the Gamo red fires in mine with excellent results so far.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 05, 2019, 01:33:00 AM
I'm using the Gamo red fires in mine with excellent results so far.

Buddyb

Thank's Buddy !   
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 05, 2019, 09:31:38 AM
Well I  have the Summit Ranger all setup with 22 cal 15.4 gr. Gamo Redfires ...so now the Real Hunting Begins !   ;D


Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 05, 2019, 04:45:23 PM
Woo-Hoo go get'em. Can't wait to red your stories.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 14, 2019, 04:45:21 PM
After shooting this gun more and more the Gamo Red Fires shoot ok but I've found the crosman piranhas to be more accurate for me. I need to do some longer range shooting with them to be sure though. So far its only been at 11 yards.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 20, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
The Summit Ranger is on sale through tomorrow at PA for $99.95. Iíve had my eye on this one since they first came out. Ordered one in 22 cal. today.....just want Tom to knowĒitís all his faultĒ :o 8)

This will be my first break bbl., so iím Looking forward to trying it out. :D
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 20, 2019, 07:31:39 PM
The Summit Ranger is on sale through tomorrow at PA for $99.95. Iíve had my eye on this one since they first came out. Ordered one in 22 cal. today.....just want Tom to knowĒitís all his faultĒ :o 8)

This will be my first break bbl., so iím Looking forward to trying it out. :D

Hi Buddy !        Congratulations to You !

Let us know how you like this rifle once you get it. I like mine.   Post your information here.

I sure hope there is no shipping problems and you get a good rifle.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 20, 2019, 09:30:06 PM
The Summit Ranger is on sale through tomorrow at PA for $99.95. Iíve had my eye on this one since they first came out. Ordered one in 22 cal. today.....just want Tom to knowĒitís all his faultĒ :o 8)

This will be my first break bbl., so iím Looking forward to trying it out. :D

Hi Buddy !        Congratulations to You !

Let us know how you like this rifle once you get it. I like mine.   Post your information here.

I sure hope there is no shipping problems and you get a good rifle.


Best Wishes - Tom
Thanks Tom,

I was going to get it in .177, but changed my mind at the last minute and went with the .22 lol.
If I like it as much as I think I will( lots of good reviews on it), I may well get another in  .177.

Looks like I finally caught break bbl. fever.... :o
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 21, 2019, 04:04:27 PM


Thanks Tom,

I was going to get it in .177, but changed my mind at the last minute and went with the .22 lol.
If I like it as much as I think I will( lots of good reviews on it), I may well get another in  .177.

Looks like I finally caught break bbl. fever.... :o

Buddy...I think you made a wise decision starting off with a Summit Ranger in 22 cal.

On my recommendation...Arch_E... bought one in 177 cal and he had problems.  He wound up returning his.

Here is a link to his post > https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=139029.msg155811743#msg155811743 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=139029.msg155811743#msg155811743)

It would be helpful to all, if more folks that own one of these rifles would chime in with their experiences.

Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 21, 2019, 06:20:19 PM
Tom,

Iíve got a little Chinese shoot through chrony that seems to be pretty accurate on velocity, and several different pellets waiting to be tried lol.
Iíll post back here on my results for sure.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 21, 2019, 06:54:08 PM
Buddy, I'm curious as to what your results will be. I've only checked one pellet so far on my summit ranger .22. It was with the Gamo Red fires 15.4 gr and they averaged 737 fps.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 21, 2019, 09:03:19 PM
Buddy, I'm curious as to what your results will be. I've only checked one pellet so far on my summit ranger .22. It was with the Gamo Red fires 15.4 gr and they averaged 737 fps.

Buddyb
Buddy,

If it shipped this morning, I might get it by sat., but iím betting it will probably be Monday.
Iíll get started with it as soon as it gets here though. :D
Thanks for your chrono info!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 23, 2019, 11:02:38 PM
Had to work this afternoon, but as I stepped out the door under the carport I noticed a long brown box sitting there lol.

Yeah, I had to take a minute and open it up just to take a quick look at my new Summit Ranger. ;)

After work I cleaned the oil out of the bbl., mounted a Winchester 4 power AO scope on the dovetails and took a few shots from my bench at 20 yds.
The trigger has a fairly long first stage, but comes to a definite stop, then breaks like glass at about 3 to 3 1/2 pounds.
I was surprised when the first initial shots were pretty quite before I began to get a little smoke from the bbl..... I guess excess oil from the compression chamber coming through?

This is my first break bbl., but I made no effort to hold it any different from the bench than any other gun.
I set the forearm in the vee of my front sandbag, set the butt stock in the vee of my offhand, snugged the rifle into my shoulder and proceeded to shoot.

With crosman 14.3 gr. Piranahís, my initial groups were around an inch at 20 yds., but after 26 shots it started giving 3/8 to 5/8Ē five shot groups despite the slight dieseling it was doing.

Next up was gamo 15.89 gr. Mag. Pointed pellets.
I remembered Tom saying this rifle shot a lot of different pellets close to the same poi and the gamos shot to the same poi as the crosman for me. :D
Groups with the gamos were in the 3/8 to 1/2Ē range and this rifle is still breaking in.

Iíll try to get some chrony results soon, but am very pleased with how this rifle is shooting pretty much right out of the box and the fact that I donít know much about how to shoot a springer.
I think it will just get better as the rifle(and me) breaks in more. ;)

I really like this summit ranger so far!!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Dbuettner on November 23, 2019, 11:23:39 PM
You guys are costing me money. I got my .22 last week for that same sale posted earlier.   This little rifle is a beast! What a surprise for the low dollars!

I appreciate all the information you guys posted. Dave
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 24, 2019, 12:28:22 AM
Buddy, glad your enjoying the Summit Ranger.  ;D ;D

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 24, 2019, 01:23:00 AM
Buddy, glad your enjoying the Summit Ranger.  ;D ;D

Buddyb
Thanks Buddy,

Iíve had my eye on them since they first came out and liked Tomís no nonsense review of it.
I really like it and look forward to working more with it.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 24, 2019, 09:33:56 AM
Buddy, glad your enjoying the Summit Ranger.  ;D ;D

Buddyb
Thanks Buddy,

Iíve had my eye on them since they first came out and liked Tomís no nonsense review of it.
I really like it and look forward to working more with it.

Congratulations Buddy !  I am also glad that you like your new Summit Ranger.

Thank you for your post here. This review was meant to be everybody's review.




Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 24, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
Thanks Tom,

Only two cons so far, and since itís a powerful break BLL., it was to be expected.
One is the forearm is a bit wide for me for comfortable carry in the field, but iím Getting used to that already.
Two is the stock screws up front are loosening fairly quickly... from reading I know the fix is to lock tight them, just havenít done it yet as I was having too much fun shooting it lol.... didínt want to wait the 24 hrs. for it to dry!

Is it best to use red, or will blue locktight work?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 24, 2019, 09:19:13 PM
Took a couple hundred shots for the summit ranger to stop all diesling, so I did some chrono tests today.

Gamo 15.42 gr. Magnum pointed
752.7
769.48
751.1
751.1
737.67 for a 19 ft. lb. avg.

Jsb 18.14 gr. Jumbo
744.2
748.1
742.6
747.5
744.8 for a 22 ft. Lb. avg.

Jsb 15.9 Stratton pointed

701.5
712.7
695
718.6
Only shot 4 shots on this one for a 17.5 or 18 ft. Lb. avg.

Jsb 25.4 gr. Monster
561.8
550.7
559.5
559.5
557.8 for a 17.5 or 18 ft. Lb. avg.

This rifle has settled down and is shooting well
with the jsb jumbo, jsb monster, and the gamo magnums.
From a bench rest and using my set 4 power adj. obj. Scope, itís mostly 3/8Ē ( or even a bit less) round holes outside to outside. A few groups have been in 1/2Ēoutside to outside though with those same pellets.
I will be getting a scope with  more power for bench shooting in the future... this rifle deserves it!!

Let me add though, the crosman piranahís iíve been shooting give good groups too, but seem to throw flyers as much as an inch out at times. Some of the crosmans fit snug in the bore, others are real loose, and still others I had to really push hard to get them flush.
Also jsb 13 gr. Domes gave vertical strings as much as 1 1/4Ē.
This rifle so far has given itís best groups with pellets in the 15.4 gr. To 25 gr. Range.

When you find the ones it likes, it shoots very accurately, especially considering the 20 ft lbs. and up that itís capable of delivering. :D


Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 24, 2019, 10:05:57 PM
Thanks for the performance post. Looks like a keeper.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 24, 2019, 10:32:55 PM
Thanks for the performance post. Looks like a keeper.

Buddyb
Buddy,

I was really surprised at the 18 gr. Jsbís shooting almost as fast as the 15.4 gr. Gamoís.
This rifle is a real sleeper at the price itís going for.

Got to get some loctite on the action screws now and then do some offhand shooting and get ready for some hunting! ;D
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 24, 2019, 10:35:48 PM
Yeah that's really good. I have a couple more pellets I need to run though a chrony too. I have some 21 gr barracudas I want to try and some polymags.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 25, 2019, 05:03:38 PM
Yeah that's really good. I have a couple more pellets I need to run though a chrony too. I have some 21 gr barracudas I want to try and some polymags.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 27, 2019, 01:54:31 PM
I tried the barracuda 21.14gr and was amazed at the accuracy at 10 yards....10 shots, 9 in the same hole and one off to the side which could have been me. I was shooting at the orange point on the right so the flyer is on the left. The line on the left by the flyer is my black sharpie line where I marked it.

I just ordered a light kit for my chronograph so I can use it in the basement. I should be able to get some numbers up next week if the kit works.

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 27, 2019, 04:24:22 PM
Nice Buddy, very nice. :D . Will be watching for your chrony results.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 28, 2019, 02:13:48 AM
I tried the barracuda 21.14gr and was amazed at the accuracy at 10 yards....10 shots, 9 in the same hole and one off to the side which could have been me. I was shooting at the orange point on the right so the flyer is on the left. The line on the left by the flyer is my black sharpie line where I marked it.

I just ordered a light kit for my chronograph so I can use it in the basement. I should be able to get some numbers up next week if the kit works.

Nice Buddy, very nice. :D . Will be watching for your chrony results.

I'm watching for Summit Ranger posts from ...Both of you guys.  ;)

Also I am watching for posts from any other Summit Ranger owners, that would care to add their input.  :)


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: DanD on November 28, 2019, 02:31:58 AM
Hi, Tom,
I picked one up a while ago from the Midway sale. It makes about 19 fpe and accuracy is poor. It has a lot of sideplay at the barrel pivot which I plan on addressing eventually. I'll report back if it improves.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 28, 2019, 12:42:53 PM
Hi, Tom,
I picked one up a while ago from the Midway sale. It makes about 19 fpe and accuracy is poor. It has a lot of sideplay at the barrel pivot which I plan on addressing eventually. I'll report back if it improves.

Gee Dan...I am so sorry to hear that.  Mine is tight as can be and it is highly accurate.

As long as you are in there... you might want to install brass pivot washers and then lock-tight all the screws.



Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: air-rebel on November 28, 2019, 01:24:01 PM
Hey Tom, and all Summit Rangers,

Since I am a bow and arrow guy by default and with rifle season open in Wisconsin now I am back in California after literally 60 contiguous days in forests of northern Wisconsin.

I have to share this follow up with you.... 

After having such great success in the field with the SR and after posting to you all my previous positive experience, wouldn't you know it but the next day all *(&^ broke loose.  I couldn't hit a thing with the SSR nor SR, neither could my retired-marine brother.  We both looked at each other and shook our heads.  So back to the range with targets and rifle rest we went.  But to our surprise the SR was still a tack driver using the same Crosman domed 14.3gr pellets and no adjustments to the scope, silencer or SR were required.  It seems that the both of us had forgotten how to shoot that morning :) .  I think I was not exhaling on the trigger pull enough to slow my upper body down but who knows.  All is well again with shooter and rifle combo.

This thing is a great rifle and I am are extremely happy with it.   A second turkey on the last day of the season 22nd November was easily dispatched at 20yrds.  Then once back at the truck where we are dropping our gear, my brother gets giddy and whispers "grouse" reaches in, grabs the SR, turns and plinks the bird 20 feet from us.

Happy Thanksgivings to all Rangers!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: air-rebel on November 28, 2019, 02:30:33 PM


Crosman website has the Summit Ranger 0.22 on Sale today for $69.99

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 28, 2019, 02:46:06 PM


Crosman website has the Summit Ranger 0.22 on Sale today for $69.99

Wow Air-Rebel...Good Deal.

I wonder if the AGNATION discount still works there.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 28, 2019, 02:59:38 PM


Crosman website has the Summit Ranger 0.22 on Sale today for $69.99

Wow Air-Rebel...Good Deal.

I wonder if the AGNATION discount still works there.


Best Wishes - Tom

AGNATION did not work ...BUT there is FREE Shipping on Friday's  ;D


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 28, 2019, 04:35:51 PM


Crosman website has the Summit Ranger 0.22 on Sale today for $69.99

Wow Air-Rebel...Good Deal.

I wonder if the AGNATION discount still works there.


Best Wishes - Tom

AGNATION did not work ...BUT there is FREE Shipping on Friday's  ;D


Best Wishes - Tom
Lol,
Does that mean you have another one on the way? ;)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 28, 2019, 05:09:41 PM


Crosman website has the Summit Ranger 0.22 on Sale today for $69.99

Wow Air-Rebel...Good Deal.

I wonder if the AGNATION discount still works there.


Best Wishes - Tom

AGNATION did not work ...BUT there is FREE Shipping on Friday's  ;D


Best Wishes - Tom
Lol,
Does that mean you have another one on the way? ;)

No Buddy I did not order another Summit Ranger. .....I was just checking on how this Hot Tip would work.

I have enough rifles to hunt with....... for the rest of my hunting days.... that I have left to me.

I am 70.... and I figure maybe 15 or 20 more hunting years max.

I am in very good physical condition for my age and I work really hard at staying in shape... so that I can extend my hunting years as long as possible.

I can still do most of the things that I always have done...so I am looking forward to many more hunting years.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 28, 2019, 07:47:08 PM
Tom,

Iím betting on many more years of hunting for you!

I noticed my Ranger was not ďrestĒ sensitive at all from the bench... I can just lay the forearm on the front bag and can lay the rear stock in the vee of my off hand, or can hold the forearm with my off hand on the bag, and it makes no difference in poi.

I sighted in this way, but when I started shooting offhand standing, sitting, and kneeling, I was shooting 2Ē low and a half inch right :o.
So, I re-sighted in for offhand shooting and again, found no sensitivity in hand position on the rifle. It doesínt seem to matter at all if I use an artillary hold, or close my fingers around the stock.... hits the same poi.

This is my first break bbl., so my question is, is it normal for them to shoot to a different poi from the bench vs. offhand using the same hold technique on the rifle?

It may be the hard packed front rest i was using from the bench,so when I get home tonight, I may try a folded towel and rest the rifle on my hand on top of the towel and see how that works compared to shooting offhand.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 28, 2019, 08:31:12 PM
Tom,

Iím betting on many more years of hunting for you!

I noticed my Ranger was not ďrestĒ sensitive at all from the bench... I can just lay the forearm on the front bag and can lay the rear stock in the vee of my off hand, or can hold the forearm with my off hand on the bag, and it makes no difference in poi.

I sighted in this way, but when I started shooting offhand standing, sitting, and kneeling, I was shooting 2Ē low and a half inch right :o.
So, I re-sighted in for offhand shooting and again, found no sensitivity in hand position on the rifle. It doesínt seem to matter at all if I use an artillary hold, or close my fingers around the stock.... hits the same poi.

Question #1 This is my first break bbl., so my question is, is it normal for them to shoot to a different poi from the bench vs. offhand using the same hold technique on the rifle?

It may be the hard packed front rest i was using from the bench,so when I get home tonight, I may try a folded towel and rest the rifle on my hand on top of the towel and see how that works compared to shooting offhand.

Hi Buddy !

I can't speak to bench shooting nor do I know anything about that way of shooting.

I always have my break barrels sighted & zeroed in the same way that I would be shooting &  hunting in the woods.

I don't have a bench rest to shoot from as that would not do me any good while hunting. If I am shooting in my back yard I brace the rifles on an upright door frame and shoot them like I was bracing on a tree or tree branch. It is either that ...or I shoot off-hand.
This is just what works out best for me and what I do. I don't think there is anything wrong with bench shooting..I just don't do it is all.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 28, 2019, 09:06:50 PM
Ok, thanks Tom.

One thing is for sure, either from the bench or offhand, these SR rifles are super accurate!
 I am very happy with this one.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 28, 2019, 09:27:40 PM
Ok, thanks Tom.

One thing is for sure, either from the bench or offhand, these SR rifles are super accurate!
 I am very happy with this one.

Buddy......maybe some of the other Summit Ranger folks can give you some good information on bench shooting this rifle.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 29, 2019, 03:00:54 AM
Okay,

Totally different story shooting from the bench tonight.
Last night when I was sighting in when shooting offhand, I was shooting low and right from my bench sight in.... but I was fighting a trigger that had a hard, gritty spot in it right a trigger break.

Long story short, my next to last shot from a sitting offhand position I felt what I thought was the trigger break, but nothing happened.
I kept pulling on the trigger and finally the gun shot.
I thought something had broken for sure, but I tried another shot anyway, and to my surprise, I had a much smoother trigger pull.

Tonight I re- sighted in from the bench, and now the only difference in shooting offhand is it shoots exactly 1Ē lower, but dead in line center wise :o :D.
So...8 clicks difference in elevation when shooting from the bench, and 8 clicks down when shooting offhand. I tried it several times to make sure.
That gritty spot in the trigger was pulling me down and right when shooting offhand before it smoothed out I guess.

Iíve got to learn how to post pics from my I phone... this rifle is shooting phenomenal groups from the bench.
Crosman hollowpoints are shooting just as well as anything iíve tried so far.
Iím already wanting to try a .177 cal. In this rifle before the Black Friday sale goes off.... going to be hard to resist.
Donít need one.... just want it lol!




Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 29, 2019, 05:19:13 PM
Here are the stats for the 21.14 gr Barracudas with 5 shots.

641 fps
638
646
638
633

AV 639, FPE 19.17, ES 13, SD 4

I think those numbers are pretty good and accuracy is excellent.

Buddyb

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on November 29, 2019, 05:36:33 PM
Buddy, those are good noís. For a 21 gr. Pellet.
These rifles certainly arenít giving up much in the way of speed per grain of pellet. :D

Hhhmmmm, I think I may grab one of the 22 pellet molds from NOE and give them a try!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 29, 2019, 09:28:04 PM
Here are the stats for the 21.14 gr Barracudas with 5 shots.

641 fps
638
646
638
633

AV 639, FPE 19.17, ES 13, SD 4

I think those numbers are pretty good and accuracy is excellent.

Buddyb

Great Write-up Buddy.  ;)     

A lot of good info here.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 29, 2019, 09:29:47 PM
Okay,

Totally different story shooting from the bench tonight.
Last night when I was sighting in when shooting offhand, I was shooting low and right from my bench sight in.... but I was fighting a trigger that had a hard, gritty spot in it right a trigger break.

Long story short, my next to last shot from a sitting offhand position I felt what I thought was the trigger break, but nothing happened.
I kept pulling on the trigger and finally the gun shot.
I thought something had broken for sure, but I tried another shot anyway, and to my surprise, I had a much smoother trigger pull.

Tonight I re- sighted in from the bench, and now the only difference in shooting offhand is it shoots exactly 1Ē lower, but dead in line center wise :o :D.
So...8 clicks difference in elevation when shooting from the bench, and 8 clicks down when shooting offhand. I tried it several times to make sure.
That gritty spot in the trigger was pulling me down and right when shooting offhand before it smoothed out I guess.

Iíve got to learn how to post pics from my I phone... this rifle is shooting phenomenal groups from the bench.
Crosman hollowpoints are shooting just as well as anything iíve tried so far.
Iím already wanting to try a .177 cal. In this rifle before the Black Friday sale goes off.... going to be hard to resist.
Donít need one.... just want it lol!

Say Buddy.....it looks like you got the bench shooting down pat.  ;)


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on November 30, 2019, 02:11:40 AM
I ordered a .22 Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle based on Toms recommendation. It came today. Gotta say, I'm highly disappointed w/ it. It's not Toms fault, it's PA's fault. They sold me a dud.

I had requested their 10 for 10 service, thinking they'd select a good one for me. They didn't.

PA tested this rifle with .22 RWS Hobby 11.9 grain pellets. It's velocity was chronographed and the velocity for each shot are as follows.

#1-780.86, #2-781.82, #3-788.18, #4- 796.79, #5-777.55, #6- 783.95, #7-779.50, #8-781.87, #9-782.12, #10-777.65. For an average velocity of 783.03 and energy of 16.2 fpe.

One might think the PA tester would have noted the lower velocity and selected another one for me. Guess not.

NP2 power? I'm thinking this is more like Crosman .22 Optimus using the B-19 platform type power.

I bought this rifle w/ the expectation of it being a 21 fpe air rifle (having read through this particular thread which has some great posts on it).

A review I saw at PA for the Crosman .22 Valiant SBD NP2 was chronying at 840 fps w/ the RWS Hobby 11.9 grain pellets for 18.6 fpe. Another review for the Benjamin Trail NP2 showed velocities w/ RWS Hobby's 11.9 gr @ 910-960 fps w/o break -in or cleaning the barrel.

I cleaned the barrel w/ Goo Gone. Took 4 patches to get it clean. I'm getting 1 inch groups at 10 yards using AA 16 grainers and Crosman Dome 14.3's. I can't figure out if the piston seal is bad or the powerplant is.

PA's return policy not worthy too. I'm looking at a 20% loss and shipping charges I paid and will have to pay if I return it.

Sorry for the whiny post, guys. I expected better from this rifle. *Shrugs*.

Caveat Emptor, I guess.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 30, 2019, 08:21:11 AM
I ordered a .22 Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle based on Toms recommendation. It came today. Gotta say, I'm highly disappointed w/ it. It's not Toms fault, it's PA's fault. They sold me a dud.

I had requested their 10 for 10 service, thinking they'd select a good one for me. They didn't.

PA tested this rifle with .22 RWS Hobby 11.9 grain pellets. It's velocity was chronographed and the velocity for each shot are as follows.

#1-780.86, #2-781.82, #3-788.18, #4- 796.79, #5-777.55, #6- 783.95, #7-779.50, #8-781.87, #9-782.12, #10-777.65. For an average velocity of 783.03 and energy of 16.2 fpe.

One might think the PA tester would have noted the lower velocity and selected another one for me. Guess not.

NP2 power? I'm thinking this is more like Crosman .22 Optimus using the B-19 platform type power.

I bought this rifle w/ the expectation of it being a 21 fpe air rifle (having read through this particular thread which has some great posts on it).

A review I saw at PA for the Crosman .22 Valiant SBD NP2 was chronying at 840 fps w/ the RWS Hobby 11.9 grain pellets for 18.6 fpe. Another review for the Benjamin Trail NP2 showed velocities w/ RWS Hobby's 11.9 gr @ 910-960 fps w/o break -in or cleaning the barrel.

I cleaned the barrel w/ Goo Gone. Took 4 patches to get it clean. I'm getting 1 inch groups at 10 yards using AA 16 grainers and Crosman Dome 14.3's. I can't figure out if the piston seal is bad or the powerplant is.

PA's return policy not worthy too. I'm looking at a 20% loss and shipping charges I paid and will have to pay if I return it.

Sorry for the whiny post, guys. I expected better from this rifle. *Shrugs*.

Caveat Emptor, I guess.

Bob..I'm so sorry that you are having problems with your Summit Ranger. 
Arch_E had problems with his rifle too. 
Do you know how well your gun is grouping shots... at 25 or 30 yards ?
On a side note...I think, out of curiosity, I would try to contact Crosman customer support and see just what a different NP2 gas Ram and Piston seal would cost. That might be cheaper than a return to PA.


On returning your rifle to PA...I am surprised that PA is not more supportive of you. Have you tried posting all of this, in a New Topic message... to PA's Gate here in the GTA ?    Sometimes that helps.  Here is their Link > https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=148.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=148.0)

Some years back, I bought a Refurb 2100 direct from Crosman on a Black Friday sale. I got the gun and a box of pellets for $39.
Long story short...Crosman replaced the refurb rifle 3 times until I got a good one...all at no cost to me.
The last rifle that they sent me was not a refurb and a service tech took it apart for an inspection then tested the gun thoroughly before they sent it to me. I took me 4 months and 3 rifles but the last one was really nice.


Best Wishes - Tom

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 30, 2019, 10:28:54 AM
PA was good at taking my rifles back, I had 2 Benjamin Trails that were bad. I called them and got a RMA number and they paid shipping as well.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on November 30, 2019, 12:19:59 PM
Thanks for the tips, Tommy. I haven't tested it at 25 or 30 yards yet. I shot about 25 pellets yesterday at 10 yards to sight it in. I'm getting 1 inch 5 shot groups w/ AA 16 gr Diabolo Fields and Crosman 14.3 gr Domes.

I don't like the trigger. If I keep it, an SLT trigger kit is definitely in the forecast. I may just go to Home Depot Monday and get a .026 wire spring to replace the .530'', .035 wire OEM spring. 

I'll do 25 yard testing at a local park on Monday.

That's a good idea about calling Crosman support. I'll do that on Monday too.

I emailed PA and told them why I was dissatisfied. I didn't know PA had a Gate here. That's a good idea about starting a new topic. I'll probably do that. I figure the 10 for 10 tester wasn't trained right and/or they didn't teach him about bad piston seals, leaky gas pistons, etc. Being a tester he should have known the velocity was way too low and selected another rifle (or 2 or even 3) for testing.

Thanks for your help and good advice.

Best Wishes to you too ... Bob.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 30, 2019, 02:38:18 PM
Thanks for the tips, Tommy. I haven't tested it at 25 or 30 yards yet. I shot about 25 pellets yesterday at 10 yards to sight it in. I'm getting 1 inch 5 shot groups w/ AA 16 gr Diabolo Fields and Crosman 14.3 gr Domes.

I don't like the trigger. If I keep it, an SLT trigger kit is definitely in the forecast. I may just go to Home Depot Monday and get a .026 wire spring to replace the .530'', .035 wire OEM spring. 

I'll do 25 yard testing at a local park on Monday.

That's a good idea about calling Crosman support. I'll do that on Monday too.

I emailed PA and told them why I was dissatisfied. I didn't know PA had a Gate here. That's a good idea about starting a new topic. I'll probably do that. I figure the 10 for 10 tester wasn't trained right and/or they didn't teach him about bad piston seals, leaky gas pistons, etc. Being a tester he should have known the velocity was way too low and selected another rifle (or 2 or even 3) for testing.

Thanks for your help and good advice.

Best Wishes to you too ... Bob.

Bob

PA defiantly reads the posts in that Gate.  It as helped others to post about there problems there.

I am keeping my fingers crossed &  hoping that you will get a successful resolution on your rifle.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on November 30, 2019, 04:40:29 PM
Thanks for the tips, Tommy. I haven't tested it at 25 or 30 yards yet. I shot about 25 pellets yesterday at 10 yards to sight it in. I'm getting 1 inch 5 shot groups w/ AA 16 gr Diabolo Fields and Crosman 14.3 gr Domes.

I don't like the trigger. If I keep it, an SLT trigger kit is definitely in the forecast. I may just go to Home Depot Monday and get a .026 wire spring to replace the .530'', .035 wire OEM spring. 

I'll do 25 yard testing at a local park on Monday.

That's a good idea about calling Crosman support. I'll do that on Monday too.

I emailed PA and told them why I was dissatisfied. I didn't know PA had a Gate here. That's a good idea about starting a new topic. I'll probably do that. I figure the 10 for 10 tester wasn't trained right and/or they didn't teach him about bad piston seals, leaky gas pistons, etc. Being a tester he should have known the velocity was way too low and selected another rifle (or 2 or even 3) for testing.

Thanks for your help and good advice.

Best Wishes to you too ... Bob.

Bob

PA defiantly reads the posts in that Gate.  It as helped others to post about there problems there.

I am keeping my fingers crossed &  hoping that you will get a successful resolution on your rifle.


Best Wishes - Tom

Thanks Tom.

I made the thread at the PA gate. I shot another 5 shot group at 10 yards. This time w/ Benjamin 14.3 gr HP's. PA included a 500 pellet can of them w/ my order. I haven't opened that can yet, but was using an older can I have of them.

This time I shot my 1st 0.5 inch group w/ the SR. I'm starting to like it. I sure wish I had a chrony to see what the velocity is for them. Based on what the 11.9 Hobbies did, I presuming 735-750 fps or so.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 30, 2019, 05:02:14 PM
Thanks for the tips, Tommy. I haven't tested it at 25 or 30 yards yet. I shot about 25 pellets yesterday at 10 yards to sight it in. I'm getting 1 inch 5 shot groups w/ AA 16 gr Diabolo Fields and Crosman 14.3 gr Domes.

I don't like the trigger. If I keep it, an SLT trigger kit is definitely in the forecast. I may just go to Home Depot Monday and get a .026 wire spring to replace the .530'', .035 wire OEM spring. 

I'll do 25 yard testing at a local park on Monday.

That's a good idea about calling Crosman support. I'll do that on Monday too.

I emailed PA and told them why I was dissatisfied. I didn't know PA had a Gate here. That's a good idea about starting a new topic. I'll probably do that. I figure the 10 for 10 tester wasn't trained right and/or they didn't teach him about bad piston seals, leaky gas pistons, etc. Being a tester he should have known the velocity was way too low and selected another rifle (or 2 or even 3) for testing.

Thanks for your help and good advice.

Best Wishes to you too ... Bob.

Bob

PA defiantly reads the posts in that Gate.  It as helped others to post about there problems there.

I am keeping my fingers crossed &  hoping that you will get a successful resolution on your rifle.


Best Wishes - Tom

Thanks Tom.

I made the thread at the PA gate. I shot another 5 shot group at 10 yards. This time w/ Benjamin 14.3 gr HP's. PA included a 500 pellet can of them w/ my order. I haven't opened that can yet, but was using an older can I have of them.

This time I shot my 1st 0.5 inch group w/ the SR. I'm starting to like it. I sure wish I had a chrony to see what the velocity is for them. Based on what the 11.9 Hobbies did, I presuming 735-750 fps or so.

Bob

Unfortunately for me.... I do not have a chronograph either. 
I judge, if something is not right.. by the way my gun hunts as compared to my other rifles.

I saw your post in the PA gate and posted to it myself. 
Hopefully some of the other GTA folks, that own a Summit Ranger, will post to it too.
That would be a good way to demonstrate support for a fellow GTA member, and show interest in your problem.
This could have been ME ....or anyone else ....that bought their rifle at PA.
We all have a common interest in this issue.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 30, 2019, 07:25:41 PM
Here are the stats for the 14.3 gr CPHP with 5 shots.

812 fps
749
736
804
783

AV 776, FPE 19.13, ES 76, SD 33

The Barracudas performed much better although the fps was lower and much more accurate. The CPHPs gave me a little over an inch group.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 30, 2019, 07:57:47 PM
Here are the stats for the 14.3 gr CPHP with 5 shots.

812 fps
749
736
804
783

AV 776, FPE 19.13, ES 76, SD 33

The Barracudas performed much better although the fps was lower and much more accurate. The CPHPs gave me a little over an inch group.

Buddyb

Thank You Buddy.  ;)

Bob...do you see these numbers ?


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: DanD on November 30, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
Here are the stats for the 14.3 gr CPHP with 5 shots.

812 fps
749
736
804
783

AV 776, FPE 19.13, ES 76, SD 33

The Barracudas performed much better although the fps was lower and much more accurate. The CPHPs gave me a little over an inch group.

Buddyb
I'd figure those numbers would come from a bad piston seal.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 30, 2019, 08:57:15 PM
Dan are you figuring that because of the extreme spread?

The Barracudas only had an extreme spread of 13.

The FPS is about the same as other numbers I have seen.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: DanD on November 30, 2019, 09:15:54 PM
Dan are you figuring that because of the extreme spread?

The Barracudas only had an extreme spread of 13.

The FPS is about the same as other numbers I have seen.

Buddyb

Yes,  I was. 13 fps spread is excellent.  No bad seal there.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 30, 2019, 09:34:18 PM
Wish I knew why some pellets shoot different than others, at least for me they do.

I've heard some people say it isn't the pellet its the shooter. I can argue that point with a chronograph though. ;D

I have to shoot the pellet that I can shoot accurately.



Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on November 30, 2019, 09:43:36 PM
Buddy

Each and everyone has to figure out what works for them....you found what works for you.  That's what counts in the end.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on November 30, 2019, 10:57:13 PM
Thanks Tom, that's a better way of saying it.  ;D ;D

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on November 30, 2019, 11:06:31 PM
PA was good at taking my rifles back, I had 2 Benjamin Trails that were bad. I called them and got a RMA number and they paid shipping as well.

Buddyb

That's all I want. An exchange for a NP2 Summit Ranger that is up to proper standards and they pay for shipping.

I now know I should be getting an 864 fps average w/ 11.9 gr Hobbies rather than the 783 fps average I'm getting now.

I think it was this thread I read where someone was getting 757 fps w/ AA 16 gr's and 727 fps w/ AA 18 grainers.

Those numbers were what decided me. My Benjy gets around 575 fps w/ the 18 gr's. I was tickled pink at the thought of the SR shooting them 150 fps faster.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on December 01, 2019, 03:28:52 AM
Here are the stats for the 14.3 gr CPHP with 5 shots.

812 fps
749
736
804
783

AV 776, FPE 19.13, ES 76, SD 33

The Barracudas performed much better although the fps was lower and much more accurate. The CPHPs gave me a little over an inch group.

Buddyb
Buddy,

This is what my SR chronoed with the cphp 14.3 gr. Pellets
751.4
754
754.7
754.7
749.4
For a 753 FPS. Avg. and 18 ft. Lbs.

Looks like weíre fairly close on the noís.My rifle however, stacks these pellets at 20 yds. benched.
Itís always strange to me how 2 rifles of the same brand can shoot the same pellet so differently lol.
Iíve seen the same thing in pb rifles many times too. :D

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on December 01, 2019, 10:26:50 AM
Buddy,

That is excellent consistency, mine were all over the place. Your right it is definitely a dilemma how the same model guns can shoot different.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: mikeyb on December 01, 2019, 02:26:06 PM
Suggest caution when evaluating an air rifle with unsorted CPHP pellets. I've had a wide variation in velocities with CPHP that correlated with pellet "fit" in the breach. Pellet size from the same tin varied from snug to loose to "ouch" tight in the breach. Had very consistent velocity numbers and really good groups from the "just snug" pellets. Wide velocity swings and flyers on the loose and tight fit pellets.

Just recently I pushed a couple CPHP through a Crosman Vantage NP barrel to find and repair a bad factory muzzle crown (actually a burr). After I polished a nice new crown I pushed a few CPHP through to check the rifling mark pattern. Found NICE crisp rifling marks on the tail, but NO marks at all on the heads. That suggests (to me) that unsorted CPHP won't ever be the best pellet for this barrel. Target groups with these pellets confirm that I need to keep looking for a better fitting more consistent pellet for this particular rifle.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on December 05, 2019, 06:41:14 PM
Here are the stats for the 16 gr Predator Polymags

750 fps
732
744
735
731

avg 738, es 19, sd 8, fpe 19.35

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on December 06, 2019, 11:36:28 PM
Thought it might help to have data in one place. Note this is from my gun yours may be different.

Crosman Summit Ranger
[td colspan="2"]Caliber
   
 [td colspan="2"]Pellet      
 [td colspan="2"]Wgt/Grains      
 [td colspan="2"]Vel/fps    
 [td colspan="2"]Avg 5 shots      
 [td colspan="2"]Hi/Low      
 [td colspan="2"]ES/SD
 [td colspan="2"]FPE

 0.22
 H&N Barracuda
 21.14   
 639
 646/633
 13/4
 19.17

 0.22
Predator
Polymag
16
738
750/731
19/8
19.35

 0.22
 Crosman
 Pointed HP
 14.3
 776
 812/736
 76/33   
 19.13

 0.22
 Crosman Piranha
 14.3
 762
 793/752
 87/35   
 18.44

 0.22
 Gamo Red Fire
 15.4
 771
 784/771
 23/8
 20.33

   






Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on December 07, 2019, 12:42:48 AM
sorry it won't let me modify the text. There must be a time limit while your modifying data.

buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: only1harry on December 07, 2019, 01:30:08 AM
Buddy, just post the new numbers if there are typo's - new post.

You cannot edit your posts after a couple of hours or something like that.  I cannot remember the exact timeout for editing, but do not post with the intend to go back later and edit it or add new info to your post.  Just start a new post.

Harry
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on December 07, 2019, 01:31:26 AM
Thanks Harry, the numbers are right I wanted to clean it up and make it look better.

Buddy
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on December 07, 2019, 10:55:44 AM
Lets try this:
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 07, 2019, 03:19:38 PM
Fed Ex delivered my replacement Summit Ranger an hour ago. I cleaned the barrel with Goo Gone using 3 feet of 60 lb monofilament I used as a bore snake and a few patches. It's now sighted in at 10 yards with Benjamin 14.3 gr HP's. I'm not shooting anything better than a 5 shot inch group yet.

This one has a nice CBT trigger though. The OEM trigger spring is .252" OD of .035" wire and .530" long

I was going to bike over to Home Depot and get a few .252 springs of 0.26 wire, same OEM length and a little longer than OEM length. I may hold off on that. At least for the weekend. I'll probably get the CBR trigger kit eventually.

The 10 for 10 that Seth Browning: PA Tech & Returns manager; did for my SR shows velocities of: 1199.58, 883.38, 892.17, 909.46, 909.32, 907.96, 903.69, 917.46, 910.69, 911.72.

I figure the 1st shot was a dieseling detonation. Seth says the avg fps for it is 934.53. I re-added the 9 subsequent shots and divided by 9 getting 904.5 fps. I'm happy w/ that. I figure by the time I get it broke in, it will be getting similar velocities to Buddy's, and Kinney Kormandy's SR's and everybody else's.

Me really likey this one so far.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 07, 2019, 03:21:10 PM
Lets try this:

Ooooh ... 771 fps w/ Gamo Red Fires? I LIKE THAT !
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on December 07, 2019, 05:19:17 PM
Fed Ex delivered my replacement Summit Ranger an hour ago. I cleaned the barrel with Goo Gone using 3 feet of 60 lb monofilament I used as a bore snake and a few patches. It's now sighted in at 10 yards with Benjamin 14.3 gr HP's. I'm not shooting anything better than a 5 shot inch group yet.

This one has a nice CBT trigger though. The OEM trigger spring is .252" OD of .035" wire and .530" long

I was going to bike over to Home Depot and get a few .252 springs of 0.26 wire, same OEM length and a little longer than OEM length. I may hold off on that. At least for the weekend. I'll probably get the CBR trigger kit eventually.

The 10 for 10 that Seth Browning: PA Tech & Returns manager; did for my SR shows velocities of: 1199.58, 883.38, 892.17, 909.46, 909.32, 907.96, 903.69, 917.46, 910.69, 911.72.

I figure the 1st shot was a dieseling detonation. Seth says the avg fps for it is 934.53. I re-added the 9 subsequent shots and divided by 9 getting 904.5 fps. I'm happy w/ that. I figure by the time I get it broke in, it will be getting similar velocities to Buddy's, and Kinney Kormandy's SR's and everybody else's.

Me really likey this one so far.
What pellet was used for the 10 for 10 test?
Congrats on your new SR.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on December 07, 2019, 05:37:47 PM
Fed Ex delivered my replacement Summit Ranger an hour ago. I cleaned the barrel with Goo Gone using 3 feet of 60 lb monofilament I used as a bore snake and a few patches. It's now sighted in at 10 yards with Benjamin 14.3 gr HP's. I'm not shooting anything better than a 5 shot inch group yet.

This one has a nice CBT trigger though. The OEM trigger spring is .252" OD of .035" wire and .530" long

I was going to bike over to Home Depot and get a few .252 springs of 0.26 wire, same OEM length and a little longer than OEM length. I may hold off on that. At least for the weekend. I'll probably get the CBR trigger kit eventually.

The 10 for 10 that Seth Browning: PA Tech & Returns manager; did for my SR shows velocities of: 1199.58, 883.38, 892.17, 909.46, 909.32, 907.96, 903.69, 917.46, 910.69, 911.72.

I figure the 1st shot was a dieseling detonation. Seth says the avg fps for it is 934.53. I re-added the 9 subsequent shots and divided by 9 getting 904.5 fps. I'm happy w/ that. I figure by the time I get it broke in, it will be getting similar velocities to Buddy's, and Kinney Kormandy's SR's and everybody else's.

Me really likey this one so far.
What pellet was used for the 10 for 10 test?
Congrats on your new SR.


Congratulations Bob...This is a successful resolution.     I am happy for you sir.

Best Wishes - Tom

Buddy this a Quote from  Bob's Post at the PA Gate.

Quote
As it happens, my first SR had issues. It gets 783 fps w/ Hobby 11.9 gr pellets. This one gets 905 fps w/ the same pellet. If not for the 10 for 10 test, I never would have known the difference.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on December 07, 2019, 06:11:58 PM
Glad you got your new gun and it all worked out.

Buddyb

PS, that Gamo Red Fire low fps should have been 761 and the average 771
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on December 07, 2019, 07:19:26 PM
Thanks for the ten for ten chrony info Tom.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 08, 2019, 01:10:54 PM
Thanks Tom for your help and for everybody else's help too.

This SR has a lot better CBT trigger than the first one too. I can actually feel the 1st and 2nd stages. The first one just had a long heavy pull to it.

If you've ever had a lightweight .38 snubbie, then you know how you have to concentrate to keep the front sight down during a double action pull. That 1st SR was the same way. During the long trigger pull, the muzzle would rise.

I'm kind of strange when it comes to target practice anyway. I like to practice in low light situations. Shadowy areas during the daytime and shooting by the light of the security light in my backyard at night.

Sometimes it's difficult to detect muzzle rise when the front sight is obscured by a shadow. But I managed it w/ that first one. It was that bad.

I'll probably end up getting a CBR trigger kit for it. It's just not as great a priority as yet as it would have been w/ the 1st one. A CBR trigger would have been a ASAP necessity then.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 08, 2019, 01:18:09 PM
Glad you got your new gun and it all worked out.

Buddyb

PS, that Gamo Red Fire low fps should have been 761 and the average 771

Yeah, I figured the average was 771. I like Gamo Red Fires. Last critter I shot was a 3 foot long water snake while fishing w/ my housekeeper. I used a .22 Red Fire to blow out it's side using my Crosman Backpacker.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on December 08, 2019, 11:52:50 PM
Well guys,

After 1600 shots taken over the couple of weeks iíve had my SR, it hasínt changed itís stats at all.

14 gr. Crosman hpís @ 753 FPS. @ 18 ft. Lbs.

15.4 gr. Gamo magnums @ 752 FPS. @ 19 ft. Lbs.

18.1 gr. Jsb jumbos @ 747 FPS. @ 22 ft. Lbs.

This rifle remains astoundingly accurate with crosman hpís, so I want to get some 14.3 gr. And 19 gr. Crosman domes to try in it.

The cheap $30.00 winchester(made by Daisy) 4x AO scope has held itís zero through all of my testing, so this rifle is definitely Not a scope destroyer.
My absolute only complaint is the long , grungy trigger pull.
Let me quickly add though, for a $100.00 dollar rifle
that wonít break a cheap scope, and shoots cheap crosman pellets into just under and just over 1/4Ē c/c groups at 20 yds. for 5 shots Benched  consistently:o, complaining about the trigger is foolish on my part!
Besides, thatís fixable. ;)

All I can add at this point is the fact that cold bbl. first shots are dead center, just like subsequent warm bbl. shots... very important for hunting.

Yeah, I think itís safe to say ď I really like the Summit Ranger!Ē :D

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on December 09, 2019, 12:46:04 AM

"My absolute only complaint is the long , grungy trigger pull."


Buddy have you tried adjusting the CBT trigger yet ?     

Mine is fairly crisp and I don't think it is overly long at all.

Especially so.... in comparison to the older Crosman Non CBT triggers, that are on their older NP rifles.

You could install a CDT CBR trigger but I think I would try and adjust this one first.

You have to remember that the trigger on a break barrel has to hold back the force of the power plant...and do it safely.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on December 09, 2019, 02:43:06 PM

"My absolute only complaint is the long , grungy trigger pull."



Buddy have you tried adjusting the CBT trigger yet ?     

Mine is fairly crisp and I don't think it is overly long at all.

Especially so.... in comparison to the older Crosman Non CBT triggers, that are on their older NP rifles.

You could install a CDT CBR trigger but I think I would try and adjust this one first.

You have to remember that the trigger on a break barrel has to hold back the force of the power plant...and do it safely.


Best Wishes - Tom

Tom,

I have adjusted the trigger. It was tightened all the way down from the factory
It seems at itís best about two turns counter clockwise from bottomed out though.

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on December 09, 2019, 05:28:47 PM
Up date on the trigger.....

I took another turn counter clockwise, which I mentioned in a previous post, is where ďwhatever( burr) broke off the triggerĒ, and things got smoother.

It has a totally slack first stage and about 3 to 3 1/2 lb. Second stage now.

If it stays like that... then no more trigger complaints! :D

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 16, 2019, 12:59:46 PM
Hey Guys: I have a question. Has anyone at GTA done any business with M*Carbo?

Reason I ask is that I ordered an SLT trigger kit from them ... they call it the ... Benjamin Trail NP2 Pro Trigger Upgrade Kit .

Here's the link: https://www.mcarbo.com/benjamin-trail-np2-pro-trigger-kit.aspx (https://www.mcarbo.com/benjamin-trail-np2-pro-trigger-kit.aspx)

They claim they send the order out the same day and it takes 3-5 days to get to the customer.

I ordered the kit, last Friday. Today they sent an email claiming USPS was unable to verify my address. The address they gave in the email was my mailing address and believe me, USPS does know my address.

Is M*Carbo a good merchant or are they a phishing rip off website,is what I'd like to know.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on December 16, 2019, 05:07:20 PM
Hey Guys: I have a question. Has anyone at GTA done any business with M*Carbo?

Reason I ask is that I ordered an SLT trigger kit from them ... they call it the ... Benjamin Trail NP2 Pro Trigger Upgrade Kit .

Here's the link: https://www.mcarbo.com/benjamin-trail-np2-pro-trigger-kit.aspx (https://www.mcarbo.com/benjamin-trail-np2-pro-trigger-kit.aspx)

They claim they send the order out the same day and it takes 3-5 days to get to the customer.

I ordered the kit, last Friday. Today they sent an email claiming USPS was unable to verify my address. The address they gave in the email was my mailing address and believe me, USPS does know my address.

Is M*Carbo a good merchant or are they a phishing rip off website,is what I'd like to know.

I, personally, have never heard of this place ...so I don't know. 
I do know that a CBR trigger from CDT ( Charlie Da Tuna ) can be ordered for the Summit Ranger.
uglymike bought one and put it on the rifle that he later sent to buddyb.
I think that buddyb really likes his trigger.
PM him and see what he has to say about it.
I left the stock(CBT) trigger on my rifle.
I thought it was a Big Improvement over past Crosman triggers and was good enough for the hunting that I do.



Best Wishes - Tom


Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 16, 2019, 07:00:42 PM
Hey Guys: I have a question. Has anyone at GTA done any business with M*Carbo?

Reason I ask is that I ordered an SLT trigger kit from them ... they call it the ... Benjamin Trail NP2 Pro Trigger Upgrade Kit .

Here's the link: https://www.mcarbo.com/benjamin-trail-np2-pro-trigger-kit.aspx (https://www.mcarbo.com/benjamin-trail-np2-pro-trigger-kit.aspx)

They claim they send the order out the same day and it takes 3-5 days to get to the customer.

I ordered the kit, last Friday. Today they sent an email claiming USPS was unable to verify my address. The address they gave in the email was my mailing address and believe me, USPS does know my address.

Is M*Carbo a good merchant or are they a phishing rip off website,is what I'd like to know.

I, personally, have never heard of this place ...so I don't know. 
I do know that a CBR trigger from CDT ( Charlie Da Tuna ) can be ordered for the Summit Ranger.
uglymike bought one and put it on the rifle that he later sent to buddyb.
I think that buddyb really likes his trigger.
PM him and see what he has to say about it.
I left the stock(CBT) trigger on my rifle.
I thought it was a Big Improvement over past Crosman triggers and was good enough for the hunting that I do.



Best Wishes - Tom

I had seriously considered ordering the CBR trigger from CDT and still might. But, I don't like CDT's policy of having to send in a money order to do it.

My housekeeper and I scoured Home Depot and Lowes last Friday along w/ a couple of other hardware stores looking for a sear .026 wire spring w/ the .530 L and .252 D and had no luck. Neither did I have any luck looking it up online except for one place called Granger Industries.

Otherwise, the SLT trigger kit is only available from ebay. M#Carbo claims they shipped my trigger kit as of 1 this afternoon. The email they sent doesn't have any tracking info on it....'Tracking Info was sent in an automated email.  Should be received shortly.'

If I actually end up getting it long about Friday, I'll let you guys know how it does.

I've been getting 0.75 groups w/ the stock CBT trigger and Benjy 14.3 gr HP's. After doing the 3 full counter clockwise turns w/ the adjustment screw that Tom was talking about. He was right. The 1st stage becomes totally slack. I should probably test every .22 pellet I have and see what I get.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 16, 2019, 07:04:13 PM
Ooops. I whined too soon about M#Carbo. They just sent an email w/ tracking info from USPS. It should be here by Saturday.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on December 16, 2019, 09:36:35 PM
Sorry, I just saw this post about the trigger Tom. I haven't adjusted the CBT trigger at all I like it right where it is. I don't know what the pull pressure is but it isn't a hair trigger and not too stiff either.

Buddyb
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: DanD on December 17, 2019, 02:12:57 AM
My barrel had a lot of sideplay so I installed some brass washers which made a big difference.  I also stuffed a block of duct seal in the buttstock, put a lighter spring in the trigger, and found a pellet it likes better than most - jsb heavy .22. I can group maybe .3 to .4 inches ctc for 10 shots at 10m which is much better than I was getting before. I can get some lucky 3 or 5 shot groups that are practically one hole,  but I can't hold it together for 10 shots.
I read somewhere the barrel is threaded 1/2 unf and verified it's true. A can makes it much quieter for indoor shooting.
Have fun!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 21, 2019, 08:38:52 PM
Benjamin Trail NP2 Trigger Spring Kit Installation Video by MCARBO

https://www.mcarbo.com/benjamin-trail... (https://www.mcarbo.com/benjamin-trail...)

Benjamin Trail NP2 Pro Trigger Upgrade Kit.  Nearly a 70% Trigger Pull Reduction with the benjamin trail np2 trigger fix!
***Pro Kit no longer includes Stock Screws due to the wide variation of stock screw hardware used from the factory.***
Benjamin Trail NP2 Pro Trigger Upgrade Kit Includes:
Custom designed lighter Trigger Return Spring
Stainless Steel Trigger Shims (2)
Pre-Travel Set Screw
Synthetic Grease w/ PTFE
3mm Hex Key
1.5mm Hex Key

Best Benjamin Trail NP2 trigger for the money!
Now a real Benjamin Trail trigger adjustment.

Reduce your Benjamin Trail NP2 Trigger Pull from a Stock 5.5 lbs to a modified 1.75 lbs with the Benjamin Trail NP2 Pro Trigger Upgrade Kit by M*CARBO. The Pro Kit also includes Custom Stainless Steel Trigger Shims to prevent side to side trigger wobble. Plus Upgraded Black Oxide Coated Steel Stock Screws and Pre-Travel Adjustment Screw.

Matching Hex Keys are also included with kit plus Syntheitc Grease with PTFE to provide a smoother trigger pull. Custom Trigger Return Spring is made of the highest quality spring steel available, right here in the USA. Installation of our Benjamin Trail NP2 Pro Parts Kit does not require any permanent modifications.

One of the Best Benjamin Trail NP2 Mods for your Air Rifle! The 60% Lower Trigger Pull will further enhance the performance and accuracy of your Benjamin Trail NP2 Air Rifle or compatible Crosman Air Rifle variations listed below for the benjamin trail np2 trigger mod.

M*CARBO now offers the Benjamin Trail NP2 Trigger Adjustment Solution that fits and functions on a wide variety of Crosman Benjamin Air Rifles. Let us know if you have another air rifle trigger upgrade in mind or other benjamin trail np2 mods.

Fits and Functions in the following Crosman Benjamin NP2 Air Rifles:
Benjamin Trail NP2 Synthetic Black
Benjamin Trail NP2 Hardwood

Any break barrel air rifle with the Crosman - Benjamin Trigger as shown with ĒYesĒ in the info-graphic image above. Best Benjamin Trail NP2 Mods Available for the Clean Break Trigger Mod Fix Upgrade. Fits and Functions with older plastic Crosman triggers only. Crosman recently switched production to a Steel Trigger with a completely different trigger mechanism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfMs_RL_-1Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfMs_RL_-1Q)

I was looking for the SLT trigger kit and found this. Same price roughly.  It installed easily. My Crosman SR is curing now. Turns out the blue Loctite I thought I had is Loctite Super Glue in a blue bottle. Still needs 24 hour curing though regardless.

Long about 12:30 pm tomorrow, I'm gonna be doing me some shooting ... w/ the new 1.75 lb trigger pull.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on December 22, 2019, 03:19:01 PM
Welp, I just tried out my SR w/ the Benjamin Trail NP2 Trigger Spring Kit now in it. Before, I had been shooting 0.75 inch groups at 10 yards w/ the trigger adjustment screw backed off 3 full turns counter clockwise.

Now, I'm shooting groups between 0.25 and 0.50 w/ Benjamin 14.3 gr HP's. First group was 0.50. Using my reading glasses to see the front sight, the target bulls eye was out of focus. So I enlarged the bulls eye a little to see it better. Then proceeded to shoot two groups of roughly 0.25 inside it and another bulls eye I enlarged.

I'll be sighting it in for 25 yards tomorrow at a local park (and teaching my housekeeper basic marksmanship w/ a Daisy 415 CO2 pistol). After that, I think it's time to find a decent scope for this rifle.

I have a Barska 4X AO on my .177 Crosman Optimus. Since the SR is a tad heavier (although it doesn't seem like it) than the Optimus, I think I need a slightly lighter scope than the Barska.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on January 17, 2020, 07:20:17 PM
Heh.

I was just reading this description of the Diana 350 Magnum Striker Combo at Pyramid Air.

It says: Tech specs: Our tech department tested the .22 rifle with a 14-grain pellet and got 850 fps. Lighter pellets will deliver higher velocities, heavier pellets will deliver lower velocities.

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-350-magnum-striker-combo?m=1864 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-350-magnum-striker-combo?m=1864)

And I was thinking ... 'Well heck, so does the .22 Crosman Summit Ranger'.

I didn't quite realize the SR was in Diana 350 territory though. Good to know. *Two thumbs up for the SR*

I recently put a Winchester 2-7X-32mm-AO on mine. It's a tack driver.

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on January 17, 2020, 07:33:13 PM
Heh.

I was just reading this description of the Diana 350 Magnum Striker Combo at Pyramid Air.

It says: Tech specs: Our tech department tested the .22 rifle with a 14-grain pellet and got 850 fps. Lighter pellets will deliver higher velocities, heavier pellets will deliver lower velocities.

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-350-magnum-striker-combo?m=1864 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-350-magnum-striker-combo?m=1864)

And I was thinking ... 'Well heck, so does the .22 Crosman Summit Ranger'.

I didn't quite realize the SR was in Diana 350 territory though. Good to know. *Two thumbs up for the SR*

I recently put a Winchester 2-7X-32mm-AO on mine. It's a tack driver.
Have you chronoed it with a 14.3 gr. Pellet?
Mine came shooting a 14.3 gr. at 753 FPS. Out of the box.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on January 17, 2020, 09:26:48 PM
Heh.

I was just reading this description of the Diana 350 Magnum Striker Combo at Pyramid Air.

It says: Tech specs: Our tech department tested the .22 rifle with a 14-grain pellet and got 850 fps. Lighter pellets will deliver higher velocities, heavier pellets will deliver lower velocities.

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-350-magnum-striker-combo?m=1864 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-350-magnum-striker-combo?m=1864)

And I was thinking ... 'Well heck, so does the .22 Crosman Summit Ranger'.

I didn't quite realize the SR was in Diana 350 territory though. Good to know. *Two thumbs up for the SR*

I recently put a Winchester 2-7X-32mm-AO on mine. It's a tack driver.
Have you chronoed it with a 14.3 gr. Pellet?
Mine came shooting a 14.3 gr. at 753 FPS. Out of the box.

I didn't chrony mine. The returns and technical manager at PA did. I originally got mine from PA. I got the 10 for 10. The chrony receipt I received showed it was getting an average fps of 783 w/ Hobby 11.9 grain pellets. That was a good 10+% off what the velocity should have been.

So I started a thread at the PA gate.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=165636.new#new (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=165636.new#new)

PA execs replied to the thread, contacted me via email and I sent it back after they put the replacement for it in the mail.

My SR according to the chrony receipt from the RT manager who tested it has an average fps of 905 fps w/ the 11.9 gr Hobbies.

If you have read through this thread you will have seen that many people are getting up to 840 fps w/ various 14.3 gr pellets.

And yeah, it's true a couple of people have reported velocities similar to yours which seem to be 1st gen NP velocity rather than NP2 velocity.

I'd LIKE to think mine gets around 840 fps too; but, it probably doesn't.

Or, it might. There's a 2.4 grain difference between 11.9 grains and 14.3 grains.

There's a vid I posted at that thread by the late Kinney Kormandy. At the time I could post the name of the vid, but not the link.

Benjamin NP2 .22 Cal Pellet Rifle 21.95FPE & Easy to Cock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgACIFEhT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgACIFEhT0)

Kormandy's NP2 got 864 fps w/ the 11.9 Hobbies and around 780-800 fps w/ a couple of 14.3 grain pellets he used.

Mine is supposed to be getting approximately 40 fps more than his did w/ 11.9 Hobbies. That vid and the PA chrony receipt for the 2nd SR are the basis for my analysis.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on January 17, 2020, 11:51:17 PM
Robert,

Sounds like you should be getting at least 800 FPS. With 14.3 gr....maybe a bit more.
The reason I asked is the highest noís. Iíve seen posted on a summit or summit ranger was kennyís 799.7 and BuddyBís 776 FPS. With 14.3 gr.
I did read back through this thread, but I guess I missed the 840 FPS. With 14.3 gr. Pellets again.

I started a thread on the crosman forum here because at between 2500 to 3000 shots, mine has dropped from 753 FPS. To 724 FPS. With 14.3 gr. Cphp pellets.
The general consensus on that thread seems to be a bad piston seal.

Iíve ordered breech and piston seals and even ordered a new gas np2 ram just in case itís the gas ram.
A crosman rep told me he would expect 900 FPS. With 14.3 gr. Pellets, but Kennyís 800 FPS. Is the highest iíve Seen actually chronoed so far on a summit or summit ranger.

I  just thought maybe you had actually chronoed your new one with 14.3 gr. Pellets since you recieved it.
Anyway, I was curious so I have something to compare to when I get mine repaired.




Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on January 19, 2020, 01:58:31 AM
Buddy,

Well heck, I just looked through the thread again and I didn't see any posts of 840 fps w/ 14.3 grain pellets either. I'd have sworn on a stack of Bibles I'd read a post of Toms where he got 840 fps w/ those Piranha's he liked. And, I thought I'd seen a similar post by another person too w/ the same velocity using another brand.

Looks like I had a major brain fart, I guess. I'd better start taking fish oil gel caps again (if I can remember to take them).

Yeah, your velocity could be caused by a bad piston seal. Might be a leaky gas piston too. If the gas piston is leaking, it will be leaking oil is what I've read. And apparently, it happens w/ gas pistons. Not cheap to replace as the piston seal is.

I saw that post you made: Reply #116; where you were getting 744.8 fps for a 22 ft. Lb. avg w/ Jsb Jumbo's. I'm using 18 grain AA Field Heavies in mine. I'd like to think I'm getting similar velocities. I thought they were good for around 727 fps, which I figured was good enough. 744 fps is better though. Heh.

The Diana 350 at 850 fps w/ a 14.3 gr pellet gets 22.9 fpe. That's only a 0.9 difference.

The SR is a real sleeper.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on January 19, 2020, 12:21:29 PM
Buddy,

It was too late to edit my post so I'll add this.

I was looking at your 'Summit Ranger NP2 velocity loss' thread and saw where Crosman sells gas rams for $8.15. That's outstanding. PA sells them for $49.95.

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/cr-nitro-piston-fits-select-benjamin-crosman-air-rifles?a=3830 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/cr-nitro-piston-fits-select-benjamin-crosman-air-rifles?a=3830)

I'm really going to have to shop Crosmans more instead of PA.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on January 19, 2020, 04:29:58 PM
Robert,

Wow, that is a big price difference! The crosman rep was kind enough to look the ram up for me as I couldínt find it on their web.
The one he sent was part #NP214-012, so I hope thatís the right ram.
Oh, and the price was $8.35 instead of $8.15, I just looked back at the price sheet, so I made a mistake there.
Hhhhmmmm, I hope thatís not a regular np ram?

Iíve never worked on a break bbl. before( just pumpers), but this rifle is so darned accurate, I didínt want to chance them sending another rifle instead of fixing it for me, so this will be a ďfirstĒ for me :o.
I ďthinkĒ the piston seal probably got nicked on installation at the factory the way itís acting.

Really didínt think I would like break bbls., but this rifle has made me a believer!
Iím totally sold on the Summit Ranger despite the minor problem I ran into with this one.... same could happen with any new rifle.

I may eventually order the trigger kit you posted on. Thanks for the links on that, sounds like a great upgrade to an already great rifle.  :D:D!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on January 19, 2020, 08:31:01 PM
Well,

I put silicone oil in my air chamber 2 days ago, but got the same low 724 FPS. With cphpís.

BUT, after sitting for 2 days with the oil in it, today itís back to 753 FPS.
May be just putting a bandaid on a problem, but at least I wonít be tearing it down for a look now till at least after hunting season!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on January 20, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
Well,

I put silicone oil in my air chamber 2 days ago, but got the same low 724 FPS. With cphpís.

BUT, after sitting for 2 days with the oil in it, today itís back to 753 FPS.
May be just putting a bandaid on a problem, but at least I wonít be tearing it down for a look now till at least after hunting season!

Sounds like the silicone oil did the trick for you, after all. But, if not you have an extra NP to replace it if need be.

I got into break barrels almost a couple of years ago when I bought four .177 Crosman Optimuses Walmart was having a 47% off sale on. I like the Optimus OK; but, I like the SR better. I have to use the artillery hold w/ the Optimus w/ my free hand just forward of the trigger guard for accuracy and w/ the SR I can use the modified artillery hold Tom recommended. Much more comfy

I like pumpers too. I nailed a pigeon off my bird feeder this morning. I used my .22 Backpacker for it. Turns out I just grazed it's head (it was bobbing it's head back & forth at the time). Sucker isn't even bleeding anywhere. Should've used my Benji 392 instead, perhaps.

I gave it to my cat. ATM it's in my bathroom in the corner perched on a toilet brush holder.  She's just watching though. She's lazy during the daytime. I figure between 9 and 12 tonight, she'll get it. She usually turns into a predator then.

OTOH, it may turn out tomorrow I'll have to either get a cage for it or finish it off myself.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on January 20, 2020, 08:47:14 PM
Lol, you have to be a good shot to just knock them out and catch them like that ;) :o 8)!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on January 20, 2020, 11:49:36 PM
A little game I like to play every now and then w/ the squirrels that eat too much of the bird feed, (I don't begrudge them the peanuts in the feed), is to shoot a couple of inches from their snouts, so that they hear and feel the pellet zipping past them.

It's very entertaining watching them leap for their lives.

Pigeons though irk me. They're bullies that crowd the smaller songbirds and doves from the feeder. Plus a single pigeon or two can gobble all the bird food down in just a few minutes.

I usually put a cup of feed in the feeder in the morning, so that my cat has 'TV' to watch for the better part of the day until it's time for her afternoon  nap.

The squirrels and pigeons know me, lemme tell ya. All I have to do is pop the lock on the back door and they usually boogie. I have to be vewy, vewy, quiet to be able to get a shot off.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: RobertMcC on February 09, 2020, 11:46:29 AM
I bought one and I think it will be the last Crosman break barrel ill ever buy.

I found that the barrel was crooked, The space between the receiver and barrel isn't the same on each side. The front sight needs a flat spot to keep upright, or a setscrew. There is 5 holes drilled in the barrel, 4 being tapped. Which isn't inline with the barrel and makes the rear sight crooked. So basically iron sights are pointless on it.

The plastic anti bear trap lever broke. There isn't a EVP so not sure where I'm going to get the part # for that part.

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Back_Roads on February 09, 2020, 11:53:41 AM
 Wow I think that gun was supposed to go to Ultramarine in France  ??? ;D
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: uncle paulie on February 13, 2020, 07:34:49 AM
I bought one and I think it will be the last Crosman break barrel ill ever buy.
I found that the barrel was crooked, The space between the receiver and barrel isn't the same on each side. The front sight needs a flat spot to keep upright, or a setscrew. There is 5 holes drilled in the barrel, 4 being tapped. Which isn't inline with the barrel and makes the rear sight crooked. So basically iron sights are pointless on it.

The plastic anti bear trap lever broke. There isn't a EVP so not sure where I'm going to get the part # for that part.

Just a thought, but did you contact Crosman for a replacement? I would give them the opportunity to make it right before throwing them to the wolves.

pv
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: RobertMcC on February 13, 2020, 09:42:09 AM
I bought one and I think it will be the last Crosman break barrel ill ever buy.
I found that the barrel was crooked, The space between the receiver and barrel isn't the same on each side. The front sight needs a flat spot to keep upright, or a setscrew. There is 5 holes drilled in the barrel, 4 being tapped. Which isn't inline with the barrel and makes the rear sight crooked. So basically iron sights are pointless on it.

The plastic anti bear trap lever broke. There isn't a EVP so not sure where I'm going to get the part # for that part.

Just a thought, but did you contact Crosman for a replacement? I would give them the opportunity to make it right before throwing them to the wolves.

pv


To get another replacement the same? I had a Ruger, it took 3 rugers to replace one before I said, no more. I'm not buying another Ruger again. The quality control was less than par. And it was things like bent sights, crooked holes. I got a H&R that was brand new, that I'm waiting on a replacement for a bent barrel. Actually that the same shop as Crosman up here.

Crosman isn't gonna fix the many drilled holes in the barrel, Because they must be using old barrels. Rather then designing a new rear sight base that matches up with the holes, they drill more. The dried up oil, they are going to be on all guns. I haven't been able to wipe it off, without damaging the finish. They are not going to fix the front sight design that is flawed because you can bump the front sight and have it moved.

Cheaping out on a plastic bear trap lever, thats 4$, but Ill need to spend 70$ for them to fix it. Building them much cheaper, but charging way more. Your paying 200$ plus for these rifles, with the same quality as a 50$ B1. I was lucky to get this for 143$, but they are going for 249-280$. But still cost me over 200$, by time taxes and shipping.

I mean they cannot even get bluing done right. Guns still rust.

So they been building airguns for soo long? Go back to quality vs quantity.  It's a PITA to warranty guns up here, and I'm not paying 40$ both ways for shipping. Crosman threw their self to the wolves years ago, when they started to cheap out on the quality.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: uncle paulie on February 14, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
I would still call them and if you explain the situation and ask very nicely,  they may just send you a return postage sticker and send you a new gun. JTOL!

pv
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: RobertMcC on February 14, 2020, 10:51:04 AM
I would still call them and if you explain the situation and ask very nicely,  they may just send you a return postage sticker and send you a new gun. JTOL!

pv

Thanks, but if you read my first reply. I'm going to end up with a rifle, the same. Many holes drilled into the barrel, un reliable iron sights due to nothing to keep the front sight from clocking, plastic bear trap lever, weak bluing, dried cosmo, rust  (was some flaky yellow and green stuff on the barrel ) HECK even the NP logo on the barrel is starting to come off. And nothing rubs against it.

Also shipping to the shop isn't covered, they only cover the return. Crosman is the same warranty center as where I sent my H&R to. I was lucky to keep that under 1 meter that kept the shipping cost low ish ( still was close to 35 CAD ) Unfortunately the Summit ranger is over a meter, and will cost me extra 10$ ontop of the 35$. So I'm looking at another 50 CAD in shipping. To be not impressed.

So for 40 CAD ( 30 USD )I just bought 2 spare bear trap lever, and shroud parts to hide the barrel. Knowing what I noticed with this one, like I said, will be my last break barrel from them.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on May 24, 2020, 12:05:24 AM
Picked up a Summit Ranger today for one great price. Cleaned the barrel, made sure all screws were tight and started the break in. Only thing so far that really bugs me the rear sight has to go way left to get it on at fifteen yards. Will put the rounds through it the next couple of days.    Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Lt. Dan on May 24, 2020, 07:55:46 AM
Picked up a Summit Ranger today for one great price. Cleaned the barrel, made sure all screws were tight and started the break in. Only thing so far that really bugs me the rear sight has to go way left to get it on at fifteen yards. Will put the rounds through it the next couple of days.    Mike
I've been fortunate in my purchases that all only required a click or three off center. I've heard of bending a drooping barrel on a break barrel, although I  would be afraid to attempt it, do you think bending the barrel is an option?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on May 24, 2020, 10:13:54 AM
Hey Dan thanks for the reply,hope all is well. I will just shoot as is for a while,really nice little gun.  I got this gun to leave a open sight shooter, not going to start bending barrels. It's going to be a pick up truck/trapline gun. Love fooling with new guns, cleaning barrel which was in bad shape, breaking in etc. I will keep everyone updated. Take care.    Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on May 24, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
Forgot to ask about the trigger, have you done anything with yours.    Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on May 24, 2020, 10:23:03 AM
I got my SR on black Friday a year ago at an amazing price.  It shot very accurately at 30 yards. 


After a few tins it started making a honking noise so I tore it down, cleaned, de burred, sized the piston seal, lubed lightly with Krytox and reassembled.


 The shot cycle sounded better than when new.  Groups at 30 yds went from dimes and nickels to more like a half dollar.  What did I do to make that happen?  Did I take too much off the seal?  Did I use too much Krytox?  Looked inside and nothing obviously wrong.  Been shooting it on and off hoping it would get somehow get better.  ::)


A couple of weeks ago I checked the screws and all were still snug.   BUT... I noticed the barrel pivot was loose just enough that then the gun was cocked and the barrel was 90 degrees to the rest of the gun there was some play between the barrel block and the fork it sits in.  For the life of me I could not tell you how I never noticed it before, and i had even readjusted the pivot screw since reassembly.

I tightened it up a bit and the magic was back.  WOOHOO!  I really do enjoy shooting this gun.

When I check my screws and pivot tension I normally check for any wiggle at the pivot point but for some reason had not  done so on this gun.
Lesson learned!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on May 24, 2020, 10:27:40 AM
The brass washer pivot mod is really easy to do. I will do mine as soon as it goes south but just breaking in for now. Now that I think of it it could be my site issue.   Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: mikeyb on May 24, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
Picked up a Summit Ranger today for one great price. Cleaned the barrel, made sure all screws were tight and started the break in. Only thing so far that really bugs me the rear sight has to go way left to get it on at fifteen yards. Will put the rounds through it the next couple of days.    Mike

I believe your front sight is just rotated a tiny amount off-center. It doesn't take much to have the rear sight windage maxed out to get on target. Please try aligning the front sight before you bend a straight barrel ;)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on May 24, 2020, 10:35:01 AM
Mine just needed to be a little bit tighter.  Now that you mention the brass washers, I will keep an eye on the plastic washers for wear.

Don't forget there is a set screw locking the pivot screw in place.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on May 24, 2020, 10:47:07 AM
How should I go about getting it straight the correct way with our damaging it.   Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: mikeyb on May 24, 2020, 11:00:40 AM
How should I go about getting it straight the correct way with our damaging it.   Mike



Set your rear sight windage to "zero", loosen the threaded muzzle protector, rotate the front sight, then retighten the end cap.

You will likely need to do this several times to get it dialed in. I got mine very close (but not perfect) and then just fine tuned with a few clicks of the rear sight windage.


fyi... rear and front sight are mounted on barrel and barrel block. While a loose pivot does cause poor accuracy it will not affect open sight alignment.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on May 24, 2020, 11:02:42 AM
Thanks, did not know it could be loosened.    Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Lt. Dan on May 24, 2020, 11:10:22 AM
Forgot to ask about the trigger, have you done anything with yours.    Mike
Humor and old man...which trigger would that be ? 
The Parrus .177 or the Parrus .22 ?
Well the answer to both rifles is nothing.  Both of those triggers were just like I like them. I found no need to adjust them.

Is yours not that great?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Lt. Dan on May 24, 2020, 11:11:01 AM
Thanks, did not know it could be loosened.    Mike
Me either. But neither do I own that particular rifle.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on May 24, 2020, 11:20:47 AM
Hey Dan sorry but took it for granted t hat you had a Summit Ranger, lol. Better go get one so we can be on the same page, hope you know I am just kidding. But it is a pretty cool little gun if it is still a  Crossman.    Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: mikeyb on May 24, 2020, 11:22:41 AM
Thanks, did not know it could be loosened.    Mike

I thought it was a nice feature that this is the only breakbarrel I have with a 1/2-20 UNF threaded muzzle for mounting aftermarket suppressors. It's not really that useful because the muzzle noise is pretty quiet as-is. Spring piston action mechanical noise dominates my rifle and a suppressor does nothing to quiet that.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Lt. Dan on May 24, 2020, 03:23:01 PM
Hey Dan sorry but took it for granted t hat you had a Summit Ranger, lol. Better go get one so we can be on the same page, hope you know I am just kidding. But it is a pretty cool little gun if it is still a  Crossman.    Mike
Hey Mike. No I don't have Summit Ranger,  I  just asked my wife if I could get one, she asked if I had JUST bought 4 new air rifles.  I said yes. And she asked WHY . I accidentally mentioned that you thought I should get one.

SHE WANTS YOUR PHONE NUMBER.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on May 24, 2020, 03:31:48 PM
Actually mine had a pretty good bark.  I grabbed Crosman threaded baffle and a length of CF tube, mad a barrel spacer and it made a huge difference.  I know, I know, piston guns are not supposed to have a muzzle report unless going trans-sonic, detonating, or whatever else may cause it but mine sure made noise.  The shot cycle is a nice smooth solid thunk and not too loud. 

To make sure I will shoot without my half shroud setup to see if it was just during break-in but I don't think so.  I had cleaned the barrel.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on May 24, 2020, 09:04:08 PM
*(&^ Dan one more mad at me is no big deal. My granddaughters still love me. Still think you should get one. I got a real good deal on mine so I could not pass it up. Eighty two bucks out the door.      Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on May 25, 2020, 12:35:13 AM
Actually mine had a pretty good bark.  I grabbed Crosman threaded baffle and a length of CF tube, mad a barrel spacer and it made a huge difference.  I know, I know, piston guns are not supposed to have a muzzle report unless going trans-sonic, detonating, or whatever else may cause it but mine sure made noise.  The shot cycle is a nice smooth solid thunk and not too loud. 

To make sure I will shoot without my half shroud setup to see if it was just during break-in but I don't think so.  I had cleaned the barrel.
Well, I pulled the half shroud and put 8 or 10  16 gr AA domes through the barrel.  Yup, louder than it should be.  720-740 fps.
Ran some Barracudas and Monsters through it and got much quieter.  18 grs and not quite as lout as the 16s.  Is 720-740 trans sonic?  I'm confused.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on May 25, 2020, 12:38:10 AM
*(&^ Dan one more mad at me is no big deal. My granddaughters still love me. Still think you should get one. I got a real good deal on mine so I could not pass it up. Eighty two bucks out the door.      Mike
I concur Dan, mine was $69 to the door.  AMAZING gun under when $100.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Lt. Dan on May 25, 2020, 07:17:07 AM
*(&^ Dan one more mad at me is no big deal. My granddaughters still love me. Still think you should get one. I got a real good deal on mine so I could not pass it up. Eighty two bucks out the door.      Mike
I concur Dan, mine was $69 to the door.  AMAZING gun under when $100.
I kinda of half way looked around to try to find one, but I couldn't locate one below $99.99.
Well, maybe it wasn't meant for me to have one. I remember a while back seeing these cheap but decided against it. I have a Crosman Genesis NP1 .22  and a Benjamin Prowler NP1 .22 (in a Vantage stock).  My Benjamin Prowler is super accurate.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: mikeyb on May 25, 2020, 08:49:28 AM
*(&^ Dan one more mad at me is no big deal. My granddaughters still love me. Still think you should get one. I got a real good deal on mine so I could not pass it up. Eighty two bucks out the door.      Mike
I concur Dan, mine was $69 to the door.  AMAZING gun under when $100.
I kinda of half way looked around to try to find one, but I couldn't locate one below $99.99.
Well, maybe it wasn't meant for me to have one. I remember a while back seeing these cheap but decided against it. I have a Crosman Genesis NP1 .22  and a Benjamin Prowler NP1 .22 (in a Vantage stock).  My Benjamin Prowler is super accurate.

IMO the Summit Ranger (excellent open sights) is very similar to my Benjamin Prowler (no open sights) and Crosman Shockwave (good open sights). Stocks are different of course, but they all fit and feel good to shoot. Similar power plants, shot cycle, and accuracy. My chronograph indicates the Summit Ranger is launching pellets with a little more (1 or 2) fpe, but I don't feel much difference between the NP1 and NP2 gas springs.

Maybe the NP2 "feels" a little easier to cock? That could be a false perception and I'd need to set up some sort of cocking force scale to verify. Since cocking force is not on my list of important attributes (yet), that won't happen anytime soon. I'm going to go against popular opinion on the CBT because I actually prefer the older trigger (with polish and a longer screw) over the new CBT trigger (modified or not).

You really are not missing out on anything special. Mine was an IMPULSE purchase just because Midway had them on sale last year for ~$75. That's a little more than what I paid for each of my other Crosman/Benjamin rifles in that family (Fire, F4, Prowler, Shockwave, Vantage, etc.).  I'd recommend it at that price or lower if you don't already have 1 (or 5  ;) ) similar Crosman/Benjamin rifles.

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Lt. Dan on May 25, 2020, 09:57:01 AM
*(&^ Dan one more mad at me is no big deal. My granddaughters still love me. Still think you should get one. I got a real good deal on mine so I could not pass it up. Eighty two bucks out the door.      Mike
I concur Dan, mine was $69 to the door.  AMAZING gun under when $100.
I kinda of half way looked around to try to find one, but I couldn't locate one below $99.99.
Well, maybe it wasn't meant for me to have one. I remember a while back seeing these cheap but decided against it. I have a Crosman Genesis NP1 .22  and a Benjamin Prowler NP1 .22 (in a Vantage stock).  My Benjamin Prowler is super accurate.

IMO the Summit Ranger (excellent open sights) is very similar to my Benjamin Prowler (no open sights) and Crosman Shockwave (good open sights). Stocks are different of course, but they all fit and feel good to shoot. Similar power plants, shot cycle, and accuracy. My chronograph indicates the Summit Ranger is launching pellets with a little more (1 or 2) fpe, but I don't feel much difference between the NP1 and NP2 gas springs.

Maybe the NP2 "feels" a little easier to cock? That could be a false perception and I'd need to set up some sort of cocking force scale to verify. Since cocking force is not on my list of important attributes (yet), that won't happen anytime soon. I'm going to go against popular opinion on the CBT because I actually prefer the older trigger (with polish and a longer screw) over the new CBT trigger (modified or not).

You really are not missing out on anything special. Mine was an IMPULSE purchase just because Midway had them on sale last year for ~$75. That's a little more than what I paid for each of my other Crosman/Benjamin rifles in that family (Fire, F4, Prowler, Shockwave, Vantage, etc.).  I'd recommend it at that price or lower if you don't already have 1 (or 5  ;) ) similar Crosman/Benjamin rifles.
I decided last night that since I have my Prowler in a Vantage stock with the GRT-III trigger mod, all the sears polished to a mirror finish, along with 2k+ pellets it shoots a 3/8" to 1/2" at 20 yards. I'm not interested in getting another similar one at this time.  That itch had been scratched.

Thanks for verifying what I had thought.
Stay safe. Hope you and yours have avoided the effects of this pandemic.
Dan
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on May 25, 2020, 11:13:15 AM
My barrel had a lot of sideplay so I installed some brass washers which made a big difference.  I also stuffed a block of duct seal in the buttstock, put a lighter spring in the trigger, and found a pellet it likes better than most - jsb heavy .22. I can group maybe .3 to .4 inches ctc for 10 shots at 10m which is much better than I was getting before. I can get some lucky 3 or 5 shot groups that are practically one hole,  but I can't hold it together for 10 shots.
I read somewhere the barrel is threaded 1/2 unf and verified it's true. A can makes it much quieter for indoor shooting.
Have fun!

Where can I get a can for my SR like the one you have on yours, Dan?
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: DanD on May 29, 2020, 04:30:25 PM
...
I read somewhere the barrel is threaded 1/2 unf and verified it's true. A can makes it much quieter for indoor shooting.
Have fun!

Where can I get a can for my SR like the one you have on yours, Dan?
Hi Robert,
That particular can came with a used rifle, and the previous owner said the guy that sold them isn't making them anymore. You can find 1/2 unf cans on eBay, though.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on May 29, 2020, 05:24:22 PM
Hi Robert,
That particular can came with a used rifle, and the previous owner said the guy that sold them isn't making them anymore. You can find 1/2 unf cans on eBay, though.

Hi Dan. Something like this? For $69 bucks?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-silencer-FEMALE-THREAD-1-2-20-1-2-UNF-SILENCER-ONLY-FOR-AIR-RIFLE/173871049321?hash=item287b85aa69:g:w2kAAOSw5zJcfmj0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-silencer-FEMALE-THREAD-1-2-20-1-2-UNF-SILENCER-ONLY-FOR-AIR-RIFLE/173871049321?hash=item287b85aa69:g:w2kAAOSw5zJcfmj0)

I was kinda hoping one of Geo's LDC's would fit on the SR barrel.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=170209.msg155912027#new (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=170209.msg155912027#new)

Here's one for 'only' $139. (Ouch.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FREE-SHIPPING-hill-airgun-6-moderator-1-2-20-unf-threads/274156372508?hash=item3fd4fe421c:g:kE4AAOSwZJReVrtu (https://www.ebay.com/itm/FREE-SHIPPING-hill-airgun-6-moderator-1-2-20-unf-threads/274156372508?hash=item3fd4fe421c:g:kE4AAOSwZJReVrtu)

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on June 04, 2020, 02:00:45 PM
This gun was a GREAT, GREAT buy. Loving it open sighted.    Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on June 04, 2020, 02:05:57 PM
The all steel open sights sure put all the plastic fiber optic sights to shame, no plastic on the German guns. This gun is going to get torture tested, will keep everyone updated.    Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: SteveP-52 on June 04, 2020, 02:10:19 PM
My barrel had a lot of sideplay so I installed some brass washers which made a big difference.  I also stuffed a block of duct seal in the buttstock, put a lighter spring in the trigger, and found a pellet it likes better than most - jsb heavy .22. I can group maybe .3 to .4 inches ctc for 10 shots at 10m which is much better than I was getting before. I can get some lucky 3 or 5 shot groups that are practically one hole,  but I can't hold it together for 10 shots.
I read somewhere the barrel is threaded 1/2 unf and verified it's true. A can makes it much quieter for indoor shooting.
Have fun!

Where can I get a can for my SR like the one you have on yours, Dan?
Send a PM to rocker1 and chat with him. Have a couple and not one bit disappointed, he does very nice work.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on June 04, 2020, 02:41:06 PM
My barrel had a lot of sideplay so I installed some brass washers which made a big difference.  I also stuffed a block of duct seal in the buttstock, put a lighter spring in the trigger, and found a pellet it likes better than most - jsb heavy .22. I can group maybe .3 to .4 inches ctc for 10 shots at 10m which is much better than I was getting before. I can get some lucky 3 or 5 shot groups that are practically one hole,  but I can't hold it together for 10 shots.
I read somewhere the barrel is threaded 1/2 unf and verified it's true. A can makes it much quieter for indoor shooting.
Have fun!

Where can I get a can for my SR like the one you have on yours, Dan?
Send a PM to rocker1 and chat with him. Have a couple and not one bit disappointed, he does very nice work.

Done. I sent him a PM.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on June 04, 2020, 08:30:49 PM
These NP2 guns are also really easy to work on and maintain when and I been when needed. Really am liking this new cheap gun. Oh that's right I already said that.      Mike
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on June 27, 2020, 03:07:54 AM
Finally got around to replacing the piston seal and ram in my Summit Ranger, which was losing power fast.
Finally got down to the low 720ís with 14.3 gr. Cphp.
This was my first attempt at fixing a break bbl. and I got a lot of help from several members here in a thread I had going on the crosman section here.... Thanks again guys!!!

To make a long story short, I changed the piston seal first and it went down to 715 FPS., so I knew the ram was bad at that point.
Replaced the ram and it avg. 758.6 FPS. for the first 5 shots.... about 5 FPS. faster than the original ram and the piston seal isnít broken in yet. :D
The ĎnewĒ ram crosman sent me was dated July 2018. The old one I took out was from 2017.

This has been a super accurate rifle with several different pellets so it feels really good to get it get it going right again.
Plus I got to learn my way around the internals of a break bbl. ;)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on June 28, 2020, 10:45:22 PM
Forgot to add lol,

I had complained about a gritty, hard trigger before in this thread.
After taking the rifle apart and putting it back together to replace the piston seal and ram, the trigger is nice and smooth now even with the adjustment screw all the way down.
Had to have been some grit or something in the trigger housing that fell out.
So I guess I ď fixedĒ the trigger too 😂  :D

Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 01, 2020, 10:30:08 AM
Just an update: I tried a couple of more different pellets and found the best one for me in this gun, the H&N 16.36 terminators.

Caliber    Pellet                   Wgt Grns     Vel/fps Avg 5 shots      Hi/Low       ES/SD       FPE
.22        H&N Terminator         16.36                775                  780/773        7/2       21.82



Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: uglymike on October 01, 2020, 12:16:27 PM
Just an update: I tried a couple of more different pellets and found the best one for me in this gun, the H&N 16.36 terminators.

Caliber    Pellet                   Wgt Grns     Vel/fps Avg 5 shots      Hi/Low       ES/SD       FPE
.22        H&N Terminator         16.36                775                  780/773        7/2       21.82

Glad to see you're getting some use out of it, have you bloodied it yet?   8)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 01, 2020, 01:43:34 PM
Not yet this year Mike I haven't gone out yet, but I did last year.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on October 01, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
Just an update: I tried a couple of more different pellets and found the best one for me in this gun, the H&N 16.36 terminators.

Caliber    Pellet                   Wgt Grns     Vel/fps Avg 5 shots      Hi/Low       ES/SD       FPE
.22        H&N Terminator         16.36                775                  780/773        7/2       21.82

Glad to see you're getting some use out of it, have you bloodied it yet?   8)

I just ordered one of Geo's 'Hi Performance' 1.2' diameter 7 ' 1/2-20 LDC's for my Summit Ranger.

I am real happy w/ the 'Hi Performance' 7' 'slim LDC' I got from Geo for my Crosman .22 Backpacker.

I haven't bloodied my SR yet either. I haven't finished w/ the 50 yard testing for it. 16 gr. AA's are looking real good so far. 18 gr. AA's were great at 25 yards; but, had too much drop at 50 yards for my liking.

My Backpacker is plenty bloodied though. *Grins*
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on October 01, 2020, 03:39:55 PM
Just an update: I tried a couple of more different pellets and found the best one for me in this gun, the H&N 16.36 terminators.

Caliber    Pellet                   Wgt Grns     Vel/fps Avg 5 shots      Hi/Low       ES/SD       FPE
.22        H&N Terminator         16.36                775                  780/773        7/2       21.82

Looking really good. Have you tried the 15.4 gr Daisy HP's? Amazon had a $7.00 sale on them awhile back. Lots of folks here cornered the market on them. My SR shoots them pretty good out to 30 yards.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HSWR1I/ (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HSWR1I/)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 01, 2020, 05:22:53 PM
I was one of those, I got 8 or 10 tins and should have gotten more.  They shoot pretty well from my SG as well but I cannot fully seat them with my finger and need to use a pellet seater or the skirt can get mashed a bit.  I don't want to have to use a seater.  Mine really likes the AA 16s. 

I really like my SG!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on October 01, 2020, 05:30:08 PM
Thanks for the ammo suggestions, I just bought 5 tins of the H&N terminators so it'll be a while before I buy anymore  pellets ;D

I'm a little naive, what's a LDC? I'm thinking its a noise suppressor of some sort.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on October 01, 2020, 10:36:37 PM
Thanks for the ammo suggestions, I just bought 5 tins of the H&N terminators so it'll be a while before I buy anymore  pellets ;D

I'm a little naive, what's a LDC? I'm thinking its a noise suppressor of some sort.

That's what it is. A noise suppressor.

Take a look at Reply # 183 made by Dan on page 10 of this thread. I've been interested in getting a can for my SR since May. See Reply #226 on page 12. I was steered to Rocker1 who sells them for $55. Geo sells them for less than half of that. It's my understanding Rockers LDC's are about 3 DB's quieter than Geo's.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on October 01, 2020, 10:45:01 PM
I was one of those, I got 8 or 10 tins and should have gotten more.  They shoot pretty well from my SG as well but I cannot fully seat them with my finger and need to use a pellet seater or the skirt can get mashed a bit.  I don't want to have to use a seater.  Mine really likes the AA 16s. 

I really like my SG!

Wow, 10 tins. I got 2 tins of them. They do seat a bit tight in mine too. My SR really likes the AA 16's also. And yeah, I really like my SR too. I need to shoot it more. Probably will after the LDC gets here. It's not that backyard friendly, ATM. I live in an apt complex and do most of my shooting at night after everyone is asleep.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 01, 2020, 11:58:33 PM
I use either a tanto or a crosman baffle stuffed into a length of CF tube and a washer to cap the end that screws onto the barrel.  Both work well and both make a big difference.  My gun has quite a bark.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on October 02, 2020, 12:05:36 PM
Ray,

I know. The town I where I live has a park just on the border of city limits. I do or rather did my 50 yard testing there. Unfortunately, a local car theft ring has been dumping cars there over the spring, so the access road I do my testing on has been closed since May. I can do (up to) 45 yard testing in my backyard at night; but to do that I need my SR to be a lot quieter. That Geo LDC is going to do the trick for that.

As it happens, a man made ditch/storm drain runs through the middle of the property of my apt complex. In my backyard. Fenced on both sides. Over the years its turned itself into sort of a creek. Plenty of wildlife. Including coons & possums. I see hawks sitting on the fence occasionally.

I keep a bird feeder in my backyard to attract more wildlife.

I may see about doing my shooting in the ditch itself or alongside of it during the daytime. Gotta thin out the water moccasins that are there 1st, but after that it should make a good spot. Distance wise, 50 yard and farther testing would be easy to do.

Better to wait until after the 1st frost though. Otherwise, the mosquito's will eat me alive.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: superchikn on October 02, 2020, 12:14:39 PM
Bob,
Geo's LDC will do the job very nicely.  I have several of his builds and they are all excellent.  His prices are very reasonable and he is a great guy!
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on October 02, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
Bob,
Geo's LDC will do the job very nicely.  I have several of his builds and they are all excellent.  His prices are very reasonable and he is a great guy!

I don't doubt it, Ray. I got one of his 'Hi Performance' 7' 'slim LDC' s for my flat topped .22 Backpacker and it quieted it down nicely. I've been shooting my Backpacker for the past few nights and nary anyone has known I was doing it. I'll be even happier when he gets some .22 Beeman P-17 barrels back in stock. I asked him about that and since the demand for his LDC's is high right now, most of his time has been spent in meeting that demand.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on October 07, 2020, 12:13:36 PM
My  'Hi Performance' 1.2' diameter 7 ' 1/2-20 LDC for my Crosman .22 Summit Ranger NP2 arrived yesterday. It works great. Inside it is mouse fart quiet. Outside at night it is a tad louder than a mouse fart; but, nothing like it had been.

Inside: oddly enough; a fart is exactly what it sounds like.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on January 16, 2021, 03:09:48 AM
Well,

After close to 4000 shots and changing my piston seal after the first one failed on me...

Crosman domes 14.3 gr. at 3 ft. from the muzzle....
754.7 FPS.
756.6
756.0
755.3
756.0
Total of 755.7
Add 4 ft. FPS. for at the muzzle velocity for
759.7 and 18.3 ft. lbs.

Not the 800 plus FPS. some are getting with 14.3  gr. pellets, but still right where this one has shot with the crosmans all along right out of the box.
Glad I picked one of these rifles up before they discontinued them. ;)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on January 16, 2021, 09:14:16 AM
Well,

After close to 4000 shots and changing my piston seal after the first one failed on me...

Crosman domes 14.3 gr. at 3 ft. from the muzzle....
754.7 FPS.
756.6
756.0
755.3
756.0
Total of 755.7
Add 4 ft. FPS. for at the muzzle velocity for
759.7 and 18.3 ft. lbs.

Not the 800 plus FPS. some are getting with 14.3  gr. pellets, but still right where this one has shot with the crosmans all along right out of the box.
Glad I picked one of these rifles up before they discontinued them. ;)

Me too Buddy !

Mine shoots strong and has good accuracy too.

This summer I was placing head shoots, " Dead Center Between The Eyes," on chipmunks at 35 yards with my Summit Ranger rifle.

> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=176173.msg155993120#msg155993120 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=176173.msg155993120#msg155993120)


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on January 16, 2021, 11:03:10 AM

Mine shoots strong and has good accuracy too.

This summer I was placing head shoots, " Dead Center Between The Eyes," on chipmunks at 35 yards with my Summit Ranger rifle.

Best Wishes - Tom

Hey Tom, I noticed you're using Crosman .22 Destroyers. If they're accurate in yours, they're likely accurate in mine. I'll have to get some of those. I have plenty in .177 caliber.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on January 16, 2021, 03:39:24 PM

Mine shoots strong and has good accuracy too.

This summer I was placing head shoots, " Dead Center Between The Eyes," on chipmunks at 35 yards with my Summit Ranger rifle.

Best Wishes - Tom

Hey Tom, I noticed you're using Crosman .22 Destroyers. If they're accurate in yours, they're likely accurate in mine. I'll have to get some of those. I have plenty in .177 caliber.

Hi Robert.

Most guns won't shoot them very accurately.
The Destroyers are indeed accurate in the Summit Ranger that I own.
They work great for me in the .22 cal. Hatsan Vortex Edge too.
If a gun will shoot them accurately then they make very good hunting pellets.
They give both... good expansion & deep penetration.

Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on January 16, 2021, 09:02:16 PM
Hi Robert.

Most guns won't shoot them very accurately.
The Destroyers are indeed accurate in the Summit Ranger that I own.
They work great for me in the .22 cal. Hatsan Vortex Edge too.
If a gun will shoot them accurately then they make very good hunting pellets.
They give both... good expansion & deep penetration.

Best Wishes - Tom

I've been getting great results w/ Crosman's 'Black Widow' .177 Destroyers from my flat topped 1377. I need to give them a 25 yard test. I'd do the 25 yard test now; but, it would be a superfluous test. I have a 12 inch 1377 barrel on the way from Charles Mellon and a Geo LDC for that barrel.

If Crosman ever decides to make a .22 version of the 'Black Widow' Destroyer , it could be a real sleeper. They probably will eventually.




Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on January 16, 2021, 11:45:12 PM
Hi Robert.

Most guns won't shoot them very accurately.
The Destroyers are indeed accurate in the Summit Ranger that I own.
They work great for me in the .22 cal. Hatsan Vortex Edge too.
If a gun will shoot them accurately then they make very good hunting pellets.
They give both... good expansion & deep penetration.

Best Wishes - Tom

I've been getting great results w/ Crosman's 'Black Widow' .177 Destroyers from my flat topped 1377. I need to give them a 25 yard test. I'd do the 25 yard test now; but, it would be a superfluous test. I have a 12 inch 1377 barrel on the way from Charles Mellon and a Geo LDC for that barrel.

If Crosman ever decides to make a .22 version of the 'Black Widow' Destroyer , it could be a real sleeper. They probably will eventually.

Hi Robert.

Your 1377 sounds like it will be a wicked backyard shooter once you get your new barrel and LCD.

Thanks for the TIP on Black Widow Destroyers.
I have a .117 cal. Hatsan Vortex Striker that shoots regular Destroyers so I'll have to get some and try them out. 
I'll be on the look out for them in .22 cal too.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: buddyb on January 17, 2021, 10:33:29 AM
Good to see your back and doing well Tom. Hope your wife is recovered as well. ;D
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: ER00z on February 03, 2021, 02:44:08 AM
Not trying to drag this thread out, but I want to share about my Summit rangers. When these hit the PA website originally I ordered one in .177, as these were the cheapest NP2's available. I liked it so much and after reading Tom's review I decided to get one in .22. The .177 has always been hard to cock, as if the gas ram was over pressurised. It wasn't terribly hard, but much more noticeable than the .22 version I later received. They have both been fantastic critter getters. The .177 has close to 2,000 shots through it, and is still going strong. The.22 has far less, maybe about 500 or so. If these are still available they are a much better than the NP1 offerings, in my opinion. Hopefully they remain in the Crosman stable, but if not the Benji NP2's are still a decent offering, though the sights aren't as good. In .177, 7.9 grain pellets are just barely sub sonic, and with open sights if I can see it, I can hit it. The .22 has some gusto also, and I feed it destroyers and JSB 18 grain pellets mostly, but luckily it's not pellet picky so just about anything on hand will work.
     So sorry for dragging this out, and hope everyone is well.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on February 03, 2021, 12:47:48 PM
Not trying to drag this thread out, but I want to share about my Summit rangers. When these hit the PA website originally I ordered one in .177, as these were the cheapest NP2's available. I liked it so much and after reading Tom's review I decided to get one in .22. The .177 has always been hard to cock, as if the gas ram was over pressurised. It wasn't terribly hard, but much more noticeable than the .22 version I later received. They have both been fantastic critter getters. The .177 has close to 2,000 shots through it, and is still going strong. The.22 has far less, maybe about 500 or so. If these are still available they are a much better than the NP1 offerings, in my opinion. Hopefully they remain in the Crosman stable, but if not the Benji NP2's are still a decent offering, though the sights aren't as good. In .177, 7.9 grain pellets are just barely sub sonic, and with open sights if I can see it, I can hit it. The .22 has some gusto also, and I feed it destroyers and JSB 18 grain pellets mostly, but luckily it's not pellet picky so just about anything on hand will work.
     So sorry for dragging this out, and hope everyone is well.


Hi Zack.

No need to worry about dragging this thread out sir.   
This thread was meant to be an on going one for folks that have a Summit Ranger.
I posted it for people to share there thoughts & experiences either good or bad about the Summit Ranger.
Many folks have posted here and hopefully many more will do likewise.
My rifle is still shooting well and I really like mine.
As far as accuracy goes with my rifle, last summer and fall I was able to place some, between the eyes, dead center shots on chipmunks at 35 yards.
I was shooting 14.3 gr. Crosman Destroyers at the chipmunks when I did this.
I am pretty sure that Crosman has now discontinued the Summit Ranger.
That is too bad, as the Summit Ranger has made a fairly good hunting rifle, leastwise it has for me.
It has several features that I like.
I am surprised at how many folks have been interested enough in the Summit Ranger, to have read this thread.
Thank you for your reply Zack.


Best Wishes - Tom


Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Wolfer on February 07, 2021, 02:12:50 AM
Hey Tom hope all is well,have not been on for a while work,family but still shooting the shell out of the Summit. Open sights doing well . Take care.    Mike.   Wolfer
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on February 07, 2021, 07:56:46 PM
Hey Tom hope all is well,have not been on for a while work,family but still shooting the shell out of the Summit. Open sights doing well . Take care.    Mike.   Wolfer

Hi Mike.

I haven't shot my Summit Ranger since early October.

I am glad to hear that your rifle is shooting well for you.

Just lately, I shot my 25 cal. Hatsan 125 spring gun.


Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on March 10, 2021, 11:35:05 PM
Well, found out 1 more good thing about my summit ranger in 22...... it absolutely loves the pellets cast from my new Noe 20 gr. Mold! :D 8)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on March 11, 2021, 11:44:15 AM
Well, found out 1 more good thing about my summit ranger in 22...... it absolutely loves the pellets cast from my new Noe 20 gr. Mold! :D 8)

Hi Buddy.


This is interesting news and very nice to know.


Thank you for posting this information about the molded pellet results in your Summit Ranger.



Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on March 11, 2021, 02:46:01 PM
Tom,

It was a pleasant surprise for sure. I expected it to shoot well with them, but I really didínt expect it to shoot them as well as it does.
It shoots them into 3/8Ē round holes at 20 and 25 yd. easily when iím ďOn the ballĒ lol.

I have 3 rifles in 22....the summit ranger and a stock 392, and a 392 steroid.... they all shoot this cast pellet equally well!
Looks like the pellet shortage is solved for me; at least, in 22 cal. ;)
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on March 11, 2021, 02:59:38 PM
Tom,

It was a pleasant surprise for sure. I expected it to shoot well with them, but I really didínt expect it to shoot them as well as it does.
It shoots them into 3/8Ē round holes at 20 and 25 yd. easily when iím ďOn the ballĒ lol.

I have 3 rifles in 22....the summit ranger and a stock 392, and a 392 steroid.... they all shoot this cast pellet equally well!
Looks like the pellet shortage is solved for me; at least, in 22 cal. ;)

Thanks for telling us about this, Buddy. Can you post the appropriate links for these molds?
I'm about ready to dissect all of my pellet traps to get the old pellets out of them for recasting.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on March 11, 2021, 03:20:27 PM
Robert,

Iím pretty computer illiterate lol. Donít know how to post links... just google NOE molds.
Select shop, then 22 cal. and the first ones that pop up are the pellet molds.

The one I have is the 20gr. 2cav. brass mold. I use the ladle pressure pour method for best results... just like Wayne 52 does.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: Longbob on March 11, 2021, 03:25:42 PM
Robert,

Iím pretty computer illiterate lol. Donít know how to post links... just google NOE molds.
Select shop, then 22 cal. and the first ones that pop up are the pellet molds.

The one I have is the 20gr. 2cav. brass mold. I use the ladle pressure pour method for best results... just like Wayne 52 does.

Here we go. I'm bookmarking that page.
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/224/

Is it this one?
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/224/217-20-rf-ce6-hunter-pellet/217-20-rf-ce6-2-cavity-hb-hunter/

Or, this?
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/224/217-20-rf-ce6-hunter-pellet/217-20-rf-ce6-2-cavity-hb-hunter-brass/

I'm seeing these as out of stock. That's not good.
Title: Re: Crosman Summit Ranger NP2 Rifle (22Cal) - A Forest Hunters Evaluation
Post by: 35 shooter on March 11, 2021, 04:51:08 PM
Robert,

Iím pretty computer illiterate lol. Donít know how to post links... just google NOE molds.
Select shop, then 22 cal. and the first ones that pop up are the pellet molds.

The one I have is the 20gr. 2cav. brass mold. I use the ladle pressure pour method for best results... just like Wayne 52 does.

Here we go. I'm bookmarking that page.
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/product-category/224/

Is it this one?
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/224/217-20-rf-ce6-hunter-pellet/217-20-rf-ce6-2-cavity-hb-hunter/

Or, this?
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/224/217-20-rf-ce6-hunter-pellet/217-20-rf-ce6-2-cavity-hb-hunter-brass/

I'm seeing these as out of stock. That's not good.
Yeah, the second one... brass. I usually go aluminum molds, but I got brass for the pellet mold so I could easily tell it from my bullet molds in al.

Brass or aluminum doesínt really matter... itís just a personal choice.
Brass is heavier... much heavier. I really prefer al molds.
They just sold out recently... iím Waiting on one of his 30 gr. slug molds to be back in stock now.

I haveínt chronoed the ranger with the 20 gr. yet, but will report back when I do.