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Title: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 22, 2016, 06:46:14 PM
Y'all ain't gonna believe this, but I was upstairs rootin' around our bedroom closet, lookin' for my old Crosman 760. Found my older son's AIR17, the newer Matty Mattel version of my old wood-stocked 760 Powermaster from when he was like 8 or 10. Which I haven't found yet. So, rootin' around my other guns, I stumbled onto this. It's lightly rusted, & the trigger is seized up for some unknown reason. Messed with the bolt & trigger, no trigger movement at all. Bolt's kinda tight, but workable. I think it's a .22? Looking it over, I found stamped on the opposite side from the bolt, " Crosman 160 Pellgun". And yup, .22 caliber. At the back of that upper tube, around the end to the right of the logo, etc is the number " 101710". Very light & comfortable, maybe 4-5lbs tops? It looks like a Co2 gun, but the cap under the barrel won't unscrew all the way off? Screw in the end of that cap must be stuck on? Rear site appears bent to one side? Here's some pics, enjoy...
 (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0021_zpsxpdnxosh.jpg)  (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0028_zpst14yzksi.jpg)
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0026_zps1kxldjfg.jpg)  (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0027_zps2vygogjb.jpg)
And just to give it some scale, here it is next to the Winchester;  (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0029_zpsxh6z0cdg.jpg)
Anyone got info on this thing, or maybe some spare parts/resources for same?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: floydlong on August 22, 2016, 07:17:50 PM
Nice find, Leanord. The QB 78/79 are Chinese copies of the 160. The only difference, I think, is that the 160 isn't dovetailed for a scope. It takes two CO2 cartridges and gets about 40 shots. It's a nice plinker and they are fairly easy to rebuild. There are several shops that sell reseal kits. Maybe someone will chime in with some names. JG Airguns is one. I had a QB that I shot for a couple of years and it was scary accurate. That 160 is a sweet find. Hope you can restore it to shooting and looking good.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 22, 2016, 07:43:43 PM
Definitely wanna re-blue it, refinish the stock, & of course get it working again. I'd like to put a scope on it as well. Might even be interesting if there was a conversion kit to make it a PCP?...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: avator on August 22, 2016, 07:56:06 PM
Nice find old neighbor. (I grew up in Ashtabula) I found one at the local pawn shop for $35. Mine worked, and still does, like a champ. It also has the Mossberg peep on it that they used for USAF indoor training. Careful if that front cap[ is stuck, it may have C02 in it. When charged, you push the bolt forward against a spring to cock it. Mine has the toggle safety thru the trigger group that I don't see on yours. I would look for the safety, may be why the trigger is stuck. The first C02 bulb goes in nose first and the first shot pierces it. The second goes in nose up and the cap pierces it. You screw the cap all the way in then back it off 1/8th turn. Mine is dead nut accurate. I love the peep, wouldn't even think about scoping it. Check MAC1 for rebuild kits... also Dennis Baker. Talk to Mike Mellick at Flying Dragon about converting it. Tri-5-Ron has tricks up his sleeve too.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Extreme .457 on August 22, 2016, 11:20:01 PM
   I have the CR160 and 167 great little guns. Mine have the peeps, looks like the safety is missing. Maybe why trigger is locked. Those are great guns and very accurate, I shoot mine quite a bit!!
Great find Brother Man
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: GumpIsrael on August 22, 2016, 11:27:52 PM
Very cool find! hope to see more pics throughout the resto process.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 23, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
Keep the info coming! It's greatly appreciated! I just can't remember how I acquired this little gem, but I'm most certainly glad I did! It does seem to be missing any sort of safety catch/lever/button? Here's a pic of the bolt area detail that shows a naked pin in a recess behind the bolt? A small seal can be seen toward the rear of the small pin...

  (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0032_zpss540isf8.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on August 23, 2016, 01:28:22 PM
Saw you posted in a couple other threads then dug to find this.
Fantastic find in your own closet.
I really need to shake the cobwebs out of my mind, but I think that was the first airgun I every had. My uncles hand-me-down when I was but a Lad.
When I grew and got my own air guns I returned it to my Grandfather who kept it in the damp dark old farm basement where it literally rotted away for 20 years before I found it again some 25 years later.
Please keep us posted.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 23, 2016, 02:23:00 PM
Will do. Yeah, posted in two spots, but they did have to do with antiques, so what the heck, you know? I was excited to find gold in my own backyard, so to say. What it was doing there, well, idk? A miracle of some sort, since I had been wishing I'd have bought the .22 version of the Winchester. I have no other explanation...seriously. But, why ask why?! Anyway, I got out a small screwdriver & depressed that lil pin-like recessed rod behind the bolt. It is indeed the safety, & the trigger spring released just fine. And in front of the little recess for the safety pin/rod I found the letters, " J S"? But no " crack" of any sort of gas pressure was heard? Would it be OK to remove the cap & take out the old Co2 cartridges, or no??
**4:18PM- After Roadworthy was very gracious to msg me all day about this great old gun, And it's possible build date, etc, I called Crosman @ 1-800-724-7486. The fella said that with no barrel band & stamped steel trigger guard, it's from 1955-1956 build!  CHA-CHING! The numbers around the back of the bolt tube, " 101710" were not used for dating, but warranty purposes only before 1975. So the fella said the only thing he could go buy -from the blue book no less-was the build description. No barrel band, stamped steel trigger guard, no peep sights, he reiterated '55-'56. Sheez...this thang is at least as old as I am! So, I guess, since miracles do happen, I'll definitely give her a facelift, at the least. Oiled stock & new bluing, seal kit is like 39 bucks. Might still have some gun oil & linseed oil in the garage. Just get some steel wool & dig out the Never-Dull...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: avator on August 23, 2016, 06:59:50 PM
Will do. Yeah, posted in two spots, but they did have to do with antiques, so what the heck, you know? I was excited to find gold in my own backyard, so to say. What it was doing there, well, idk? A miracle of some sort, since I had been wishing I'd have bought the .22 version of the Winchester. I have no other explanation...seriously. But, why ask why?! Anyway, I got out a small screwdriver & depressed that lil pin-like recessed rod behind the bolt. It is indeed the safety, & the trigger spring released just fine. And in front of the little recess for the safety pin/rod I found the letters, " J S"? But no " crack" of any sort of gas pressure was heard? Would it be OK to remove the cap & take out the old Co2 cartridges, or no??
**4:18PM- After Roadworthy was very gracious to msg me all day about this great old gun, And it's possible build date, etc, I called Crosman @ 1-800-724-7486. The fella said that with no barrel band & stamped steel trigger guard, it's from 1955-1956 build!  CHA-CHING! The numbers around the back of the bolt tube, " 101710" were not used for dating, but warranty purposes only before 1975. So the fella said the only thing he could go buy -from the blue book no less-was the build description. No barrel band, stamped steel trigger guard, no peep sights, he reiterated '55-'56. Sheez...this thang is at least as old as I am! So, I guess, since miracles do happen, I'll definitely give her a facelift, at the least. Oiled stock & new bluing, seal kit is like 39 bucks. Might still have some gun oil & linseed oil in the garage. Just get some steel wool & dig out the Never-Dull...
I would probably feel comfortable unscrewing the cap now if the trigger released. Maybe a bit of liquid wrench or something to soak first. Wouldn't worry much about eating seals up, no doubt they need replaced already.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 26, 2016, 05:52:51 PM
The seal kit & Crosman Owner's manual will be here Tuesday from Amazon. The two plastic boxes of Straight Shooters pellets got here today. Two plastic boxes of 18 compartments each of different pellets for the Winchester. I started sanding the stock down for the Crosman after removing all the metal parts to a labeled bag. Gonna shoot some more & better video soon.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 29, 2016, 09:49:13 AM
Got two videos done & posted elsewhere. Thought I'd post them here as well...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYyuq6_1B8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMYyuq6_1B8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEUjBDD7GKc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEUjBDD7GKc)
So the next installment will be staining & oil finishing the stock. Then beginning the bluing process on the small parts that mount on the stock before resealing & bluing the barrel/Co2 pressurizing assembly. It'll also be getting a scope mounted, after some minor gunsmithing @ Gander Mountain, since it isn't grooved or tapped. I'd like to use one of those small rotary magazines in it as well? Not sure if they could be made to fit?
!!**!!- I bombed out completely with my search for parts. I can't find the original variant 1 safety switch that goes behind the bolt. Can't find a butt plate either! Any of you have these items as spare parts & want to sell them, PM me ASAP!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 29, 2016, 07:41:13 PM
This is gettin' thick real quick. Geez. So much for fleabay seal kits! It came in a little while ago, a 3-finger pinch of seals. And the Crosman diagram was indeed a model 160. the variant 3 160! it showed the cast trigger assembly with the trigger-mounted safety, barrel band & S331 peep sights denoting the 1960-1971 model. I then called Dennis Baker back, Of Baker airguns & he said he hated to speak ill of his E-Bay competitors, but their seal kits are worthless. He went on to say the stem-stem seal assembly(?) is missing, which it is. He went on to explain that this stem assembly is a proprietary part that goes bad & must be replaced or the rest of the seals basically won't work. It won't seal up it seems? He also mentioned that when they came out with a new model back then, they destroyed the old diagrams, so that the 1960-1971 diagram is likely the only one left in existence!? Looking at the Crosman site, he is indeed correct. If anyone out there has the real 1955-1956 book with diagram, it'd be a boon to all of us!
So, anyway, the E-Bay seller was real nice about quickly refunding my money. He even let me keep the seals. I assume this was to buy my silence, for obvious reasons?! I'm so glad I spoke to Dennis Baker! I told him he's got my business from now on!:D Oh, & a lil PS...I found the safety switch that looks to be broken off mine on fleabay as well. the only one left anywhere I could find.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: bantam5s on August 30, 2016, 02:13:43 AM
Looking forward to the finished product, and wish you luck in finding what you need to get it done.
I've never dealt with Denis baker as all I had to work on were my '79 blue streak and my 760 which mac1 had the seal kits which included his secret sauce. I'm sure if I ever have an older less common gun or need actual parts I'll give him a try as I've heard nothing but good things about him.

Google Trev's airguns scrapbook, they might have a picture of the original manual / diagram for a first gen 160.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 30, 2016, 08:08:25 AM
Look in Crosman forum for Dick Tracy's thread. He found some old fella's PDF of ALL Crossman's diagrams he'd saved over the years & copied into a PDF. I downloaded it into my desktop Kindle app! It has all the diagrams of this model 160 variant one!!! Crosman doesn't even have many of these anymore!. As for me, I should have the full, proper seal kit from Dennis today or tomorrow. Will be picking up the new scope, stock oil, bluing kit, etc from Gander Mountain Thursday. Gonna use honey oak oil stain on the stock from home depot. A pint or half-pint can will do.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: floydlong on August 30, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Keep us informed on the restoration, Leonard. We are anxiously awaiting the end result! ;D
AND.....we need/love/crave pictures!!!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 30, 2016, 02:05:04 PM
Oh yeah, videos of every step will be continued. Found this butt plate last night. Looks like it might be right? http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/252501701068?item=252501701068&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466&rmvSB=true (http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/252501701068?item=252501701068&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466&rmvSB=true) Got the safety switch on E-Bay too. It should be here 9/3. Only one of those behind the bolt switches to be found anywhere!
**PSS- After comparing what's left of my 160's butt plate, & the one in the above link, I decided to buy it! $12.94 & it'll be here 9/8. He claims it's NOS, but upon closer inspection, I rather doubt it. Might have the stock nearly done being oiled by then? Kinda wish it was already done. Squirrel season opens tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 01, 2016, 05:43:04 AM
Got paid this mornin', so ordered my stuff from Gander Mountain for pick-up later today. Birchwood/Casey gun stock finishing oil, bluing kit & camo pull-over for still-kinda-warm-yet huntin'. Gotta order the new scope next. Then to homer cheapo for some oil-based honey oak stain.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 03, 2016, 07:32:43 AM
Well, I picked up everything I need to finish restoring the gun, save for two parts coming in Tuesday. Even got the targets I see'em using on YouTube that show the shots nice & bright. But Gun stock oil MIA?
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0045_zpsf8yv2nq1.jpg)
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0049_zpssibgqfmw.jpg)
Gonna sand the stock one more time & stain it when the sun comes up. Found it on the floor with some other packing materials. whew, needed that one next. I'm Shooting Episode III of the restoration video atm. Time to wipe 2nd coat of stain off.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 03, 2016, 02:37:04 PM
And here we go with Episode III of Airgun Shooter, restoring the Crosman model 160... Enjoy on this long weekend, so grab a beer & kick back...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIb3yRMQmvQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIb3yRMQmvQ)
9/4- Took a pic of the dried newly stained stock this morning
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0053_zps6vrlknjw.jpg)
And the flip side. Lots of grain character!
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0054_zps1lrbky56.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 04, 2016, 05:40:36 PM
And here we go with episode IV- A New Hope...just kidding. This time, I go over applying the first coat of True Oil gloss finish to the stock. Besides setting the mood with my new cap & shirt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_k-qX3HE5E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_k-qX3HE5E)
And a pic of the stock propped up to dry...
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0058_zps8prxetet.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 07, 2016, 12:15:26 AM
I got the butt plate & safety switch in the mail today. But Photobucket won't finish uploading & gets stuck? So I can't uploads pic? The safety switch doesn't look like it fits over that little rod with seal in the pic above? But in place of it?? The butt plate is too short. But if I could chop & section it and the old one, I could make one to fit. Can that type of plastic be super glued?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: bantam5s on September 07, 2016, 01:50:35 AM
I got the butt plate & safety switch in the mail today. But Photobucket won't finish uploading & gets stuck? So I can't uploads pic? The safety switch doesn't look like it fits over that little rod with seal in the pic above? But in place of it?? The butt plate is too short. But if I could chop & section it and the old one, I could make one to fit. Can that type of plastic be super glued?

I would think so, but it might not be able to match up perfectly as it's a tapered shape.
You'll probably need some epoxy putty, or just buy some black flip flops from the dollar store and make one out of that.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 07, 2016, 01:55:07 AM
Here's the complete set of Crossman factory service diagrams, instructions, etc I saved from another member's post; http://stevespages.com/pdf/crosman_factory_service_manual_all.pdf (http://stevespages.com/pdf/crosman_factory_service_manual_all.pdf)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 07, 2016, 05:40:32 PM
OK, everything got changed to separate browser & erased? Edge browser, win10. anyway, photobucket is fixed, so here's the old butt plate, left, NOS butt plate, right, with NOS safety switch;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0061_zpswxxwmvw1.jpg)
Now, the Cocking block, hammer spring, & Hammer below where they go in the Co2 tube;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0062.jpg)
Now, the Locating Screw (blued, threaded tube thing facing away from viewer), And aluminum valve assembly through hole on right, Set Screw removed.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0063.jpg)
And lastly, the Baker Airguns seal kit together with the other parts views;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0065.jpg)
Basically, the instructions say to push the valve assembly out of the Co2 tube with an 1/8" rod. It doesn't say which way to push it out, & you can't look at it & have it be obvious???
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: longhunter on September 07, 2016, 09:13:08 PM
If I remember right, it pushes out the back. Use a wood dowel more like a half inch in diameter. You may have to tap it out. An 1/8" dowel might splinter in your hand.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 08, 2016, 02:47:41 PM
OK, I finally got it! I used a metal kitchen skewer to push it out. The Valve Assembly (page 8.2 in the service manual) is pushed out the front. That is to say, the threaded end of the Co2 Tube the cap goes on in this view;
 (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0028_zpst14yzksi.jpg)
Disassembled view;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0068.jpg)
So, in other words, it is pushed out from left to right in this pic. The reason being that the Locating Screw (threaded tube that mounts it to the stock) is permanently pressed into a bushing that acts as a stop for the Valve Assembly to properly locate when re-assembled. That bushing (called, " inner plug")has a 1/8" diameter hole in it to push the valve out the front through from the rear. And a close-up of the valve assembly, which, by the way, was pushed in backwards;
 (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0069.jpg)
On to video #5!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 08, 2016, 06:32:28 PM
OK, I did Episode 5 in two parts so I could work in some close-up shots of certain parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sab9HGACBDM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sab9HGACBDM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P68GNUOY5n0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P68GNUOY5n0)
Next time, I'll start stripping the old bluing & rust. Then clean/polish the metal a bit before rebluing everything. I'll also do one last fine sanding of the stock & one more coat of oil before I finally start re-assembling this thing! I can't wait to see how well it shoots after fixing it all up!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 09, 2016, 11:33:22 AM
Used some more 600 grit sandpaper on the stock's high spots, & last coat of Tru-Oil just now.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0090.jpg)
Now to start the stank, messy part; stripping the old rust & bluing so I can take my time polishing the metal. Then bluing it all. Thinking of polishing the Breech bolt, while bluing the Breech Bolt Knob? Got a couple small seals left to do during re-assembly that'll be shown then. Gonna re-blue all the screw heads as well.
You know, the more I go through this gun, the more I think the factory's stock stain/varnish/polish coating was rather cloudy to help hide the grain a little & smooth out the over-all look of it to make it appear finer-grained than it really was? I don't know why myself? I like the character of the wood grain!
Here's a couple pics of rebuilt/cleaned parts;
Exhaust valve with old stem top, new bottom. New one too large of shaft diameter to use.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0073.jpg)
And rebuilt Valve Assembly with cleaned Hammer parts;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0080.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 10, 2016, 05:34:56 PM
I got started on Episode 6 this afternoon, then it got dark, thunder, rain, etc. Room darkened as I was shooting, so may have to re-shoot tomorrow? anyway, I degreased, stripped & started polishing the trigger guard/screws, receiver & 2-piece bolt assembly. Here's a lil taste;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0093.jpg)
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0094.jpg)
The metal is very silvery/shiny to the naked eye. Idk why it looks so funky in the pic? Maybe reflecting dark surface, or darkened room? Will have to set'em on a sheet of printer paper.
OK, here we go...
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0095.jpg)
It's hard to believe 60 year-old parts can look so good so fast?! A lil more polishing, then I start bluing them. Wanted to do some small parts first, just to see how well this new stuff works.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on September 10, 2016, 08:23:49 PM
Are you going to heat the parts before blueing them?
I have read that improves the results and going to try it the next time myself.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Motorhead on September 10, 2016, 08:34:39 PM
Yes ... some heat in the part gives a deeper more even blue.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 11, 2016, 10:24:21 AM
Don't have anything to heat them with...unless a hair drier will do? I don't have heat guns or anything like that.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on September 11, 2016, 11:12:27 AM
I imagined a cookie sheet in the oven on a lower setting... no?  ::)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 11, 2016, 04:18:55 PM
Idk? I know they shouldn't exactly be hot...just warm to the touch? Here's Episode VI of the videos anyway...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooeRN33V9FU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooeRN33V9FU)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: moorepower on September 11, 2016, 07:17:24 PM
A propane torch works great, I would imagine an electric heater if the parts were right by the heater would work.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: avator on September 12, 2016, 02:31:25 PM
Geez, I wouldn't have an issue in southern Alabama... mid 90's, sunny and humid today. Just set it all out on the porch for an hour.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 12, 2016, 05:34:54 PM
I can just take them outta the A/C'd man cave & let'em heat up in the dinning room till I can hit'em with a hair drier. Had to add some annotations to my videos. Kept mistakenly using expressions like 320 grit sandpaper when it was 600. And 6-ought steel wool when it was fine steel wool. had things backwards. got all the small parts ready to blue. Just gotta use some rubbing alcohol, then the degreaser to get ready for bluing. I'll film that part as well.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Grover on September 12, 2016, 10:48:26 PM
Hope it's not too late, but I've had better results with the bluing paste than the liquid.  Same mfr.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 13, 2016, 06:48:58 PM
I've got the liquid one. That's something like I remember using some 40 years ago. I used degreaser, then rinse & dry on all the metal parts. Cleaned inside barrel, gas tube, etc with patches, rubbing alcohol, then dry patches. Then laid them out on a towel on the dining room table to warm up. Then maybe use hair drier tomorrow to warm them up a bit & start bluing.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 15, 2016, 08:12:37 PM
I used wife's hair drier today to heat up the parts. A couple hours, some cursing, & several coats later, I got it all done pretty well. Definitely use the paste! Liquid too watery. Liquid would be fine if I made some small tanks barely the right size & had enough to cover the parts to soak for a while. Small parts I was able to do that with came out pretty good. Oiled with patches & Remington spray Rem-oil that has Teflon in it. Saw a young guy on YouTube using it. Cleaned inside barrel, gas tube & receiver with it too. Here's a pic, videos later...
 (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0108.jpg)
By the by, the stamped-in logos, etc came out very crisp & clear the way I cleaned & treated everything. Lost the bushing/lock washer in the bottom of the receiver though. Darn it...Idk how that got lost today??? On a good note, though, the check-ball spring is still in a really small hole below the red dot on that breach plug where the safety switch goes.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 16, 2016, 03:08:31 PM
Uploaded two part video on the bluing process from yesterday. I also shot some video of reassembling the gun a little while ago. Man, is it ever as pain reassembling the 2 pins on the hammer assembly to the notches on the bolt! Gotta compress the hammer spring to line it all up to get the receiver assembly bolted to the gas tube assembly...while holding everything together! Lower valve retainer screw needs rethreading, as the hole's threads weren't that great to start with. But breach bolt is in the top of the valve assembly at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwn6WJToMlY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwn6WJToMlY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMNcgWcTnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMNcgWcTnk)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 18, 2016, 04:46:48 AM
...and here's the two-part final assembly of the model 160. Had trouble with the camera & some of the parts, but it's finally done!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSSRsP-oYFE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSSRsP-oYFE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO2zP-BzCr0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO2zP-BzCr0)
And for those looking for instant gratification;
Before;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0021_zpsxpdnxosh.jpg)
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0023_zpslq2tkz3r.jpg)
After;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0118.jpg)
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0122.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: grizzlyadams on September 23, 2016, 07:43:00 AM
AWESOME!!!!!! great old gun!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: floydlong on September 23, 2016, 12:20:30 PM
WOWEEEE!!!!, Leonard. What a great job. That is one beautiful rifle. Now, since it's all done and pretty I know that the rest of your herd will be jealous so just ship it over to me and I'll hold on to her until they get their attitude right....maybe a year or two.....then I'll send her home!! ;D ;D  No? Oh well, then you'll just have to deal with those jealous rambunctious guns yourself. Good luck.
She is verrrry pretty!!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 23, 2016, 01:21:11 PM
Thanks guys! I'm glad I'm not the only one that loves how good it turned out! Gotta tap the lower screw hole in the valve assembly to gas tube hole. Someone at some earlier point jammed it in, & it won't screw back in to solidly hold the valve assembly in place when gas pressure is applied. One more step, then we get out & shoot it! I have a scope on my .22 semi-auto Remington Mohawk 10C that I'd like to use on this Co2 rifle. It's 3-6, forget the objective size off-hand. But, the gun being Co2, would the regular Weaver rifle scope be OK? I'd like to use what I already have if I could?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on September 23, 2016, 02:34:06 PM
Heck yea... should be fine.
Springers crazy recoil is what kills scopes in air guns. Pumpers and CO2 are fair game!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 23, 2016, 05:07:02 PM
Cool! Here's some pics from removing it from the Mohawk 10C to cleaning it up. Need some adaptor mounts. Idk if the .565" ones for the Benjamin will work?
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0131.jpg)   (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0130.jpg)
 (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/V22-A%20fixed.png)   (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0133.jpg)
It's a Weaver 3-6 duplex I bought at Clarkin's in the 70's for 24 bucks & change. Still seems to work fine, focus, etc. Like I said, I just need some adaptor mounts, if y'all could help me with that, I'd love it!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 23, 2016, 05:23:45 PM
In this one I'm just eyeballin' it for size. Says, " Weaver V22-A" on it...
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0143.jpg)
And the Mohawk 10C it came off of. Barrel was never bedded correctly.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0128.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: bantam5s on September 25, 2016, 08:35:02 PM
In this one I'm just eyeballin' it for size. Says, " Weaver V22-A" on it...
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0143.jpg)
And the Mohawk 10C it came off of. Barrel was never bedded correctly.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0128.jpg)
I really like that Remington nylon there, if I'm not mistaken wasn't Mohawk the K-mart re-branding for them ?
BTW look at the crosman 2100 and just how similar the stock and receiver look to the Remington nylon, makes perfect sense that the black ones are re-branded as the Remington air master.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: TerryM on September 26, 2016, 09:30:49 AM
Leonard,

Short of having the reciever grooved (an expensive undertaking), you need some kind of barrel clamp mount.  The Air Venturi mount sold by PA for the 392/397 reciever will fit the 9/16" barrel of your 160.  You may have to place both scope rings forward of the adjustment turrets to get the proper eye relief.  You will probably need lower rings than those see-through gizmos, they will have the scope way up there.  The old Weaver V22 and D series have 7/8" tubes but I see you have shims for using 1" rings

Looks like you had the same problem at one time that I did, a ring you couldn't remove.  One of my D4s is a sealed unit, neither the eyepiece or the turrets come off.  So, I found some more 7/8" rings to place ahead of the turrets and just left the one where it was.

The 160 is an accurate rifle, well worth scoping.  Good luck and have fun.  Oh yes, nice restoration job!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 26, 2016, 12:42:13 PM
Leonard,

Short of having the reciever grooved (an expensive undertaking), you need some kind of barrel clamp mount.  The Air Venturi mount sold by PA for the 392/397 reciever will fit the 9/16" barrel of your 160.  You may have to place both scope rings forward of the adjustment turrets to get the proper eye relief.  You will probably need lower rings than those see-through gizmos, they will have the scope way up there.  The old Weaver V22 and D series have 7/8" tubes but I see you have shims for using 1" rings

Looks like you had the same problem at one time that I did, a ring you couldn't remove.  One of my D4s is a sealed unit, neither the eyepiece or the turrets come off.  So, I found some more 7/8" rings to place ahead of the turrets and just left the one where it was.

The 160 is an accurate rifle, well worth scoping.  Good luck and have fun.  Oh yes, nice restoration job!

Yeah, Gander Mtn wants $80 to grove it, but would cut right through the logos on the left side of the receiver. Here's some adaptor mounts I thought might fit, but I don't have a way to measure the 160 to know for sure? https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-intermount-fits-benjamin-sheridan-multi-pump-rifles?a=2015 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-intermount-fits-benjamin-sheridan-multi-pump-rifles?a=2015)
In this one I'm just eyeballin' it for size. Says, " Weaver V22-A" on it...
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0143.jpg)
And the Mohawk 10C it came off of. Barrel was never bedded correctly.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0128.jpg)
I really like that Remington nylon there, if I'm not mistaken wasn't Mohawk the K-mart re-branding for them ?
BTW look at the crosman 2100 and just how similar the stock and receiver look to the Remington nylon, makes perfect sense that the black ones are re-branded as the Remington air master.
Yeah, it's a nylon 66 that I got @ Kresgie's years ago (now K mart) as the Mohawk 10C. It uses .22LR. Mini Mags sound like a .30-06 in that short barrel. Thing is LOUD! I'd like to sell the semi auto if you want it? I cancelled the order on the Hatsan Carnivore .357 too. Since I can barely walk atm, till I get surgery, I thought it a waste to but a $674 gun atm for pig huntin' & the like. It'll be a great gun for that when I do. They wouldn't put it on my MasterCard like I wanted. Instead, they put it on my checking card, which takes away from bill payin' money. So. unless they change that, it's a no-go for now. I'll stick to bench shooting for the moment, until I get fixed...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: TerryM on September 26, 2016, 07:48:19 PM
  That's the one.  It will fit on the barrel, not the receiver.  The receiver measures 3/4", barrel 9/16" (.563").

  Another option is a set of Ron Robinson mounts, if you can get them:

(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w446/sotol11/P5160385%20-%20Copy_zps7u2lc2qg.jpg) (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/sotol11/media/P5160385%20-%20Copy_zps7u2lc2qg.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 27, 2016, 01:45:32 AM
I was afraid of that. I thought that receiver diameter was closer to 3/4"...just not quite. I take it those Robinson mounts aren't made anymore? They sure are hard to find!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: TerryM on September 27, 2016, 08:01:36 AM
  Contact Ron at manicompressive at yahoo dot com, he seems to have them off and on.  Or, post a wanted ad in the classifieds.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 27, 2016, 03:09:08 PM
Thanks man, message sent! I don't care if I have to pay for custom machining, it'll be so worth it. Just think...a fully restored mid-50's airgun with a 70's Weaver scope on it!...(by the by, I still absolutely CANNOT GET THE SMILEYS TO WORK?!)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: bantam5s on September 27, 2016, 05:37:10 PM
Leonard,

Short of having the reciever grooved (an expensive undertaking), you need some kind of barrel clamp mount.  The Air Venturi mount sold by PA for the 392/397 reciever will fit the 9/16" barrel of your 160.  You may have to place both scope rings forward of the adjustment turrets to get the proper eye relief.  You will probably need lower rings than those see-through gizmos, they will have the scope way up there.  The old Weaver V22 and D series have 7/8" tubes but I see you have shims for using 1" rings

Looks like you had the same problem at one time that I did, a ring you couldn't remove.  One of my D4s is a sealed unit, neither the eyepiece or the turrets come off.  So, I found some more 7/8" rings to place ahead of the turrets and just left the one where it was.

The 160 is an accurate rifle, well worth scoping.  Good luck and have fun.  Oh yes, nice restoration job!

Yeah, Gander Mtn wants $80 to grove it, but would cut right through the logos on the left side of the receiver. Here's some adaptor mounts I thought might fit, but I don't have a way to measure the 160 to know for sure? https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-intermount-fits-benjamin-sheridan-multi-pump-rifles?a=2015 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-intermount-fits-benjamin-sheridan-multi-pump-rifles?a=2015)
In this one I'm just eyeballin' it for size. Says, " Weaver V22-A" on it...
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0143.jpg)
And the Mohawk 10C it came off of. Barrel was never bedded correctly.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0128.jpg)
I really like that Remington nylon there, if I'm not mistaken wasn't Mohawk the K-mart re-branding for them ?
BTW look at the crosman 2100 and just how similar the stock and receiver look to the Remington nylon, makes perfect sense that the black ones are re-branded as the Remington air master.
Yeah, it's a nylon 66 that I got @ Kresgie's years ago (now K mart) as the Mohawk 10C. It uses .22LR. Mini Mags sound like a .30-06 in that short barrel. Thing is LOUD! I'd like to sell the semi auto if you want it? I cancelled the order on the Hatsan Carnivore .357 too. Since I can barely walk atm, till I get surgery, I thought it a waste to but a $674 gun atm for pig huntin' & the like. It'll be a great gun for that when I do. They wouldn't put it on my MasterCard like I wanted. Instead, they put it on my checking card, which takes away from bill payin' money. So. unless they change that, it's a no-go for now. I'll stick to bench shooting for the moment, until I get fixed...
I'm not really in the market for a firearm right now as pellets are cheaper and I don't really have anywhere close to shoot pb's, but when it is finally time for me to get my first firearm I definitely plan on it being a vintage classic .22 .

Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: bantam5s on September 27, 2016, 05:43:09 PM
I was afraid of that. I thought that receiver diameter was closer to 3/4"...just not quite. I take it those Robinson mounts aren't made anymore? They sure are hard to find!
Have you thought of using some sort of mount that could be bolted to the stock ?
You could get one that's meant for an sks rifle on ebay, then just bed a couple of threaded inserts Into the side of the stock.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 27, 2016, 08:11:19 PM
I'm not to hip on changing the stock with more holes & such. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll see what Ron says when he replies to my e-mail...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 28, 2016, 04:52:43 PM
WAHOOOOO! CHA-CHING!! Got an E-mail back from Ron, & he has a matte finished aluminum set slightly used laying around that he's selling me! Just Paypal'd the money to him. OORAH!I didn't know he is a multi-time national champ with a 160 with Weaver V22 scope like mine, & Crosman pistols too?! Impressive! I can't wait till they get here. From the man himself, no less! Thanks TerryM for the e-mail addy!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on October 05, 2016, 06:09:51 PM
I was just settling in to watch a GTA member's video when my son walked in with the Robinson scope mounts! So I just had to play with my new toys! I like the contrast...
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0152.jpg)    (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0153.jpg)
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0155.jpg) I did have to use the adaptor sleeves on this installation as well. Thanks to Ron Robinson for selling me his last set!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Air4All on October 06, 2016, 06:35:15 AM
Nice find, your closet is definitely more interesting than mine. lol
Keep the info coming! It's greatly appreciated! I just can't remember how I acquired this little gem, but I'm most certainly glad I did! It does seem to be missing any sort of safety catch/lever/button? Here's a pic of the bolt area detail that shows a naked pin in a recess behind the bolt? A small seal can be seen toward the rear of the small pin...

  (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0032_zpss540isf8.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on October 06, 2016, 12:56:25 PM
It was a total surprise to me too! Still can't find the 760 Powermaster, but I did here my wife & middle son talking a few days ago. Something about somethin' happening to the 760 & she was glad they put the 160 in it's place??? It seems a game's afoot?...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on October 06, 2016, 01:36:14 PM
As Paul Harvey used to say, "and now... the REST of the story"

 ;)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on October 06, 2016, 01:39:42 PM
Apparently?...idk but I'm glad I found it...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on October 06, 2016, 02:13:22 PM
I just checked all my closets... nope nothing I forgot about... at least not worthy of posting here.  ::)


Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on October 06, 2016, 06:56:42 PM
Ah, but wait a few years &...!!! **And another Airgun Shooter video about targets, the 160, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFXLThr89xk&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFXLThr89xk&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on October 18, 2016, 01:21:34 PM
Well, I got a couple more goodies on the way. A set of Outdoor Connection bench rest leather bags. And since I already have the .22 caliber Gamo Rockets @ 14.3gr, I ordered two 250 count tins of better quality pellets. One lighter, one heavier. A tin of H&N Baracuda green domed @ 12.65gr, & RWS Field Line Superpoint Extra's @ 14.5gr. I'll see soon which shoots better after getting that lower valve screw hole re-tapped. I thought to sight-in the scope with the middle weight Gamo Rockets? Then test the lighter & heavier ones for accuracy against that?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Mackado on October 19, 2016, 04:47:25 AM
That's a great job, watched your videos too, very helpful to me as I research details on how best to stain and blue (or paint) a couple of vintage Crosman's I own.

I noticed you didn't use "Birchwood sealer and Filler" after staining as they recommend, so this step is not really needed, just apply several extra True oil layers right ?

Also other online bloggers use Rust 'o' leum Appliance black spray to refinish their barrel and parts, is the blueing process better and more lasting? 
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: TerryM on October 19, 2016, 09:35:49 AM
  I shoot mostly JSBs in my old Crosmans.  Either 13.4 or 15.9 gr.  Hard to beat.  Curious to see how your 160 groups with the scope installed.  Very well, I expect.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on October 19, 2016, 06:38:12 PM
Ron Robinson says they're tack drivers, & has won championships with the same gun & scope. I just happened to have both. & I think the bluing looks better than paint. & between the stain & tru-oil, it filled the grain nicely.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on October 22, 2016, 09:05:04 AM
Well, one of two more tins of pellets came in a day early, yesterday. H&N Baracuda Green, domed alloy, 12.65gr. Still waiting on RWS Superpoint Extra's coming in next week, 14.5gr. Already have Gamo Rockets, 14.36gr, all for the .22 160...till now. Hatsan Striker 1000x in .22 on it's way.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0173.jpg)    (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0171.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on November 05, 2016, 09:33:50 AM
When my new Hatsan Striker 1000x came in, I put aside the Optima 3-9x32 scope it came with & installed a Hammers 3-9x32AO on it. The left over new Optima 3-9x32 scope went on the Crosman model 160. It's got a greater magnification range than the Weaver V22-A it replaces. Had to relocate the Robinson mounts, but it looks like it'll be even better?
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0216.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on November 25, 2016, 02:25:48 PM
Well, I was watching an English review of the QB78 air gun, & one reply mentioned a dealer in Lancaster that makes a modded valve assembly for it. Now, @#$%# said their valve will work with their seal kit, So I found https://woodfield-gcp.co.uk/?page_id=63 (https://woodfield-gcp.co.uk/?page_id=63) That carries some welsh willy products & contacted them about the valve. The poster said it raised the power right up to the 12 FPE limit they have over their. Thought it'd be worth checking in to?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on December 03, 2016, 04:12:03 PM
No go on the modded valve. Welsh willie didn't have a clue. So I guess I'll have to go to @#$%# for their gas valve & seal kit. Dang. Oh well, I'll track it down someday, one way or another? At least I'll be able to shoot it, raising the velocity with the Baracuda green domed .22's. They're lighter @ 12.65gr, & I know those will shoot up around 584FPS or so.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on December 16, 2016, 03:02:41 PM
Here's a newer shot of the 160 I took the other day. Still need to order new gas valve & seal kit from @#$%# to get it shootable again.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0251.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: chumpss on December 16, 2016, 03:16:10 PM
really cool!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: classicalgas on December 23, 2016, 04:58:42 PM
Nice save of a beat up old 160, looking real good. The archer valve should fit, and 160/QB's can make quite a bit of power (over 800 fps in .22, on co2 bulked and modded)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Motorhead on December 23, 2016, 07:00:58 PM
Pretty sweet rig now !
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on December 25, 2016, 04:58:52 PM
Sure is! They said I'd have to use their seal kit to install their gas valve. No biggy there. I'd love to get it up to 800FPS! Still studying up on all that. Not very heavy either, so it'll be easier to tote all day hunting after hip surgery.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 05, 2017, 02:37:24 PM
And by the by, I started a new thread in the Bargain Gate about this gun. check it out...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 14, 2017, 05:50:11 PM
A member on airgun Nation has messaged me about doing the minor machine work my gas valve assembly needs in order to shoot the gun again. Repair stripped gas tube-to-valve hole & ream exhaust valve end so undersize new valve stem will fit. Oh, what a happy day that'll be to finally get to shoot the old girl again after all that..." plastic surgery"!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 25, 2017, 01:39:18 PM
The member on the other forum that makes gas valves for big bores will be getting my 160 valve this Friday. He's confident he can bring it back to stock specs or better. Getting some good help from him & mike B south of me in regard to parts sources & modifications. Thanks to everyone so far for all the help! Looks like I'll be shooting it in a couple more weeks...finally!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 02, 2017, 05:38:17 PM
Well, the gas valve didn't go out till today, but the spacer material came in. About a 12" piece I need to cut to length that goes between the barrel & gas tube under the rear-sight area. I was missing that part...or inadvertently tossed it?
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0325.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 09, 2017, 06:05:32 PM
Well, when the gas valve finally came back from Florida, and the barrel spacer came in, I got to reassembling the rifle. The spacer material is at least 12" long, & I cut about 4" out of it. It now fits snugly between the gas tube cap & the front of the receiver tube. Airgun Nation member/machinist cleaned up the gas valve a bit, & checked everything out. So the rifle is now ready for initial testing, especially since my premium chronograph kit came in a little bit ago too. The tripod head also has it's own bubble level, necessary to the chronograph's front & rear sensors to read properly.
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0341.jpg)    (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0336.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: B67 on February 12, 2017, 11:23:37 PM
 I believe I have a butt plate for a 160 somewhere....
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 16, 2017, 05:34:00 PM
That'd be cool if it's in good shape? I need a new one, but haven't found any exactly like it yet. I got some 30 shots in with the Hatsan in that thread. Need better seating position to use front bag at this pistol-oriented range though.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: B67 on February 16, 2017, 09:10:42 PM
I believe it is brand new. I bought it thinking it would fit an old 140 I have and it was too big....If you could give me the dimensions I will try and find it...John
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: B67 on February 17, 2017, 12:46:35 PM
Hi, I actually have two of these. They appear to be brand new and have the Crosman  C logo in the middle. They measure about 5 inches at the longest and about 15/8 at the widest. Hole spacing is 31/2 inches between holes....John.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 18, 2017, 03:36:11 PM
The butt plate on mine measures about 4 3/4" long through the middle. About 1 5/8" across the middle of the widest part. Screw spacing is about 2 7/8" center-to-center. Here's a couple pics of the butt plate head on;
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0352.jpg)    (http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0348.jpg)
(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss71/unionrdr/IMG_0351.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: B67 on February 18, 2017, 09:01:56 PM
I guess that won't work. Mine are probably a little later or something....Well I tried. watch ebay for some one selling parts. That is where I find most of the old stuff....John.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 20, 2017, 11:34:51 AM
Yes, the stock shape did change quite early on. Started getting a sort of cheek piece going in later variants. The butt plates don't come up vary often for 160's. Just a lot for PB's and others that are close, but not quite. Many don't give dimensions either.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: TerryM on February 20, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
It's a pretty easy job to reshape an oversize butt plate.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 21, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
I got one on eBay that looks like a Remington that's close, but bolt holes don't line up. Can't work it down just right because of that. Gotta keep looking...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: ax57 on February 21, 2017, 07:16:22 PM
You can fill the holes in the stock with matchsticks and hide glue, let it cure, then sand it flush.  Then, use the Remington buttplate as a template to drill new holes.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 24, 2017, 01:24:33 PM
I'll have to see if it lines up with the butt stock shape again. I remember it was close. I'd prefer to have the proper original piece though...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 26, 2017, 12:04:20 PM
What a bummer. Set up target backstop, backed with 4" pink Styrofoam insulation backed by 3/4" particle board & a 2x12". Set up my new deluxe Caldwell chronograph with IR LED's, had son help me set up & align it all in my man cave. Went to load the usual two Co2 cartridges, screw down the piercing cap, cock the bolt. Kicked safety & it fired, but then all the gas leaked out. Worked the bolt a couple more times thinking valve stuck, but no. Any ideas what could be wrong with a newly restored rifle being loaded & shot the first time?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: TerryM on February 27, 2017, 07:27:42 AM
  One of my 180s did that recently, one that I resealed myself, after shooting it for four years or so.  Took it apart and replaced the valve o-ring, it was pinched/damaged.  So far, so good.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 27, 2017, 02:08:18 PM
I ordered a new replacement from a popular QB78 site. Should be here tomorrow or Wednesday. I need to fix it so I can get some chronograph numbers for Ohio DNR report I need to hand in at the Columbus office open house this Saturday. Then I can concentrate on just shooting & enjoying till left hip surgery 3/20. Then it'll be a couple months of rehab till I can pick up where I leave off.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on March 07, 2017, 06:57:12 AM
Well, I handed in my report to the state of Ohio. Did a video of the first successful test on chronograph of the Crosman 160 Pellgun .22.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_iJd0VjkKk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_iJd0VjkKk)
Chrono numbers are;
H&N Baracuda Green, 12.65gr
1) 650
2) 641
3) 629
4) 618
5) 599
6) 575
Average of six shots-
    618.67FPS
This is also with an intermittent leak to fix. Then it should even out & give a lot more shots per fill than 12. But, at 650FPS, that's some 100FPS improvement over factory valve. It was great to shoot it again though. It's been a long time,...much less a long time coming!
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: larspawn on March 07, 2017, 10:16:05 AM
Did you ever get your 160 to hold?  I read this post and made me run down to find mine.  I restored it about 6 years ago.  Got it in a lot of old rifles.  Refinished stock, polished up the metal and resealed it.  I had trouble getting the valve apart so I put in an extra QB78 valve I had.  IIRC I don't think it came with the peep but I found a Crosman labeled Williams S331. 

The last I shot it was two years ago and I was surprised that it was still holding CO2!  Ripped off 5 shots with RWS Superdomes 14.5gr and shots were all 510-500 fps.  Not bad for sitting for two years.  And the quick grouping without really trying was pretty tight!

Great guns.  Hope you sort yours out. 
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on March 26, 2017, 02:47:02 PM
Nice grouping from a really nice lookin' rifle! And the Williams S331 peeps came on the 160 Air force Trainer model. So it's period correct. But brighter lighting for the pic would've shown more detail. And your velocities prove that at least the addition of the A**** 160-167 replacement valve assembly in mine was good for 150FPS improvement shown in my March 7th post. And it still has an intermittent leak. Gonna remove the washer from behind the hammer spring and see if that does it?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on May 02, 2017, 09:03:16 AM
Okay. well, this past weekend was it. no more BS from this temperamental, finicky old sot. Fifth time trying to make it seal up last Saturday failed completely in only 3 shots! the worst try yet. Then Sunday dawned and I got some advice from a fellow air gunner who also knows a thing or three about Co2 guns. I removed and disassembled the new-style gas valve, which, as it turns out, is an old Crosman revision. I had to use a green Scotchbrite pad to polish the valve stem to free it up. It apparently was sticking open? Found three burrs on the edge of the black inner valve washer as well, so polished that out. Also polished the cocking and hammer pistons. They had some old yellow-brown oil staining varnished to the surface. I also unscrewed the gas valve housing parts to decompress the seal. oiled it well, then pushed it down the gas tube. I had to modify the hook eye on the end of my " dressing stick" from my hip patient dressing/ cleaning kit. It made a decent long-handled screwdriver. Tightening the housings back together presses the seal against the gas tube walls. Oiled the cocking and hammer pistons before reassembling the action. Basically oiled the heck out of everything that needed it with Pellgun oil, per Crosman tech's suggestion.
Got it all back together at last, last Sunday midday. Had it setting in the gun butler reinstalling the Optima 3-9x32 scope on Ron Robinson mounts. Lined it all up just right for better eye relief, and being able to easily use my thumb and forefinger to roll a pellet into the open breech. But first, worked the bolt and pulled the trigger to prime it. Gas ever so slightly leaked as I quickly thought to work the bolt again to stop it. Set up a 10M target on my junk mail and hard-foam-stuffed backstop. Loaded a pellet, wrapped up in the sling, breathed out slowly, and shot. It worked! Nine more times it worked without another leak! It's still sealed up as of right now! Here's a few pics showing what I've been describing;
https://imageshack.com/i/pmLxzuLHj    https://imageshack.com/i/pmoUgYjcj    https://imageshack.com/i/pmaEqzRQj    https://imageshack.com/i/pnXb5cb6j
https://imageshack.com/i/poE1179Ej
The three holes in the bottom of the 10M target are from Saturday's failed attempt. Sunday found my 3rd or 4th shot just a hair to the right of dead center! I was again using Beeman Silver Bears, 12.65gr. Happy as all get-out that she finally sealed up so I can shoot Redo video PT 2 if this dark, cloudy rainy, dreary stuff finally moves on.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Mackado on May 02, 2017, 03:21:12 PM
Glad you finally got it to hold, one thing I learned is to clean everything out with fave cleaner first of any old oil and deposits and then re-oil all parts with pell-oil/secret sauce before reassembly, I use a Q-tip to coat a layer of oil on the inside of valve,'o' rings, springs etc.

I neglected to do so and just quickly swapped 'O' rings supplied with the inexpensive kit, and now I had to re-do the CR180 that suddenly started to leak after two years with only maybe 40 shots (two Co2 carts) through it, back then I picked a cheap kit without stem valve and that is the part leaking now, I was told the Stems with Black seals are old (factory) and the rubber hardens and need replacing even if they look good to the eye.

I fashioned a homemade tool to remove the valve, easy to make with aluminum rod found at local hardware...

Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: TerryM on May 03, 2017, 09:35:44 AM
  All brass valve, nice.  I rebuilt my older 160 over the weekend.  I've been through several 180s but not a 160 till now.  A bit more involved, the 160 is overbuilt, on purpose.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Mackado on May 03, 2017, 04:24:47 PM
  All brass valve, nice.  I rebuilt my older 160 over the weekend.  I've been through several 180s but not a 160 till now.  A bit more involved, the 160 is overbuilt, on purpose.

Yes, my 2nd variant CR180 was given to me and was never touched since 1975 when it was stored in my closet's corner sealed inside a dry cleaner's plastic bag :D, I never shot it back then either, it was not holding, and the only tinker I knew at this young age that fixed my CR140 earlier,-- a retiree that worked out of his garage -- had passed on. 

Almost bought me a CR160 I saw recently on the yellow, but decided to wait since I have too many pending refurbishment work here already, but eventually will pick one up to try it out, I was pleasantly surprised how good it felt to shoot the CR180 Co2 before it leaked again, besides I just bought enough Co2 Carts on that deal posted on the bargain gate to last me through armageddon!..  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on May 04, 2017, 08:59:12 AM
You'll like the old 160 Pellgun's. Great guns when you get them to seal up finally, which I did. Polishing the valve stem and oiling it did the trick. As did polishing the cocking and hammer pistons as well with the green Scotchbrite pad. But the old girl had a few surprises of her own. The Caldwell deluxe chronograph shows them. I give some additional info as well, while finally getting to enjoy this great old rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWicPe66NLQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWicPe66NLQ&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on May 10, 2017, 07:30:27 AM
The old gal is still perfectly sealed, holding gas since that video after 10 shots or so. Got a new high velocity number of 660FPS too! That's 160FPS over factory original velocity.
http://imageshack.com/a/img924/2235/9fqDr7.jpg (http://imageshack.com/a/img924/2235/9fqDr7.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on May 28, 2017, 07:59:11 PM
And here are some .jpg's of the numbers my android app got from the pellets tested in the 160;
http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3664/0y1AQr.jpg (http://imageshack.com/a/img922/3664/0y1AQr.jpg)    http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3477/sflXdc.jpg (http://imageshack.com/a/img923/3477/sflXdc.jpg)    http://imageshack.com/a/img924/4940/J71X9F.jpg (http://imageshack.com/a/img924/4940/J71X9F.jpg)
http://imageshack.com/a/img922/2690/g8TC2m.jpg (http://imageshack.com/a/img922/2690/g8TC2m.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on July 10, 2017, 03:19:19 PM
And I thought the 160 Pellgun was a light, small rifle. HA! It's bigger than my 760 Powermaster we just found and cleaned yesterday. Here they are in the rack together. 760 on the right.
http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5633/9XNS42.jpg (http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5633/9XNS42.jpg)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: avator on July 10, 2017, 03:25:49 PM
Leonard..... If you dig a 4x4 Jeep out of that closet give me a holler... ok?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on July 10, 2017, 05:10:00 PM
Sure. Trade it for a crew cab lil four by... ;) I can't believe the stuff we're diggin outta there?! That's why I made a Youtube video of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6rWKCxPnZc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6rWKCxPnZc)  Made some new intro and outro pieces as well.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on July 20, 2017, 03:01:39 PM
Well, I was sighting in the old gal yesterday on a short range sight-in target I downloaded and finally got it real close to zero. Wondered why it was drifting left and right? Thought it was just me? So I then replaced that on the backstop with the 3 Gamo targets for a competition I'm in on a Face book airgun page called, "Air Rifle & Pistol Target Shooter's Group". Halfway through, I noticed it wasn't holding zero, so I sighted in on a logo to the upper right on the backstop to fix it. Doing that, I went back to my competition shots. 3 shots only in each of three targets for the next 6 weeks. Did pretty good considering the Optima 3-9x32 took a dump in the middle of it. The graduated rings around the adjuster screws went loose. But, in true jarhead fashion, I soldiered on and made it work.
After cleaning things up, I swapped on a Centerpoint 4x32 scope new I'd in turn swapped off the Crosman Optimus I bought my son for his 18th birthday last April. Gave him the Winchester 3-9x32 scope off the 1400cs. Here's some before and after pics. Gotta sight in all over again darn it. But sight pic at 10 yards is clear with the Centerpoint; not so with the Optima, even at 4X. Very clear in fact. My wife also let me use her late dad's Bushnell binoculars. Case, lens caps and all still look brand new! 7x32's that had Sportxxxx or other on the other side rear. Even the darn zipper around the top was still stiff! Perfectly clear image, even with my trifocals! Anyway, they made seeing the bullet holes way easier. I'll show the targets too.
sight-in target where I questioned Optima;                                                                                                                                                    competition targets;
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/itO62H.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poitO62Hj)    (http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/geWRVw.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pogeWRVwj)
After cleaning and Centerpoint 4x32 installed;                                                                                                                                              With optima 3-9x32 scope;
  (http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/923/gJiuoJ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pngJiuoJj)    (http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/923/zmovfT.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnzmovfTj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 08, 2017, 10:31:17 PM
Last weeks targets looked better with the Centerpoint and some adjustments that finally zero'd it after target #1;
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/923/lvWWr7.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnlvWWr7j)
Switched to RWS superpoint extra pellets @ 14.5gr for these targets;
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/FpBfbC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poFpBfbCj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 19, 2017, 07:38:13 PM
I used this gun in a new episode of Airgun Shooter!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maj8JjGeTrY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maj8JjGeTrY)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: A.K.A. Tommy Boy on September 23, 2017, 11:02:04 AM
Really good video Leonard !   :)  Good shooting and really nice #1 Gun you have !   ;)    Best Wishes - Tom
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 24, 2017, 07:14:41 PM
Thanks! I love the way that rifle came out. The wood grain glows in the right light. Nice oil-finished gleam to it. Shoots darn good and doesn't leak Co2 now at all.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on November 16, 2017, 07:38:44 AM
Tried the rifle out on my new Trigger Stick. Still holds gas from that last target shoot! Man, those new seals/gas valve working great!
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/923/l54I7O.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnl54I7Oj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on December 04, 2017, 11:19:53 AM
Well, since I couldn't find any Centerpoint 4x32's outside of the Crosman site, much less for under their $49.99 price tag, I settled for the one that got decent reviews from the Walmart Air rifle isle. Much debated back-n-forth by Kenny and Joe- the Simmons 4x32, " .22 MAG" as they named it. It's got the same Plex reticle originally called the Dual X by Weaver when I bought my V22-A, 3-6x18 .22 scope back in the 70's. It's just as clear as the Centerpoint with the same classic reticle. But only cost $29.97 @ Walmart in one of those so-called, " blister packs"! That's a savings of $20 right off the top. So here's a couple comparison pics I just did to show some comparative differences between the Simmons 4x32 and the Centerpoint 4x32. Most notably, the Simmons has a 1" diameter tube. Better light gathering ability, even though the Centerpoint/160 Pellgun combo is a tack driver at 10 yards;
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/923/9Kn1nR.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn9Kn1nRj)
  It is also readily noticeable that the Simmons has easier-to-use adjusters that don't require a coin or screwdriver;

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/923/UKO5mF.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnUKO5mFj)
  And the famous/infamous blister pack;
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/OcSdwT.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poOcSdwTj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 15, 2018, 11:23:51 AM
Okay, since a member asked me to post chronograph readouts, and not just the videos in the Trail .25cal thread, here...we...go...!
RWS superpoint extra, 14.5gr, .22cal;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/jmnaVx.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnjmnaVxj)
Gamo Platinum PBA, 9.7gr. This is the pellet that gave the highest FPS of 660. Unfortunately, I didn't seem to have saved that fouled-up readout?;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/M7QKed.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnM7QKedj)
H&N Baracuda green, 12.65gr;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/1uercm.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pm1uercmj)
H&N sniper light,14gr;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/rpeJZt.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/porpeJZtj)
Gamo Rocket, 14.3gr;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/4JL0Z6.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn4JL0Z6j)
Beeman silver bear, 12.65gr;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/Zcla9x.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poZcla9xj)
These numbers should help quite a bit with these antique Co2 rifles, classics all!
**PS- I looked at A again and the XP tuned valve for the QB78 will work in the 160 too! Said to be worth 70FPS, that'd bring her up to about 730FPS! I'll be buying and installing it for testing asap.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/a4tihC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pna4tihCj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/jUAHh3.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pojUAHh3j)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: Trey1911 on January 15, 2018, 02:40:54 PM
Interesting read.... learned a bit from the posts. It has to be fun to restore a nice find.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 15, 2018, 06:51:03 PM
It sure was a pleasure to create a treasure! I hope I've committed enough to film and the written word to help someone else do the same? I've got enough to keep me busy for awhile with 4 rifles and 3 stocks to work on! So there's a lot more coming! Check out my new profile pic, it's a seldom-seen side of the 160 Pellgun variant 1.
I changed the pic in question, so here it is;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/2IpA4z.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn2IpA4zj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 21, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
I also found out recently that the "A" gas valve called an "XP" tuned one for the QB78 fits my 160 Pellgun. It's supposed to be good for another 70FPS by itself. Another 130 with the XP tune kit that doesn't retrofit the 160. I also wish I could use their left-hand bolt receiver kit with Weaver rail machined in. But oh well. The gas valve will/should kick her up to some 730FPS?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/a4tihC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pna4tihCj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/2IpA4z.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn2IpA4zj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 22, 2018, 03:12:23 PM
And, after looking through the 160 Pellgun's chronograph folder, and finding a few pellets I hadn't tested, I decided to do so, while I wait to get paid again to order the QB78 gas valve assembly that'll give another 70FPS. I noticed I hadn't tested the CPHP's @ 14.3gr, nor the H&N FTT's @ 14.66gr. And I definitely was so sure the H&N hornet @ 16.2gr was going to be way too heavy!? Well, First off, I'm now thinking I haven't cleaned the barrel since last time, since some numbers are a bit lower than I figured. Still decent, considering temp as well. I also searched for and found how far above sea level I am, and input that number. It was zero thus far. So maybe that had a negative effect, rather than a positive one? Here's the readouts, with temp and humidity;
CPHP, 14.3gr;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/OryAfq.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/poOryAfqp)
H&N FTT, 14.66gr;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/6zgBEU.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn6zgBEUp)
H&N hornet, 16.2gr...these were a surprise!;
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/5WW5DS.png) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn5WW5DSp)
  Now, imagine what these numbers could look like wth the QB78 XP tuned gas valve it's getting soon?...
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: kelvinator on January 22, 2018, 04:32:25 PM
Leonard, my 160 was getting 40 shots in the 650 - 680 fps range with 14.3g CP's when I first got it, stock valve and fresh seals.
I put in a modded valve form Mike at Flying Dragon, which appears very similar to "A"'s valve.
When I first put it in, I substituted the stiff spring in the modded valve for the softer one from my stock valve.
It did about 730 fps but only got about 15 - 20 shots with velocity dropping every shot.
I didn't care for the loss in shot count and dropping velocity, So, I put the stock valve back in and left it for a while.
Then, one day, it dawned on me, I should try the modded valve with the stiff spring it came with. I know, DUH right?
So I swapped it out, again, and wow......it now gets 720 - 730 fps for the first 30 shots and another 10 shots dropping to 650 fps for a total of 40 good shots, same as the stock valve.
So, yes, it was about a 60 - 70 fps gain, and same number of shots on the two 12g cars.
I like it very much, leaving the modded valve in.
 
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 22, 2018, 08:38:11 PM
I'm definitely going to refer back to your observations. Good stuff, as I noticed the changes in springs, for example, in the upgrade seal/assembly parts kits I bought from "A" and Baker south of me. I went from like 50 shots down to 25 on the nose with the " replacement" valve. Just a newly machined version of Crosman's redesign from 1963. But I'm down like 100FPS. Need to clean the barrel and polish the valve innards again, maybe? Cause the 660FPS came from the platinum PBA @ 9.7gr. But the 11.71 came from the RWS superpoint extra @ 14.5gr? Something's wrong here? Could just be the temp? I have my heater set for 69F, but the APP read 61F. The rifle's metal parts were definitely cold. So That could most likely account for the loss of velocity?
  That said, any chance to shoot such a wonderful antique rifle is always welcome! I can't wait now to get the two 760's restomodded! Those will be great to try after so much work too! It'll be a good chance to put the Simmons 4x32 scopes to the acid test they deserve. Walmart blister pack scopes aren't always jounk.
By the by, I also took out the hammer spring washer they gave in the assembly kit...or maybe one of the seal kits? I forget now? I thought it performed better without it on the back of the hammer spring? Now I'm wondering again?
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on January 28, 2018, 12:42:29 PM
Well, My suspicions proved correct. The bore on the 160 was filthy! So the numbers are likely down from actual. I'll have to re-shoot them just to see if they go up after cleaning, which is the usual. At the least, I'll use this rifle in the shooting challenge.
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on February 05, 2018, 07:21:03 PM
My new "A" XP-tuned gas valve assembly arrived today. It's allegedly worth an additional 70FPS wit their seals, which I already used. As can be seen in the photo, it comes with some more seals as well. Should boost it up to as much as 730FPS, being 660 now? Gotta get busy soon...
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/R349Qz.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmR349Qzj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on March 14, 2018, 08:03:56 PM
I finally got all three tins of new pellets delivered I wanted to test in the Crosman 160 Pellgun v1. Here is video part 1 with A's 160 gas valve upgrade. Then I'll replace the upgrade valve with the QB78 XP-Tuned valve I have that also works in the 160 Pellgun. Then retest all 3 pellets, along with the RWS superpoint extras it likes best currently;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilcwtG5F-XA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilcwtG5F-XA&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on May 09, 2018, 08:52:38 PM
well, I got the old girl out to shoot out the remaining Co2 in it. It was a joy to shoot it again, rather than getting out the next resto rifle. Shot mostly Sig-Sauer Crux's and a couple RWS Superpoint Extras before the gas ran out. The Crux's were definitely the louder of the two! Now she's ready for video part to of testing after the XP-Tuned valve gets installed. I'll be getting to that real soon!
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/pQyFHG.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/popQyFHGj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on August 15, 2018, 05:48:27 PM
I've added a new scope to the mix in this episode of Airgun Fan!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTMVNxG2Uk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDTMVNxG2Uk)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 19, 2018, 01:19:27 PM
I really need to get going on part 2 of the valve upgrade videos. But for now, here's a pic of the 160 with the new Winchester 4x32AO scope. Just barely fits the rifle in the Ron Robinson mounts. But is adjustable down to 15ft, and 30ft, (5 & 10 yards, respectively) below the yard markings. That should prove handy.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/M1O9ug.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmM1O9ugj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on September 27, 2018, 06:38:06 PM
Yesterday afternoon, I started a bit of polishing on the XP-Tuned gas valve parts for the final 160 Pellgun upgrade. The valve stem was scored a bit, but I'm slowly getting it smoothed out. Started with 600-grit emery paper and green Scotchbrite pad. Think it needs to be taken to about 1,000 grit?

   (https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/gOamvp.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pngOamvpj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/gor0Gq.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pogor0Gqj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/MjPY0V.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poMjPY0Vj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on October 09, 2018, 10:03:22 PM
Part 2 of the Crosman 160 Pellgun valve Upgrades is on Airgun Fan!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIGN86-07Gk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIGN86-07Gk)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on December 26, 2018, 11:42:37 AM
Well, as some of you may know, I changed the name of my Youtube show again. It's now, " The Airgun Tinker". My newest logo looks like a village tinker's sign.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/q3Iv4W.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poq3Iv4Wj)
  And I finally got a picture of all three of my vintage Crosman Co2 rifles together. Left to right, 160 Pellgun variant 1, 55-56. Model 700 Pell Master, 4/69, all original. Model#70 Pellgun, 1974.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/7bTzyw.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po7bTzywj)
Title: Re: Surprise closet find!!!
Post by: unionrdr on May 09, 2020, 02:33:30 PM
Well, it's been awhile since I installed the XP-Tuned gas valve. I also got the Caldwell G2, and a cheap tablet computer that eats batteries too fast. I really want to get back into testing again. So I'm hoping the seals didn't dry out so I can keep the great seal this thing had for testing.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/921/EBRBJd.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plEBRBJdj)