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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => UK Airgun Gate => Topic started by: tml on September 05, 2010, 02:42:20 AM
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Out of the box. The gun looks really nice. .22 cal in beech stock. The photo on the PA site makes the wood look horrible. The photo isn't even close to the way the beech looks. I did careful research and found outside photo's on youtube etc. The beech is rich looking. Not much different than the slightly darker Walnut without the dark rings etc.. The walnut is 70 bucks more. I guess I'd have a crappy photo of the beech to push the Walnut. Not that the walnut is bad. It looks killer. I put my extra dough into the scope. I'll try and post some of the gun when I get a chance.
Anyway, I ran a dry patch through the bore and removed excess grease/oil whatever. Checked all the screws to make sure they were snug. Put on a Hawke Eclipse 30mm 4-16-50 scope. Tightened the screws till snug. No lock-tite on anything. Shot of a bench from 60 ft. Put 50 rounds through the gun. Nice shooter. Consistently putting shots within an inch during first 50 rounds. Louder than a Titan and quieter than a RWS 48. The trigger destroys the RWS. Not too hard to cock. Kinda wide fore-stock. Not expecting that. Gun feels nice. Well balanced. Noticed my cheap 9 dollar accu-shot rings were almost complete loose. Tightened them up again. After 100 rounds the screw by the trigger was loose causing the assembly to have some play in it when I cocked. Tightened that as well. After 20 more shots were loose again.
About 30 percent of the time the safety doesn't reset. You really have to make sure the lever is cocked all the way. A number of times the safety didn't reset and I fired the gun. Kind of a drag. at his point.
I really think the gun is a nice shooter. The recoil minimal. No real twang. Just need to fine tune some of these issues Hopefully then gun will breakin' nicely this weekend. Planning on putting 500 rounds through it and a little locktite. Anyone have any of these issues with he safety and the main screw by the trigger? Any tips would be helpful.
Tim
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Great objective take on your new TX. Never run accross any of the issues you speak of though. The TX is a fine shooter out of the box but I find that almost every new gun I buy I completly go through them before I get real serious about putting allot of lead down field..:) I have both the TX and Pro Sport and both are extremly nice accurate shooters.They are more accuate than I am...:)
Almost no debering needed on the AA guns but a thorough tune does not hurt. Like you the fit and finish on the beach stocks are great. I also have intalled a Hawk scope on my TX and Pro Sport.
Have fun and enjoy.
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congrats on the new rifle!... i have the same also in beech and in .22, and it is an astonishingly accurate rifle. plus is gorgeous to look at in rainy days. i dont doubt you'll be very pleased with it.
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The gun looks great. Shot it this morning. Still have play between the steel and the wood. Don't wanna over tighten the screws but the big one by the trigger needs something. The gun has a slight rattle. It's not the cocking lever. I realize all rifles are helped by a tune. But a gun at this price point shouldn't have these issues. So it's me, something I'm not doing to secure the bolts or the gun is bad. The safety is still reseting 4 out of 5 times. That's not good enough for me. Could be the play in the action... maybe I have a bad gun.
Tim
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tml.....congrats on that beauty!!!!!!
Might just tear it down and tune it a little. Check the pieces, hit it with some lube. The TX is probably the easiest AG by far to tear down. Not unusual for a new one to be tight and needs to break in, a minor tune helps alot. I'm with Gene....and I'm certainly no tuner, just a parts changer.........but,before getting in serious shooting mode, I like to tear them down. It's easy to have little burrs and glitches in any new gun. I also like to look at the piston seals..........almost all have cracks, or scraps, or even chunks in them. It's real easy to damage the seal during installation. Don't think I've ever had a new gun that didn't.
Anyway the TX is an awsome gun, and probably the best you could choose for your first tune........guys on here will give guidance when needed............enjoy that new beauty!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey....after making this post, I'm going to grab mine out of the case and rub on it a little...............the gun that is...........lol!!!
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Deanda-
I hear yah. Did you guys ever have a situation where the fit between the metal and wood wasn't snug?
Tim
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Mine fits great, snug as a bug in a rug as they say. I don't have any loctite on any screws and I've never had a problem with them getting loose. One thing you can try that is easy, inexpensive and reversable is to wrap the stock bolt threads in teflon tape, same stuff you use to fit water pipes. It makes a great threadlocker, doesn't build up, and is easy to remove if it doesn't do the trick. I've gotten to where I don't use loctite at all anymore. Works great on muzzle brake grub screws too!!!
The issue with the safety not resetting is pretty common with the CD trigger as well as the Rekord which is very similar, possible cause is not putting enough "oomph" into the cocking stroke. My HW97K does this sometimes, and had a B40 that would do this from time to time as well. The safety is reset when the sear engages, and for whatever reason if I don't follow-thru with a good tug during cocking it wont reset. My TX200 on the other hand doesn't do this, but I've gone through the trigger and cleaned it up a little too. You don't however need to pull the lever down like you're chopping wood, just a nice tug at the end of the stroke. Considering you just bought this new from Pyramid, if you continue to have issues you might consider returning it for a replacement, even good companies put out a lemon once in awhile.
Great review btw, seems very objective, good to know that not every airgun comes in a box of rose petals....haha!!
Take care,
Dan
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Ya, the stck should fit snug. Might pull it off and look it over good......could have a burr in the wood or something like that. If you feel it really a bad fit, don't be shy about sending it back...it could happen.
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After shooting it this afternoon, I found that the receiver was not snug uncocked... but when I cocked and loaded the gun... the play between the wood and receiver went away. Anyone?
Tim
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Sounds like the front screw on the trigger guard is out or loose. When I say the front screw, I really mean the threads that the front screw goes in, is actually also has threads in it.
Have you pulled the stock off yet? If not, take the front 2 screws, at the forend of the stock, and then the two screws at the trigger guard. The stock should come right off.
The piece that the front trigger guard screw...screws into, has threads on the opposite side that actually screw into the action, and holds the action together.......sounds like it may have backed out.
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Here click in this link, then double click on the pic of the TX200...........he has pics of a TX tear down......it will help.
http://www.severi.be/airgunning/stripdowns.htm (http://www.severi.be/airgunning/stripdowns.htm)
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Here click in this link, then double click on the pic of the TX200...........he has pics of a TX tear down......it will help.
http://www.severi.be/airgunning/stripdowns.htm (http://www.severi.be/airgunning/stripdowns.htm)
Thats a great link, thanks for posting!
Shawn
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That is a good link Deanda thanks, gives me a tear down of a HW97 also. Thanks David
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For what it's worth, that same front screw through the trigger guard continually walks out on the B40, creating similar symptoms. A drop of Loctite Blue 242 and problem solved.
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Here click in this link, then double click on the pic of the TX200...........he has pics of a TX tear down......it will help.
http://www.severi.be/airgunning/stripdowns.htm (http://www.severi.be/airgunning/stripdowns.htm)
Thats a great link, thanks for posting!
Shawn
Absolutely....quite welcome. The guy that has the site does a good job with pics......I do better with pics rather than written instuctions......must have to do with my IQ...lol....or lack of........lol
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For what it's worth, that same front screw through the trigger guard continually walks out on the B40, creating similar symptoms. A drop of Loctite Blue 242 and problem solved.
I hear yah about the loctite. Anyone have the action snug when cocked and loose otherwise. There's about the width of 2 sheets of paper on each side of the wood where it meets the receiver when uncocked. Almost sealed when cocked. Is it a factory defect in the wood... burs....
Tim
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Tim, if making sure those stock fasteners are snug doesn't bring the fit of the action to stock with no gaps or loosness then you need to return that rifle. It should not have gotten past quality control but it did.Air Arms are known to have exceptional fit as well as finish so yours is an exception.Return it asap and I'll bet your next one will be perfect. Most of us have never seen one or even heard of one with this problem.Your accuracy potential will improve as well when you get one thats not shifting in the stock. Like Dano and the others mentioned your fasteners on this rifle seldom shoot themselves loose.Your inletting fit is a little off.
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about the safety not engaging... it is actually you. the safety does not engage until the last click. you are not pulling it all the way. yes, you can pull it til the sear engages, but there is one last click that sets the safety, is the one that makes the lever feel like is bottoming out and then coming back a little. I can reproduce mine at will, and actually when i hunt i generally will stop before it engages to eliminate the clicking before the shot.
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Lil-
Yes-
We figured out the safety issue. We we're going easy on the cocking cause the guts were loosening up. Then we realized we were not using enough force.
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So the gun should be snug tite even when uncocked?
I can rock the barrel a 64th of an inch left to right when uncocked and it snug when cocked.
Tim
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Absolutely Tim. There should be no movement or looseness cocked or uncocked if the fit of barrel/action tube is secured properly with the allen head fasteners. What you are describing is textbook poor fitting. I would return the gun immediately with a note enclosed describing the problem. When you see a TX 200 that is correctly inletted and fitted from the factory you will see what I mean.
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Thanks ALL!! Gun going back.
Tim