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Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« on: November 02, 2011, 01:37:46 PM »
Ive seen many people who own a titan comment on how there going to replace the stock barrel with a fully shrouded barrel thats found on the trail series guns. Does anyone know why this replacement would be any advantage over the stock barrel? thanks

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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 01:40:53 PM »
Some think it's quieter but IMO its for show. Having had a Titan with a shrouded barrel I didn't think it was any quieter. Most of the noise from springers comes from the piston noise anyway
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 02:48:36 PM »
Makes it look like a bull barrel and everyone knows that bigger is better.
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 07:48:59 PM »
Yea I kinda figured it was just for show. In my opinion the Titan isnt that loud off to begin with so if the only reason for replacing the barrel other than show is to make it quieter thats prolly an "upgrade" ill pass on making.

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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 08:09:58 PM »
I have an unshrouded Titan and a shrouded NP Trail. There isn't much difference in the report at full power.

The Trail had issues which I knew about when I bought it. Wound up taming it down to about 14 FPE and it is super quiet now. Most of the noise comes from the action, not out of the barrel.
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 09:25:40 PM »
I have fired rifles in both .177 and .22cal in several models with and without shrouds and cannot distinguish any difference in sound or performance. Never understood why anyone would want the shroud. It is just something else to go wrong with the barrel and only adds weight to the gun. To me, it's just a super-long barrel break. Two rifles that I have had with shrouds, I eventually returned anyway.

The original Crosman Nitro Venom had a shroud and the newer model does not. Crosman must have come to their senses.
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2011, 03:01:14 PM »
Sometimes they baffle some of the shroud to make it more back yard friendly.
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2011, 03:03:07 PM »
Mike

Baffled shrouds are found on PCP guns but I don't believe springers have baffles because of the vibration and recoil
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2011, 03:11:10 PM »
they do look cool, but so do muzzles brakes

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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2011, 04:25:12 PM »
It's kind of like Sgt Oddball said, "This gun is an ordinary 76mm but we add this piece of pipe onto it, and the Krauts think, like, maybe it's a 90mm."

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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2011, 07:16:37 PM »
^^^ HA! red feather thats awesome!

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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2011, 09:53:36 PM »
fwiw, i hear an audible reduction in loudness w/ shroud installed, barrel breaking is just plain easier w/ shroud installed due to size and weight, and skinny barrel looks naked w/o the shroud.

I have done alot of experimenting w/ my shroud and will leave it on until the next time i get to fooling around with barrel tuning.

...The Trail had issues which I knew about when I bought it. Wound up taming it down to about 14 FPE...

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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2011, 11:45:58 AM »
Mike

Baffled shrouds are found on PCP guns but I don't believe springers have baffles because of the vibration and recoil
What is the thing in the front on the benjamin and what dose it do ?
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 12:56:00 AM »
Crosshairs,

That is called a muzzle break. It has 3 useful functions that I know of:

1. It gives you something substantial to grab and hold on to when cocking the rifle. As a handle, it also prevents wear to the barrel finish on a high use/handling area of the barrel. Also protects the finish from the effects of acidic/salty sweat that may be deposited on the metal and causing rust or etching.

2. All muzzle breaks that I have seen protrude a little past the end of the barrel and have a slightly larger hole than the barrel bore so that the projectile doesn't strike it on exiting and affect accuracy. The idea is to protect the sensitive end of the barrel (crown) from damage in the event of jamming the end of the barrel into something solid.

3. Others may argue with me on this but, I have taken plastic breaks off of 3 rifles and replaced them with good, solid metal ones with much more substance. Each rifle fired better and more consistent groups after the conversion than before. I believe that is attributed to the stabilizing effect of the extra mass out there on the end of the barrel.
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2011, 11:24:03 AM »
Crosshairs

Pappa hit it on the head with that first part. That is a muzzle break or cocking assist. Like he said it simply gives you something to hold on to when breaking the barrel. He is also correct about them being on to protect the end of the barrel from damage. As for the metal vs plastic idea I don't know as I have never done that. My Titan was custom shrouded and I've never owned a springer with a removable muzzle break

I personally have always seen them as cocking aids and visual pieces and nothing more
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 03:05:59 PM »
I`ve only one fully shrouded springer air rifle.....the Gamo Viper.  And I find it to be a bit quieter than the other Gamos and Crosmans (Both brands` powerplants are the same).  For my PCPs....they are all shrouded so I can use them in the backyard.
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2011, 07:03:45 PM »
I`ve only one fully shrouded springer air rifle.....the Gamo Viper.  And I find it to be a bit quieter than the other Gamos and Crosmans (Both brands` powerplants are the same).  For my PCPs....they are all shrouded so I can use them in the backyard.
I no they put baffles in the muzzle brake/shroud on the benjamins but they dont call it baffles same thing i think at least it dose the same thing.
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Re: Advantages of the fully shrouded barrel?
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2011, 07:14:10 PM »
RedFeather , you know they really used to do that in france after the panthers rolled on them.....
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