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Motorhead:
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--- Quote from: Motorhead on November 27, 2022, 04:38:01 PM ---How about Mental State and keeping it real for expectations ?

If shooting with pellets in ANY caliber .. 100 yards or more is Way the He ll out there !!!
If shooting Slugs in the common .177 / .22 / .25 calibers .. 150 is far and 200+ is way the He ll out there !!!
If shooting .257 to .30 or larger then ones expectations at distance are improved somewhat. 

If one follows whats shared / bragged about on the web as being commonly practical or feasible your going to be disappointed.

JMO ... nuttin more.

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WOW!  Asking for advice on improving my techniques and my mental state is called into question!  Thanks Scott.

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Was a general .. not directed at you personally Ken.
Sorry if it sounded as such ...  MY BAD  :-[

customcutter:

--- Quote from: Motorhead on November 27, 2022, 08:00:57 PM --- :-[
--- Quote from: customcutter on November 27, 2022, 07:02:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: Motorhead on November 27, 2022, 04:38:01 PM ---How about Mental State and keeping it real for expectations ?

If shooting with pellets in ANY caliber .. 100 yards or more is Way the He ll out there !!!
If shooting Slugs in the common .177 / .22 / .25 calibers .. 150 is far and 200+ is way the He ll out there !!!
If shooting .257 to .30 or larger then ones expectations at distance are improved somewhat. 

If one follows whats shared / bragged about on the web as being commonly practical or feasible your going to be disappointed.

JMO ... nuttin more.

--- End quote ---

WOW!  Asking for advice on improving my techniques and my mental state is called into question!  Thanks Scott.

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Was a general .. not directed at you personally Ken.
Sorry if it sounded as such ...  MY BAD  :-[

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No worries Scott.  Sometimes things don't come across the way they are meant in the written word.  Have a great evening!

KevinJBrown:
Here’s a few thoughts. I like the idea of this thread; especially if we keep it from cluttering up someone’s submission for NUAH.
1. Holding on target at 100 yards is no different for whatever you are shooting. Also really shouldn’t change much for your magnification and range. Training will tell here. I hold about 1/4 MOA prone, better on a bench, or rested, worse for other positions.
2. The difference in where you hit is your ability, plus the accuracy of the system you are using, plus external affects. For example the way I have my Marauder set up it shooting just under 2 MOA. This doesn’t change if I’m shooting at 50, 75, or 100 yards. What does change at those ranges is wind and other external affects on the projectile after it leaves the barrel. Most of my groups outside over 5 shots are shot around 2 MOA.
3. Most of the people that trained me taught me to use a rear bag to squeeze and move crosshairs only a small amount (less than 1 MOA) and when I relaxed my squeeze the crosshairs should stay very close to where I moved them (not move around a bunch). Basically when I relax my hold on the rifle, the crosshairs shouldn’t hardly move.

customcutter:

--- Quote from: KevinJBrown on November 27, 2022, 10:02:24 PM ---Here’s a few thoughts. I like the idea of this thread; especially if we keep it from cluttering up someone’s submission for NUAH.
1. Holding on target at 100 yards is no different for whatever you are shooting. Also really shouldn’t change much for your magnification and range. Training will tell here. I hold about 1/4 MOA prone, better on a bench, or rested, worse for other positions.
2. The difference in where you hit is your ability, plus the accuracy of the system you are using, plus external affects. For example the way I have my Marauder set up it shooting just under 2 MOA. This doesn’t change if I’m shooting at 50, 75, or 100 yards. What does change at those ranges is wind and other external affects on the projectile after it leaves the barrel. Most of my groups outside over 5 shots are shot around 2 MOA.
3. Most of the people that trained me taught me to use a rear bag to squeeze and move crosshairs only a small amount (less than 1 MOA) and when I relaxed my squeeze the crosshairs should stay very close to where I moved them (not move around a bunch). Basically when I relax my hold on the rifle, the crosshairs shouldn’t hardly move.

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Thanks Kevin.  One reason I was asking is I was using an inexpensive Caldwell rest.  I think in the first group (my best), I was actually moving the back of the rest to align the target perfectly and also using the height adjustment.

In later groups either due to fatigue or laziness, I was pushing the front of the gun against the front section of the rest if alignment was close, rather than moving the rear to align it.  Also I tried lifting the back of the gun instead of adjusting the height with the adjustment on the front of the rest.  I noticed the groups opening up, and think it was a possible cause for in-accuracy.

As soon as the wind lays down, I'll try again.

ER00z:
This is a longer post, hopefully not too rambly and somewhat helpful...

One thing I've done to help when taking long shots is to get squared up behind the rifle. Sitting canted might be more comfortable for some, but it could cause issues if you have a jumpy rifle (you want the rifle to come straight back, being canted it can deflect some). Also, you don't want to strain in any way to be able to get on target, whether be it your neck/head or having to "steer" the rifle. I've been using a foam "x" block/front rest and a homemade rear bag (or a rifle mounted bipod if equipped and rear bag). What I'm using is lightweight but seems to do alright, I like to be able to shift position fairly quickly/easily but admittedly give up some steadiness. Another tip for shooting targets at distance is to put a few out at once, having to walk down and back a few times is great for getting steps in, but not great when trying to print tight groups, Lol. Try not to load up on stimulants (caffeine, nicotine, etc.) prior to shooting, or it'll get your heart rate up and makes it harder to shoot between heartbeats. Optic (scope) magnification is a personal choice, but I prefer not to over magnify as each movement is amplified. I'd rather give up some zoom in exchange for bit less twitchiness. Wind reading is important too, I like to have flags or streamers out around 20, 50 and 100 yards if possible just to see what's happening down range.

Scott really nailed it with keeping expectations real (and mental state, Lol). I wish I could say every hundred yard group I've shot was 2" or less, but can't. I've had a few very good one's, but have had many not so great one's too. Windless days results are usually very good, but those days are few and far between. I usually hope for 2 to 3 MOA with pellets on any given day, if I can do better than that I'm always happy. I've come to the conclusion to shoot a few practice shots then shoot two official targets and call it quits at distance and/or switch to shooting steel, tin cans or whatever. Doing this keeps things fun. I figure I'll get what I get on any particular outing, no sense in driving myself mad trying to print tighter groups. Usually I do my best early on anyways.

In short, I've shot my best "official" 100 yard group with a foam front rest, homemade rear bag and a fixed 10X optic. Winds were calm and a fair bit of luck was involved.

As always, take this with a grain of salt, Lol. I'm definitely no pro  :P  ;D  ;)

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