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shipping air gun to Michigan??
« on: August 10, 2012, 09:44:05 AM »
I have read so many conflicting regulations about shipping air rifles to Michigan.  Some retailers will not ship, others say I need paperwork from the police department.  Does anyone know what the real deal is on this?  I am in Canada, just acrosss the border from Detroit, and it just makes things soooo much simpler pick my items up in Detroit.
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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2012, 10:34:27 AM »
Depends on what it is your shipping.
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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2012, 10:44:19 AM »
would not be anything larger than .22 caliber springer
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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2012, 10:48:15 AM »
Michigan does not go by caliber laws.

If the gun has a rifled barrel and is shorter then 30" the buyer needs a permit.

Any other air gun can exchange hands with no paperwork.
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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2012, 11:07:04 AM »
Thanx for that info!  Keeps things nice and simple. 
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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 03:02:52 PM »
I second what Grumpy said I live there as well.  The online retailers are clueless what the Michigan code actually says.  A poorly worded definition of "firearms" orginally included to prevent regualtion of Plymouth, Michigan company called Daisy from being regulated has had its interpetation changed over the years from the original intent.

Bottom line is the only restriction is the less than 30 inches rifled barrel needs a pistol permit.  That is in our state capital in a bill right now to be deleted. 

The only requirement to purchase a firearm in Michigan is to be eligible under the Federal 1968 Gun Control Act(CGA).  The 1968 CGA specificcaly does NOT apply to air guns.  So air guns are NOT regulated at all except for the pistol permit stuff.

 Whats screws up online retailers is the definition of a firearm including airguns. They think because its a "firearm" by Michigan law it must be restricted BUT they are TOO LAZY to read what the Michigan Firearm sales rule actually says.

Sorry for the rant but it is a pet peeve for me.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2012, 03:15:10 PM »
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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 12:45:21 AM »
they are behind as Michigan recently changed and now approves (@*#&%(*@&) if they are legal per Federal laws.

The stupid pistol stuff looks like its going away very soon

Michigan:  Senate Judiciary Committee to Vote on Repeal of Permit to Purchase and Registration this Wednesday

This Wednesday, August 15, the Michigan Senate Judiciary Committee will vote on legislation to repeal Michigan’s “permit-to-purchase” and registration requirements for handguns.  House Bill 5225, which seeks to replace the state handgun “permit-to-purchase” requirement with the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), already passed in the state House of Representatives by an overwhelming 74 to 36 vote (found on page 14 of the House Journal) on June 13.  Additionally, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hear the two companion bills to HB 5225,  House Bill 5498 and House Bill 5499, both of which also passed in the state House and were sent to the Senate last month.

HB 5225, sponsored by state Representative Paul Opsommer (R-93), would repeal the outdated and duplicative “permit-to-purchase” requirement.  Under the current state process, gun buyers must apply with their local law enforcement agency and pass a written test before being authorized to buy a handgun.  This “permit” is valid for only one gun and it expires after ten days.  This process became obsolete when the NICS took effect in 1998.  Since that time, federal law has required a national criminal records check for the purchase of any firearm, from any gun dealer, in every state. The NRA has been working diligently to repeal the antiquated, costly and unnecessary “permit-to-purchase” obstacle for gun owners, and has coordinated with several state Representatives to produce new language for HB 5225.

HB 5225 as amended would, if enacted:

Repeal the state requirement to seek police permission to purchase a firearm by traveling to a local police station and obtaining a permit to purchase.
Repeal the requirement for a law-abiding citizen to register a legally purchased and owned firearm with the government through the police.
Adopt the use of the federally-funded National Instant Criminal Background Check System.
Cut Michigan’s costs by using the federally-administered National Instant Background Check System and eliminate wasted man-hours of tracking lawful gun owners in Michigan.
Default to the federal standard of prohibited persons and require a background check for each purchase.
The two companion firearm reform bills are also before the Senate Judiciary Committee this Wednesday:  HB 5498, sponsored by state Representative Richard LeBlanc (D-18), provides for legal penalties relating to firearms and other weapons.  HB 5499, sponsored by state Representative Ray Franz (R-101), clarifies the regulations regarding the sale of firearms to “prohibited persons” and makes them consistent with federal standards.

Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee have an opportunity this Wednesday to help make history and bring Michigan’s firearms laws up-to-date with the rest of the country.  Please contact members of the Senate Judiciary Committee and respectfully urge them to support House Bills 5225, 5498, and 5499.

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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 01:03:22 AM »
It'll be great once they get rid of that stupid 30" law..
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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 10:24:19 AM »
hey-Hey!!!,
they passed the House; http://www.lapeercountycpl.com/important-news--michigan-house-votes.html

now on to the Senate.
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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 12:59:39 PM »
If in doubt just go through a local FFL.
Federal law only concerns real firearms not air rifles.  However each state gets to  create whatever  nonsense cluster**** they please for laws.  Some of them, like NJ, have gone way far overboard.

Gun transport has become a hodge podge of nonsense and tom foolery thanks to nancy pants "dang" fool legislators who are pandering to the most  unsavory  of demographics.  Then of course  there are the idiot municipalities who also get to make laws that don't get reported in any nationally available register so there's about Zippidy Doo Dah chance of you being able to find out what they are in advance, absent you calling each city in question and hoping that you find someone who knows and is willing to advise.

 



 

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Re: shipping air gun to Michigan??
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 02:06:46 PM »
I knew I could buy a rifle in Michigan, the grey area was if I could get one shipped to Michigan.  The law states that I must fill out an export form to take a rifle from the States to Canada, but I am thinking that only applies to powder burners.  Its time to add a few more air rifles....and I am not buying in Canada.  Bringing a rifle into Canada is no problem providing I have a PAL (possession & acquisition licence) which I should have issued to me any day now.  The PAL  is required if bringing in something over 495 fps. 
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