Author Topic: PRod Trigger Group on 13XX or 22XX (Read 43430 times))

OldmanJunky · « **Reply #60 on:** July 03, 2012, 11:14:03 AM »

Quote from: mustangmike on July 02, 2012, 08:39:23 PM

best tool you guys can buy for airgun related stuff is a decent rotary tool

autozone sells a nice CHEAP quality built rotary tool that has a nice quality case, adjustable power, some attachments and its only $20 bucks and it also accept all dremel accessories.. even the flex shaft hobby extension thingy that gives it a smaller handle, a long flexable shaft so you can hung the rotary tool and use a small light weight peice to work with and not the bulk rotary tool

i can vouche for this tool because i own it and have had it running for han hour non stop before and it has taken all the hours of abuse and use and begs for more..

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Great-Neck-Rotary-tool-with-35-pcs-accessory-kit/_/N-25hs?itemIdentifier=945261_0_0_

I'll second this. I bought a nice dremel for $100 and the $40 dremel stand. Makes it so fun to mess with your own stuff. So far I've shortened a few stainless screws that I put in my disco, attempted an aluminum single shot tray (unsuccessfully, but fun trying) and plan to put the proper sized recess in the prod hammer I have coming (jbweld isn't holding up the best).

MustangMike · « **Reply #61 on:** July 03, 2012, 05:45:54 PM »

Quote from: junkyspace on July 03, 2012, 11:14:03 AM

Quote from: mustangmike on July 02, 2012, 08:39:23 PM
best tool you guys can buy for airgun related stuff is a decent rotary tool

autozone sells a nice CHEAP quality built rotary tool that has a nice quality case, adjustable power, some attachments and its only $20 bucks and it also accept all dremel accessories.. even the flex shaft hobby extension thingy that gives it a smaller handle, a long flexable shaft so you can hung the rotary tool and use a small light weight peice to work with and not the bulk rotary tool

i can vouche for this tool because i own it and have had it running for han hour non stop before and it has taken all the hours of abuse and use and begs for more..

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Great-Neck-Rotary-tool-with-35-pcs-accessory-kit/_/N-25hs?itemIdentifier=945261_0_0_

I'll second this. I bought a nice dremel for $100 and the $40 dremel stand. Makes it so fun to mess with your own stuff. So far I've shortened a few stainless screws that I put in my disco, attempted an aluminum single shot tray (unsuccessfully, but fun trying) and plan to put the proper sized recess in the prod hammer I have coming (jbweld isn't holding up the best).

ya i didnt put super glue over the jb weld on my disco hammer.. the og guy who i got the idea from used super glue as a final coat over the jb weld.. but that may be the secret to making the jb weld work

1377x · « **Reply #62 on:** July 03, 2012, 05:53:53 PM »

yep! a rotary tool can be used for a lot of things outside of airguns as well
my cordless dremel was good until i lost the charger,then i got a rotary tool with a cord it has put in a lot of work the last couple of years

MustangMike · « **Reply #63 on:** July 03, 2012, 05:59:48 PM »

Just stock up on bits, and remember the rotary tool from autozone is just as good as the real dremel and it uses ALL of the dremels attachments

OldmanJunky · « **Reply #64 on:** July 06, 2012, 10:26:25 PM »

Mike, I just dremel'ed out the hammer. I used a couple of different bits (two different carbide ones and a regular sander). It took me about 15 minutes of grinding. I know to a machinist that is forever, but hey, I'm a dremel dude

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MustangMike · « **Reply #65 on:** July 07, 2012, 12:15:59 AM »

lol junky yours looks a thousand times better then mine. i wanted to make darn sure i cleared that breech screw because ive had a challenger hammer bend a breech screw.. if mine works and clears just fine i might in a couple of months order another one and give it a go at a nicer result..

OldmanJunky · « **Reply #66 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:50:30 AM »

In case anyone needs it, here is a little guide on cutting down the prod hammer for non-machinists

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,33127.msg308213.html

1377x · « **Reply #67 on:** July 13, 2012, 10:54:02 PM »

i know this a 13xx thread but since i see posts of the striker and stock 22xx hammer together
one question please
what is the weight difference between the striker assembly and the hammer?

MustangMike · « **Reply #68 on:** July 13, 2012, 11:33:11 PM »

the strike adds to the weight.. i like lloyd said the other day during a phone call that the challenger hammer and strike combo is 54grams or something like that.. their very close to the disco hammer

1377x · « **Reply #69 on:** July 28, 2012, 08:23:46 PM »

since it was asked in another thread,i decided to mod a phase 1/2 1377 hammer assembly for use with the p-rod/1701p grip frame and trigger group
did the jbweld mod. charged and discharged the gun 250x with no wear to the jbweld .i dont know if it hits the sear
there is a lip in the front of the hammer and the back of the hammer is the same size of the lip. the middle doesnt really touch, if it does it is very little.
the tube mod or sear mod would be necessary to mount the gf successfully.i chose to mod the sear, if anything goes wrong with the sear i have a couple back-ups
i put the jbweld together with haste but let it cure for 48 hours.it could be smoother but dont know if it would make a difference

heres the gf/tg mounted to a phase 2 1377 tube

alex77147 · « **Reply #70 on:** July 23, 2013, 12:50:08 AM »

what is the price tag on a prod trigger group?

Tater · « **Reply #71 on:** July 23, 2013, 01:29:19 AM »

Quote from: MustangMike on July 03, 2012, 05:59:48 PM

Just stock up on bits, and remember the rotary tool from autozone is just as good as the real dremel and it uses ALL of the dremels attachments

Thanks for that tip. To add to it, I bought a cheapy "dremel" from Harbor Freight many years ago. I still have it but barely use it because it has only one speed...high.
I have no issue at all with HF and bought a bunch of stuff from there, but Mike's pick is a much better option OMHO.
I would not recommend a non variable speed of any type.

breakfastchef · « **Reply #72 on:** July 23, 2013, 01:53:25 AM »

Quote from: alex77147 on July 23, 2013, 12:50:08 AM

what is the price tag on a prod trigger group?

@$38.00

alex77147 · « **Reply #73 on:** July 23, 2013, 11:46:38 PM »

Quote from: breakfastchef on July 23, 2013, 01:53:25 AM

Quote from: alex77147 on July 23, 2013, 12:50:08 AM
what is the price tag on a prod trigger group?

@$38.00

nice! thanks, probably my next mod on my 55fpe 22xx, currently almost use a prybar because of my mad hammer spring.

alex77147 · « **Reply #74 on:** July 24, 2013, 12:07:51 AM »

these can only be purchase from crosman right?

breakfastchef · « **Reply #75 on:** July 24, 2013, 12:50:42 AM »

Quote from: alex77147 on July 24, 2013, 12:07:51 AM

these can only be purchase from crosman right?

Grip frame: 2220-103
Hammer: CH2009A009 - (or you can modify your existing hammer)
Striker: 1763A036 - (Or you can make one from a set-screw and LockTite it in place if using the above hammer and have no need to make stroke adjustments)

kj · « **Reply #76 on:** July 24, 2013, 02:38:48 AM »

i also use the p-rod tube cap. it needs to be drilled and tapped to fit the rear breach screw . the p-rod uses 2 screws on the sides instead of one in the center. and always remember to shorten the rear breach screw if not using a rear site. using the cap allows for the hammer and striker adjustments without any disassembly.

peace
kj

rsterne · « **Reply #77 on:** July 24, 2013, 12:51:45 PM »

The rear cap from a Challenger fits the Disco/22XX tube, doesn't need any changes to mount the breech, and you can get it with the velocity adjuster screw (which is drilled for the stroke adjustment) and it even comes with a spring (at least mine did).... Part # CH2009-120 for the complete assembly....

Bob

shultz · « **Reply #78 on:** July 24, 2013, 08:36:09 PM »

Gota Love GTA!!! it's amazing the info you can get by simply reading.

Bob, you just saved me some work, in the morning, I was going to order the P-rod end cap(and other parts) then drill it for the extra breach screw.... not now

THANKS!!!

museguy · « **Reply #79 on:** August 03, 2017, 06:37:35 PM »

Quote from: rsterne on May 24, 2012, 04:52:10 PM

The PRod trigger assembly is available (only?) as a complete unit.... You will need either the PRod/Challenger hammer and striker or you can fill in the bottom of your 22XX hammer with JB Weld to eliminate the waist....

PRod Trigger group - 2220-103 (mine didn't come with the safety ball and spring, but it should have, likely fell out before shipping)
Hammer - CH2009A009
Striker - 1763A036
Acetal Pin - CH2009-023 (stops the striker from rotating - not necessary if you run it at max power - ie full CCW)

The trigger group shares the same grip frame as the later version of the 22XX trigger group (with the plastic side plate) and will bolt right up to a 22XX tube....

Bob

Dear rsterne,
I am planning to do the PRod trigger into a 2240. Before I call Crossman, would like to confirm that I need:
PRod Trigger group - 2220-103
Hammer - CH2009A009
Striker - 1763A036
Acetal Pin - CH2009-023

Plan on adding a power adjuster in the future.
Thank you !

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