Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?



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Offline RCTrax05

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Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« on: July 13, 2012, 10:11:57 PM »
Today, as I wandered the isles of the local WalMart, I noticed a new airgun -- the Crosman 'Fury'... It looks like a Phantom stock, with a barrel similar to the nitro venom (no open sights, and a plastic "muzzle break").... The package implies that it is a standard .177 springer, with 1200fps using alloy pellets, so probably about 1000fps with lead..?

It was priced at $89...

I didn't buy one, and figured I'd try to research it a bit before I did... Surprise! even on the WalMart and/or Crosman web sites, I cannot find ANY information on it. (Crosman lists a manual for a 'Fury" AG, but that is a Nitro Piston gun, with open sights.)

Has anyone tried one of these?
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2012, 11:46:59 PM »
Saw one today in my local Walmart but didn't notice the price.  According to the manual ( http://www.crosman.com/pdf/manuals/CF1K77NP-OM.pdf ) it is a nitro piston.

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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2012, 11:59:00 PM »
Haven't seen them at my wally world yet.
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 12:19:09 AM »
I saw them, they just slighty redesigned the phantom threw in a crappy scop and called it a day
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2012, 10:55:43 AM »
yeah... saw them yesterday. I dont think they have a nitro piston... it does not say that anywhere in the box, and we all know how much does crosman like to publicize the NP...

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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2012, 12:44:58 AM »
Well... I gave in and bought one of these WalMart/Crosman 'Fury' airguns...

SURPRISE! It has turned out to be a very nice airgun! In appearance, it is most like pictures of the G1 Extreme, and it is NOT a 'nitro' AG. As everyone noted, the scope is the usual CenterPoint 4x32 el-cheapo. Caliber is .177. The front "muzzle brake" is identical to the one on my Nitro Venom dusk...

I only have about 150 pellets through the gun so far, but the results are, as noted earlier, very good...

On my Beta Chrony, it has a 10 shot average of 937.6fps w/ CPHP'S... The 'extreme spread' for all 10 shots was only 7.5 fps, and the standard deviation was only 2.5 -- amazingly consistent for "out of the box"... (High was 942.6 fps, low was 9.35.1)

I used techniques posted here on the forum to adjust the scope's parallax for the shorter distances of my indoor range (10yds), and that really helped with accuracy -- I was able to zero the scope and verify the zero in under 20 shots...

I have only done preliminary pellet testing, since I assume the "favorite" pellet may change as it continues to break in, but this also gave me a chance to confirm the accuracy. I tested 10 pellets, and the current "favorite" turned out to be Destroyer EX's. Shooting the pellet test in a single session, ALL  the 5 shot groups (at 10yds) were under 0.63" or less. Since I am not the steadiest shooter, even with a paint-roller rest, I normally measure the best 4 out of 5 hits for each pellet -- those tended to range from 0.22" to 0.4"...  (Pellets tested were Crosman CPHP's, Hunting/pointed, and Destroyer EX's, along with Beeman Hollow Points and Pointed, RWS SuperDomes, Pointed, and "Meisterkugeln" wadcutters...

Of course, the AG has the usual not very good Crosman trigger, but we all know how to cure that (CDT)...

Anyway -- I thought I'd share my results with the rest of you...
« Last Edit: July 19, 2012, 12:49:20 AM by RCTrax05 »
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 10:34:34 AM »
with that price ($89) - how can you go wrong? Seems like a great deal.
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 02:44:08 PM »
I saw them at my local Walmart earlier this morning except they had it listed for $114.00   I figured it was just another rebagged  phantom but I did like the new muzzle brake. 

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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2012, 03:00:41 AM »
I just saw them at Wally world and it is the ohantum minus open sites and plastic muzzle break. It's got a tried and true powerplant but I like open sites on the phantom just my mho...Jim..
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2012, 10:50:47 AM »
I have just bought this gun.
and let me say it is very accurate when it gets sighted in.
got mine for 105$ with tax.
very great gun for the price. :D
I am just waiting for some reviews and specs. Of this gun.
what i saw in it is thatbthe stock is from a phantom exactly like it.
(Only thing i hate it sounds like a 22. Very loud but i guess it started to get lower after a couple shoots)by the way its a 177. Cal. Works great with lead pellets(1000fps) nom lead (1200fps)
its great
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2012, 10:09:39 PM »
shoot the heaviest lead pellet you got... clean the bore with goo gone and make sure your stock screws are tightened every 100 shots or so... in 500 to 1000 open it up, clean the guts, mildly lube with moly and reassemble. enjoy. its grandpa the extreme and its daddy the phantom were great guns...

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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2012, 10:11:26 PM »
Just saw Fury at local Walmart (Naperville, IL). It's only 695 fps here in IL
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2012, 11:41:19 AM »
Yeah, it's that "under 700fps", firearm definition law in Illinois...sorry.   Head Northwest across the border, with your FOID, and you can probly get one.

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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2012, 09:06:15 PM »
... yeah but it will never be as smooth as that 700fps fury... that is got to be a sweet air rifle to plink all day...

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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2012, 01:23:53 AM »
I too saw the fury at my local walmart. Also for $89. Seems like a great starter gun or just plinking in the backyard.
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2012, 02:35:13 PM »
Just saw Fury at local Walmart (Naperville, IL). It's only 695 fps here in IL

Hmmmm..... I wonder if I can get an IL spec rifle in NC? Wonder what parts swapping Crosman did to make it shoot slower.
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2012, 07:44:14 PM »
Hey There!

This is my first post here, glad I stumbled on this site.

I am new to the new generation of Airguns.  I am a good shot with conventional arms, but they aren't too convenient for shooting in the backyard.  I had a few weak ole' pistols when I was a kid and decided i wanted to get a bb/pellet rifle for some backyard plinking because I remember how fun that used to be.

So, about a week ago I went to Walmart and bought a Daisy 880s powerline and came back the next night for a centerline laser sight, since the scope it came with was complete &^^&.  It listed at 900fps with a 50bb capacity and pellet/bb versatility for 45 bucks seemed like a good deal.  I took the gun home, zeroed in the laser, and it was driving nails.    Mainly I got one of those Crosman foam indoor critter targets and was shooting it in the bathroom with 2 or 3 pumps..., because at 10 pumps it went clear through the target, out the backside, and put a legit hole in my bathtub!  The old lady was loving that!  :P haha.

Impressive for 45 bucks, and I was putting holes in holes from about 15 yards with the laser sight.

But as these things tend to go  ;), I decided I wanted something that felt less like a toy and had a little more pop to it.  The Daisy felt like it was made of cheap plastic  Reading around the internet, it looked like break-barrels were the preferred type of air rifle.  I bought the Daisy while I was half-drunk at 2am (gota love walmart, lol)

So, I went back to Walmart and looked at my options..    a big cat whisper, a beeman .17/.22 swappable barrel, some random other Gamo, A Benjamin Trail nitro piston, A benjamin trail all-weather NP .22 with a bull barrell, and that one gun that's endorsed by those guys on TV that says "1350 fps serious critter poppin power" on it.

They have a real nice return policy at Walmart, and talkin to the manager i figured out i can take any of these home and test em out and bring em back if i dont like em. 

Lookin' at their website, the Phantom was getting the highest average reviews (and it was also the cheapest)... but when I got there I saw that they didn't actually have the Phantom, they had the "FURY" (Model number CP1K77X). 

It doesn't have iron sights, but it comes with a centerpoint scope, it has an easily adjustable trigger pull, it has real metal scope rails (unlike the Daisy), a muzzle break, and did I mention it feels like a real gun? Pretty much all the .177 guns they had in stock were rated 1000fps (1250 with PBAs) so i figured I'd give this one a shot because it looked similar to the highly praised Phantom.  (and it was cheaper than the Gamos).   Plus I like the aftermarket Centerpoint laser sight I got, so I figured I might like the sight it came with.

I took it out of the box even though I wasnt supposed to, and it was immediately evident that this thing is waaaaay more heavy duty than the Daisy 880s.  It looks and feels like a real gun.  So for 89 bucks with a scope, I brought my Daisy in from the car and returned it for the FURY. 

This gun must be really new, because it isnt even on Walmart's website, and I haven't seen anything about it on the internet other than here. The stock looks similar to some other Crosman guns, but other than that... No reviews or nothing, so I'm probably one of the only people writing about it at this point.  With Walmart's )&^%*^ return policy, It was worth a tryout.

Well enough with the really long and boring backstory... sorry bout that!

Anyway, like I said i'm pretty new to Air Rifles but this thing seems nice.  I have the spring version, but I've seen somewhere that theres a Nitro Version, and I was wondering if I should look to trade it in for that one.  I'm wondering if theres a real difference in recoil/sound... I have neighbors pretty close, and I dont want people complaining... because I just can't stop shooting this thing!

its got a nice weight balance to it...  I'd like to know if anyone here has experience with any of the other Walmart guns I mentioned up there, and if they think they might be better options... but some of them cost almost twice as much and don't deliver anymore FPS.  I know accuracy is where your money goes, but I've read that some 100 dollar crosmans perfor like guns that cost 3 times as much.

I really like that I can EASILY shorten up the trigger pull.  With a hair trigger, it makes a huge difference in shoulder fire accuracy for sure.  I dont know if those other guns have easily adjustable trigger pulls like that. 

Clearly this thing is a helluva lot stronger than the 880s powerline.  even with 10+ pumps, its not even close.  I was having a good ole time with the daisy, but this thing is on another level, for sure. 

But check this out:
When I was pulling guns out of boxes to look at them, I noticed that the Gamo scope from the big cat whisper or one of the other Gamos (I forget which one exactly) was a lot brighter than the scope that came with the Fury.  When I was boxing up the Fury to purchase it, i accidentally put that Gamo scopes in it instead of the centerpoint that it came with.  And somehow I ended up with 4 scope mounts instead of two! lol whoops! So, does anyone know if the Gamo scope is better than the scope that comes with Fury?  Should I just keep the Gamo, or go back to the store and get the centerpoint that comes with the Crosman?

 I'll upload a picture of the Gamo scope that I ended up with, so you'll see which one I'm talking about.  I don't know if the centerpoint that comes with the fury has any extra nice things going for it, but maybe one of you who has bought the fury can give me an opinion on this.  The Gamo has a very clear picture, but I don't know if that equals accuracy... i heard someone say somewhere that the crossman/centerfire scope has "dual crosshairs" or something like that, to help tell if your shot is lined up, but the gamo does not have this.  Maybe I misheard about the "dual crosshairs" thing, but any advice would be greatly appreciated!  I don't have any complaint about the Gamo scope; it's got a nice solid sounding click when you adjust the 1/4"-100yd dials and seems like decent quality... but if someone could definitively tell me which of the two scopes is better, that would be awesome. 

Also one pair of the scope rings uses 4 screws to mount the scope (2 on each side) and one pair uses 1 screw on each side.  I'm not sure which is which, (Gamo or Crosman), but if anyone could tell me which would be better to use, I'd appreciate it.  I figure the rings with 4 screws would be sturdier? i'm not sure though, and maybe it's a dumb question but I'd rather ask someone that knows their sh1t than take it for granted.

I also plan on mounting the aftermarket laser sight I bought onto the Fury. I actually did a ghetto rig mount last night, where I took one of the extra scope rings, put it upside down on the scope, then tightened the rail  clamp down onto a part of the laser's scope ring's rail clamp.... it was wobbling a little bit though, because a screw was getting in the way.   I took the ghetto laser sight rig off, but maybe I'll put it back on and take a pic to show you guys what i was talking about. 

Is there a place I can get a mount that would attach the laser to the regular scope in a non-ghetto way? I guess I'd need something that looked like an "8" where one side is an inch and one side is about 5/8".

Even though - as you can see, I'm kind of an Air Gun noob - I am liking this thing A LOT.  After taking a bunch of the guns at walmart out of their boxes, I really like the feel of this one, even compared to the more expensive Gamo's.  The Stock is very sturdy feeling, and it has a nice balance point in front of the trigger housing for artillery style shooting.  It has a very sexy all-black look, as opposed to the cheesy camouflage of some of the more expensive guns at walmart.  There is actually quite a bit of kick on this thing for an airgun (I think?)... well definitely compared to the Daisy 880s.  But with the trigger pull shortened to the max, it is pretty darn accurate.  I've been shooting 2 different tins of pellets: The Crosman "pointed, premium grade hunting" tin and the Crosman "Destroyer EX"  Both seem to be pretty accurate, but I might give a slight edge to the regular points.  Hard to say yet tho, as im still getting it truly  siyhter



Well I am really rambling now, but I'm glad that I can contribute in some way to the discussion of this very new product.  It sure seems nice.  Especially the sturdiness and heft, and the easily adjustable trigger pull.  If anyone has an answer to any of my questions (especially the gamo vs centerpoint scope question), I would REALLY REALLY appreciate it. 

Well, I'm gonna get back to shooting the eyeballs out of these tactical targets from 15yards. 

Thanks y'all!,

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edited for remoaval of stop sign comments
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 11:38:08 PM »
You need to do what is right.  Only you can make that decision.  You reap what you sow...
Any offshelf springer that can consistently group under 2" at 50 yards is a benchmark production unit that you can be happy with.  Stopsigns are pretty large targets.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2012, 12:30:31 AM »
You need to do what is right.  Only you can make that decision.  You reap what you sow...
Any offshelf springer that can consistently group under 2" at 50 yards is a benchmark production unit that you can be happy with.  Stopsigns are pretty large targets.

Being a knoobie here I hesitated to post on above reply. I am glad to see kymike stepped forward......
I see my local Walmarts are stocking less air rifles on the shelves. It could be due to some of their ownership being sort of anti-gun I hear or could it be having a shelve full of air rifles with missing scopes, wrong scopes in the box for model or missing rings? I wonder.............................

I actually wondered if it was a real post or a troll?
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Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2012, 02:12:07 AM »
Stop signs are NOT targets.

GTA - What's been your success with air gun target practice?