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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2011, 01:17:46 PM »
:(  They may be back... keep your fingers crossed.  :)

I thinned out the squirrel population, so it wasn't a total loss  :)
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2011, 02:00:25 PM »

I wouldn't try the shot with a disco. These are the 2 I trapped this week. I set all drowners and conibears, so I didn't expect a live beaver to be there, so I didn't bring the .22. Well, the beaver never went down the drowing wire so I had to get him with my little .410 that I had with me for birds. Put a slug in his neck and it never came out. If a .410 slug will barely do it, I wouldn't try it with a .22 airgun. Thankfully the other was DOA. Just my .02!
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2011, 02:27:47 PM »
There was a guy at the Dianawerk forum that took a couple of Beavers with head shots 30yds out using his Diana 350 .177.  It was actually a 16yr old kid.  A healthy 350 .177 has about 19fpe at the muzzle with heavies.

I know Beavers are large animals.  Generally bigger than a raccoon and can reach 35lbs or more.  However, a precise shot to the brain will do the job from a reasonable distance, if you hit it with at least 11-12fpe on impact - at the right spot.  Coyotes have been taken with less.
 
With that said I would personally get up close to within 20yds with a Disco .22 or 350, or other Ultra-Magnum Springer, to ensure proper shot placement.  That is, if I had no other more powerful gun at my disposal.  I would definitely use the most powerful one I had and preferably one with >20fpe. 
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2011, 03:27:29 PM »
35 lbs is just average up here in MN. Some go 60 lbs +.

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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2011, 04:41:02 PM »
35 pounds is tiny for around here. Most are 45+ with some getting over 60 pounds!
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2011, 04:45:45 PM »
There was a guy at the Dianawerk forum that took a couple of Beavers with head shots 30yds out using his Diana 350 .177.  It was actually a 16yr old kid.  A healthy 350 .177 has about 19fpe at the muzzle with heavies.

I know Beavers are large animals.  Generally bigger than a raccoon and can reach 35lbs or more.  However, a precise shot to the brain will do the job from a reasonable distance, if you hit it with at least 11-12fpe on impact - at the right spot.  Coyotes have been taken with less.
 
With that said I would personally get up close to within 20yds with a Disco .22 or 350, or other Ultra-Magnum Springer, to ensure proper shot placement.  That is, if I had no other more powerful gun at my disposal.  I would definitely use the most powerful one I had and preferably one with >20fpe. 
I'm going to have to disagree with you there Harry. I just got done skinning these and they have extremely thick skulls for their size IMHO. I shot a raccoon once 7 times with a Gamo whisper, a few to the ear, a few between the eyes, and one right through the eye, before one pellet penetrated far enough into the back of his head to kill him. Not sure how much FPE my Gamo has but I bet its atleast 15 foot pounds. Maybe it has been done, but you would have to be just plain lucky in my opinion to kill a beaver with 15 foot pounds. I think the disco with some power mods at point blank may work, but I still would stick to traps or powder burners if they are legal.
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2011, 05:27:59 PM »
If you are going to kill it , kill it .Get a 30-06 or 303 or something that will dispatch the pest appropriately. When I kill flys I use a 2 foot long swat with me ( 100kgs ) on the end of it , primed with rage. That kills em . If I only want to annoy them , I just swish them away so they can live to annoy me another day . The choice is yours . Just be humane , thats all.
 Ask yourself this question , If you owned a 25-30lb dog , and it needed to be put down , would you use you .177 to do the job??
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2011, 05:56:12 PM »
Im with Amb, use more gun. Ive removed several nuisance beavers over the years, using both lethal and non lethal methods. They are a tough and smart animal that deserve to be dispatched as quickly and humanely as possible. Because of their living environment getting super close is difficult at best most of the time. Depending on your location I would think there would be several nearby trappers that would be up to the task and probably would not charge a fee this time of year. If shooting them is the option you settle on, walk the property and figure out where they are entering and leaving the water, it should be fairly easy to locate. Set up a hide near this beaver slide and use whatever powder burner you have, I would think a .22 rimfire at close range would be up to the task. On the plus side a nice tanned beaver hide makes for a nice decoration and conversation piece. Good luck with  your problem.

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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2011, 06:14:51 PM »
I've been trapping for close to 40 yrs. Unless you are 3 feet away, a .22LR doesn't cut the mustard on a reliable basis. If they are in open water, they get the 12ga. with Buckshot.

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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2011, 11:41:59 PM »
Wow , after listening to the dudes with the hunting and trapping experience , I`d definately go with a 30-06 hollow lead head if I wanted to kill it properly , maybe a 12gauge solid would dispatch him also. If ya could trap him alive and strap a piece of c4 onto him , he`d take it home then ya could detonate it remotely and you`d get him , his family , the nest , the pond , the dam , sounds like fun to me .Just kill him proper thats all!! This is no job for an air gun , well maybe a 45cal PCP. 
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2011, 12:00:34 AM »
Trevor, I am not sure what you are disagreeing with.  What I said about someone taking beaver with a Diana 350 is true as far as I can tell.  The guy posted pictures with his 350 and 1 pic I remember he was holding up the beaver in 1 hand (struggling it looked like), and the 350 in the other.  He is from Canada IIRC.  He said they were 30+lb beavers.  If it were a 40-50lb beaver I would probably not use a 350, even if that's all I had.  I agree with most here.  I would use at minimum a 30+fpe PCP, and if I ran into one today that needed to be dispatched, you can be sure I would use my Condor .25 with a 31gr Kodiak dialed up at full-power at 80fpe.

In any case, it takes 3.5-4fpe on impact to crack a human skull, and to kill a squirrel with a head shot.  Many have taken squirrel with their 5fpe Crosman 760 pumpers including myself at 10-15yds.  I thought the 10-15lb Groundhogs I have around here had very thick skulls, but I had complete passthrough's using my 14fpe Diana 36 .177 with 7.9-8.3gr pellets at 20-25yds.  A guy in another forum (I will just say his name is Dave) shot himself in the back of his ankle by accident with his detuned 7.5fpe Diana 34 .177.  The pellet went in >0.5" through tough muscle and tissue and came very close to the bone. He had to have it surgically removed.  He posted his X-Ray on that forum showing the pellet in his leg.  Please do not underestimate the power of airguns. 

Raccoons do not need to be shot 6-7 times in the head to be killed with a 15fpe airgun.  Your shots were probably not accurate and missed the brain, or maybe you need to get a Chrony and see exactly what your Whisper is doing.  Shadow/Ed and others here have taken many raccoons with a single shot to the head from 20+yds with 15fpe guns, some of them Whispers .177.  I have taken raccoon and possum with my 350 .22, 1-shot 1-kill with head shots.  This 350 .22 is "detuned" to shoot at 21fpe (instead of 22-24fpe) with JSB 15.9gr.  Many hunters here have taken raccoon with 14-15fpe .177 & .22 Springers.  Skull bones are not as thick or tough as wood or other backstops that we often use.  Once the pellet hits the right spot from a reasonable distance, the pellet will go through the raccoon's skull and damage the brain if the shot is accurate.  I am not so sure about shots in a raccoon's ear that far back.  I have never shot a raccoon in the ear and that is not my preferred shot.  I always go for the frontal shot "between the eyes", and on 2 occasions I took raccoons with a broadside shot, I always aimed 3/4" in front of the ear and at the upper half of the skull very close to the top. 

I really believe that beavers have a "hard skull" if they reach 45+lbs.  So do Coyotes, but they have been taken with 14-15fpe Diana 34's .177, and other Springers with a single shot "between" the eyes at 15yds and beyond.  Those guns would not be my choice of gun for a Coyote either, but I am just stating facts.  If I were going after Beaver (or Coyote), I would use nothing short of my .22 or .25 Condors.
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2011, 01:11:05 AM »
I'm just going from real life experience. There is no way I would go after a Beaver with an AG. Not if I wanted to take it out with one shot. As far as a .177 out of a 350, I am highly suspect.

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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2011, 02:13:34 AM »
Just my $0.02
Beavers are pretty tough critters. I would use a .223 for beavers and their skulls are pretty tough. One of my fondest, and perhaps strangest, memories was my mother beating a beaver to death with a shovel. She eventually wound up taking it's head off. What that beaver was doing crawling into the middle of a howling doglot, I don't know. Personally don't think this is a job for an AG.

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« Reply #33 on: December 29, 2011, 02:47:40 AM »
I notice that everyone is hung up on "FPE" What ever happened "Raw Horsepower"? You can crunch the numbers all day long concerning +/- 1 or 2 fpe. The bottom line is; if you want to take something out, shoot something heavy as fast as you can. That's why Beavers get 3" Buckshot. (or maybe the .44 Mag.).

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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2011, 09:25:29 AM »
i shot one a couple weeks ago with a pellet gun and had no problem. one shot, but it was with a career in 25 caliber. i cant comment on the disco but my guess is it's marginal at best. people dont realize how big and heavy a beaver is. most male adults are bigger on average than a thirty pound coyote!
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2011, 01:09:45 PM »
Trevor, I am not sure what you are disagreeing with.  What I said about someone taking beaver with a Diana 350 is true as far as I can tell.  The guy posted pictures with his 350 and 1 pic I remember he was holding up the beaver in 1 hand (struggling it looked like), and the 350 in the other.  He is from Canada IIRC.  He said they were 30+lb beavers.  If it were a 40-50lb beaver I would probably not use a 350, even if that's all I had.  I agree with most here.  I would use at minimum a 30+fpe PCP, and if I ran into one today that needed to be dispatched, you can be sure I would use my Condor .25 with a 31gr Kodiak dialed up at full-power at 80fpe.

In any case, it takes 3.5-4fpe on impact to crack a human skull, and to kill a squirrel with a head shot.  Many have taken squirrel with their 5fpe Crosman 760 pumpers including myself at 10-15yds.  I thought the 10-15lb Groundhogs I have around here had very thick skulls, but I had complete passthrough's using my 14fpe Diana 36 .177 with 7.9-8.3gr pellets at 20-25yds.  A guy in another forum (I will just say his name is Dave) shot himself in the back of his ankle by accident with his detuned 7.5fpe Diana 34 .177.  The pellet went in >0.5" through tough muscle and tissue and came very close to the bone. He had to have it surgically removed.  He posted his X-Ray on that forum showing the pellet in his leg.  Please do not underestimate the power of airguns. 

Raccoons do not need to be shot 6-7 times in the head to be killed with a 15fpe airgun.  Your shots were probably not accurate and missed the brain, or maybe you need to get a Chrony and see exactly what your Whisper is doing.  Shadow/Ed and others here have taken many raccoons with a single shot to the head from 20+yds with 15fpe guns, some of them Whispers .177.  I have taken raccoon and possum with my 350 .22, 1-shot 1-kill with head shots.  This 350 .22 is "detuned" to shoot at 21fpe (instead of 22-24fpe) with JSB 15.9gr.  Many hunters here have taken raccoon with 14-15fpe .177 & .22 Springers.  Skull bones are not as thick or tough as wood or other backstops that we often use.  Once the pellet hits the right spot from a reasonable distance, the pellet will go through the raccoon's skull and damage the brain if the shot is accurate.  I am not so sure about shots in a raccoon's ear that far back.  I have never shot a raccoon in the ear and that is not my preferred shot.  I always go for the frontal shot "between the eyes", and on 2 occasions I took raccoons with a broadside shot, I always aimed 3/4" in front of the ear and at the upper half of the skull very close to the top. 

I really believe that beavers have a "hard skull" if they reach 45+lbs.  So do Coyotes, but they have been taken with 14-15fpe Diana 34's .177, and other Springers with a single shot "between" the eyes at 15yds and beyond.  Those guns would not be my choice of gun for a Coyote either, but I am just stating facts.  If I were going after Beaver (or Coyote), I would use nothing short of my .22 or .25 Condors.
I see what you are saying, but if you were not there with him when he shot it, how do you know he didn't shoot it with a .22 Magnum and grabbed his airgun for pics? :) Same with the coyotes.  I guess it is possible, but very, very unlikey IMHO. I put 2 pellets straight between my coons eyes, and one straight threw the his eye, from pointblank in a trap. Not gonna try that again. I was using the Gamo Raptors I think they were called.  Look at Chancers for example. He shoots coons and possums with a Marauder .25 at 44FPE correct? In some of his posts he states that a raccoon wasn't there when he went out in the AM. If 44FPE doesn't do it EVERY time, I have a hard time believing 15FPE will. Just my .02! :)
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2011, 04:11:46 PM »
a head shot will kill anything !!!!! shoot that #$%$%$ thing in the head !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2011, 04:44:33 PM »

I see what you are saying, but if you were not there with him when he shot it, how do you know he didn't shoot it with a .22 Magnum and grabbed his airgun for pics? :) Same with the coyotes.  I guess it is possible, but very, very unlikey IMHO. I put 2 pellets straight between my coons eyes, and one straight threw the his eye, from pointblank in a trap. Not gonna try that again. I was using the Gamo Raptors I think they were called.  Look at Chancers for example. He shoots coons and possums with a Marauder .25 at 44FPE correct? In some of his posts he states that a raccoon wasn't there when he went out in the AM. If 44FPE doesn't do it EVERY time, I have a hard time believing 15FPE will. Just my .02! :)


44fpe is way more than enough to kill a raccoon.  If you can't kill a raccoon with 44fpe every time, or a 15-20fpe gun for that matter, then the pellet did not hit where it was supposed to, and missed the brain almost entirely.  Regarding shots to the ears and eyes...  Unless the angle/trajectory was such that the pellet traveled towards the brain, an eye shot will not kill a raccoon, nor a possum for that matter (unlike a squirrel where an eye shot is fatal).  Again please try to chrony your Whisper.  It may not be shooting optimally.

You have only been here 3 weeks and have not seen the hundreds of posts (and pics) of members killing raccoons with their Springers, many of them 15fpe.  Disco's as well.  Shadow/Ed shoots raccoons with his 14.5-15fpe B26 .177 (R9 clone) all the time, plus other Gamo Springers from 20-25yds out.  Please do a search for raccoon on this Gate and see what people use on them.  Like I said I have taken them with my 350 .22 that was slightly detuned for 21fpe, and 1 time I had my Condor .22 very low on air and got one with 30fpe using a single 16gr Predator.  All it takes is a well placed shot to the brain, not just anywhere on the head.  We had a member here, Timmy, that took 1/2 dozen red Foxes with his 14.5fpe Diana 34 .177 with well placed head shots, and many of us know him personally. 

Now as a moderator and having been here 4.5 years, I am obligated to give you some advice.  If you are going to suspect members of lying, please do it privately via PM, or do not state that publicly at all.  Nothing good can come of that.  In the least you need to be here for a considerable amount of time and have gained vast experience like many of us have, hunting small game with airguns before you can dispute others' hunt stories and make accusations of fake pics.  Please let me make another suggestion.  If you have a hard time believing something or someone, why not start a new thread asking GTA members what gun(s) and FPE have they used in the past to successfully harvest raccoon?  Or even say with a single shot?  Now I think that would be very informative and productive.
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Re: Beaver Removal
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2011, 06:07:49 PM »
Life's previous experiences are my best teacher. I'm a firm believer in bringing enough gun. Just because a .223 Rem is legal in my state for Whitetail Deer doesn't mean that I would consider using one. If I can't dispatch a critter quickly and humanely, I'm not taking the shot.

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« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2011, 06:44:09 AM »
In the Adaronack mountains beaver have gone as high as 70 lbs. unless you are really close and with a .22 or .25 cal. at 800 fps or more i would not try it. But a animal that ranges from 35 to 70 lbs. is going to have a thick skull. When my brother and I trapped here in the hudson valley in new york he carried a 22 lr bolt and i carried a 22 mag bolt. We used the mag on the larger animals like coon and others, we never even thought of bringing the benjamin 312 .22 cal. with us.
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