Target shooting the RWS 34



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Target shooting the RWS 34
« on: October 12, 2013, 08:09:48 PM »

  I am a new member here, i got into air guns a few months ago. i retired from hi power BR Competition, and i recently also retired, I started with the RWS 34 in 22 ca, then i went to a Disco 177 and now i want to try a underlever type rifle, been reading up on a XS46U if I go this route and have it tuned by Mike, will this rifle shoot as good as my RWS 34 in 22 cal, i mainly shoot paper targets for group, i see alot of users here have tons of air rifles, this will be my third, is this a wise choice for giving the RWS34 competition. if users here feel that I am going backwards in accuracy, please say so. i may look for alternatives.


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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2013, 08:58:25 PM »
I don't know that you'll really be going backward in accuracy.  The XS 46U only has a single stage trigger.  If you can work with that you're in.  If not you'll need to continue shopping.  The only remaining inexpensive under levers are the Gamo CFR and the Hatsun.  From there it's German and English, which are much more expensive.  Hopefully you'll find what you seek and get what you pay for.
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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2013, 09:05:23 PM »
I have a Tech Force 99 which is more or less a older version of the  XS46U, I wouldn't be scared to put it against a 34 any day. I would buy one and will before Christmas, I would have Mike ram it and work his magic on it and feel real good about it.
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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2013, 09:36:56 PM »
I agree with JR my TF 99p  I bought. Two yrs ago was  crazy good from the box and once mm put his  touch  on  it....  It's never leaving me  if  I have anything to do with it... Mike also  work out the trigger to a pretty light nice predictable pull.  Mine is .22 cal and I can put pellets dime and under at 30yds with the right circumstances.  Heavy gun but has really nice dark stock! Well worth  $100-120

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2013, 11:03:07 AM »

 the Air rifle does not have to be on the inexpensive side, I had an interest on the TF99 as one user mentioned, but it is a bit on the heavy side, as for accurate underlevers since i am new here. from what am reading the TX 200 and HW97 seem to lead the way. what confuses me is the barrel length on the TX 200 MK III is only 9" lg, how can it build up the velocity in such a short barrel, must have a mighty powerplant. . or is it the design of under lever type air rifles that they cannot incorporate a much longer barrel. will this XS46U shoot groups 1/2 as good as the 2 top contender underlever type rifles. i probably can save a bit and wait another 2 months and afford the TX 200 MKIII if it will constantly shoot tighter groups over any of the competition, only reason i have the XS46U in mind because i figured it to be an accurate rifle, not really for the inexpensive end. if there is an underlever type air rifle out there that i am not aware of that is as accurate as my D34, i would love to hear what it is, if it need be the TX 200 then I will save up, now i do know the TX 200 MK III will out shoot the D34,
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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2013, 11:32:22 AM »
I haven't looked in a while but I thought I read somewhere that the B-26 was the clone of the TX-200, like the B-25 is a clone of the Diana 34?

I don't know if the true TX-200 comes as an under-leaver, pardon the inexperience.  I just know that I enjoy my B-25's so much and have heard nothing but positive things said about the TX, that it caught my ear at one time as an inexpensive way to get close.

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2013, 11:43:35 AM »
I believe. B-26  is a  r-9  clone.... Has the cloned trigger and all

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2013, 01:36:11 PM »
Now that I hear it, my brain just screamed, "THAT was was it was".  Sometimes the best way for me to really remember something is to publicly screw it up.

Thanks for setting my remembry right!

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2013, 01:48:06 PM »
Chet,

Regarding the 9" barrel and power. A springer does not generate more power from a longer barrel a la firearms and pneumatic airguns. So the TX barrel does not hold it back for power. The TX 200 shoots around 15 fpe stock which is good power for a springer but not so much to make it hard to control.

It is possible that the short barrel is an advantage for accuracy. The sooner the pellet exits the barrel the less influence the rifles recoil affects the muzzle.

The TX 200 is popular with field target shooters because it is highly accurate and powerful enough to have a fairly flat trajectory in .177 cal. The flat trajectory helps the shooter to score the target at various ranges between 10 and 55 yards.

The BR shooter, on the other hand, probably has more interest in bucking the wind than flat trajectory. A heavier pellet (.22, .25, .30 cal?) may be a better  for tight groups outdoors at any given range.

My .02 would be to get the TX 200 but I have never had one so take my advice with a grain of salt. I 'll bet your Disco could compete in the accuracy department with whatever spiringer you end up with.

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2013, 02:11:49 PM »

  HI Mark

   thanks for the input, and yes the Disco is so accurate at 15yds, at first the trigger was horrible, then i did the 3 screw mod and it was better, and last week i relocated a hole in the lower link to change the leverage for easier and a smooth pull. going to read up on the tx200 clone model.

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2013, 02:40:00 PM »
As far as I know a TX200 clone was a Chinese B40 (out of production).  But Crosman has a Bemjamin Mav77 made by the same Chinese gun factory with said to have a few changes.  Was announced a couple of years ago and still not on store shelves.  Some members swear by their Gamo CFR with a CDT trigger mod for accuracy (fixed barrel underlever).  Which was a replacement for the Gamo CFX (some say a better made rifle).  JMO
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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2013, 02:45:16 PM »
As far as I know a TX200 clone was a Chinese B40 (out of production).  But Crosman has a Bemjamin Mav77 made by the same Chinese gun factory with said to have a few changes.  Was announced a couple of years ago and still not on store shelves.
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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2013, 05:15:37 PM »
If you want accuracy and  can wait, get a TX or 77/97.

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2013, 08:29:11 PM »
^ +1......worth the wait....without a doubt!!!!! Mine makes me smile every time I shoot it!! It screams quality!!
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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2013, 09:29:52 PM »
Chet,

I don't believe the clones are available anywhere right now. That may change but don't hold your breath.

For what it's worth I don't think you can go wrong with a Chinese rifle tuned by Mike Melick. (Flying Dragon airguns).

Have you considered any of the classic or current 10m rifles? They are incredibly accurate. Rifles like the FWB 300 or the HW 55 or Walther LGV are some of the oldies to consider. All of the new offerings are PCP of course.

There is also the Diana 54 (RWS) that has the sled anti-recoil system that can be had new. Very accurate and easier to shoot from a bench.

Lots of options out there but I think you are on the right track with the TX. If you don't like it you can always sell it for not much loss and try something else.

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2013, 11:29:38 PM »
Chet,

Regarding the 9" barrel and power. A springer does not generate more power from a longer barrel a la firearms and pneumatic airguns. So the TX barrel does not hold it back for power. The TX 200 shoots around 15 fpe stock which is good power for a springer but not so much to make it hard to control.

It is possible that the short barrel is an advantage for accuracy. The sooner the pellet exits the barrel the less influence the rifles recoil affects the muzzle.

The TX 200 is popular with field target shooters because it is highly accurate and powerful enough to have a fairly flat trajectory in .177 cal. The flat trajectory helps the shooter to score the target at various ranges between 10 and 55 yards.

  I also read that the tx 200 is most popular and winning est rifle. i am not sure of the rules in the game, I know PCP are very accurate, can they be used in the same class, if so, is the tx 200 as or more accurate then say a Maruader.


The BR shooter, on the other hand, probably has more interest in bucking the wind than flat trajectory. A heavier pellet (.22, .25, .30 cal?) may be a better  for tight groups outdoors at any given range.

My .02 would be to get the TX 200 but I have never had one so take my advice with a grain of salt. I 'll bet your Disco could compete in the accuracy department with whatever spiringer you end up with.

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2013, 12:11:55 AM »
If you go with one of MM 46U it will please you . much more powerful the the 34 will ever be. dead on a true hammer.
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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2013, 02:13:01 PM »

 HI  codytwoeyes

  Still have the XS46U in mind, should i go this route, it will be done by MM at Flying Dragon

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2013, 10:49:50 AM »
The Diana 48 is very accurate, and balances well in hand.  More power (18fpe) and a superior trigger.  Get the real deal. ;)

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Re: Target shooting the RWS 34
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2013, 12:03:25 PM »
If you go with one of MM 46U it will please you . much more powerful the the 34 will ever be. dead on a true hammer.

I have a .22 browning leverage that I really like. It is accurate, but the trigger is really not great and can't be made that much better. An RWS gun with a T06 trigger will be so much better. Quality throughout and generally very accurate. Want light weight and simplicity, go for a 34. Need more power? A 48 or 460 will fit the bill. The difference in the trigger alone for me is worth the premium price.
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