Sam Yang 909 .45



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Sam Yang 909 .45
« on: August 28, 2010, 12:37:49 AM »
   I just received my "new to me" 909 .45 today, came from a fellow in N.Y. who used it to deer hunt(successfully) with. When i bought it i couldn't really tell the condition of the gun from the pics but i took a chance and came out all right.

  The gun is an older model i'd say, a double tube, serial number 379. When it came out of the box, it was a good bit smaller and lighter than all pictures indicated to me. It balances nicely, without the scope at least and feels good in the hand. Even that tiny, odd looking forearm is actually in a good mid-point to balance the gun out nicely. The metalwork is really odd, casted pot metal receiver with distasteful engravings, chromed.. ??? definitely a copy of an old remington 1100 shotgun in shape. Strange but at least its not the model with the winchester lever action mixed into the design..  The wood is beautiful, the checkering good and the grain and finish all i could ever ask for. Unfortunately it doesnt fit the metal very well but all in all it's quite acceptable.

  When i had the chance i connected the odd little probe to my tank and filled the gun. I had stopped at bass pro shop on the way home and grabbed a box of .45 round balls so i took it to the backyard and cocked it, loaded a ball and let fly. It was loud but not near as loud as a .22lr, easily shot without hearing protection. As there is no scope mounted yet i used the open sights which were way off. I never hit a thing so i wasted seeing what kind of damage a 121gr. roundball does until i shot a 4x4 post with my 4th shot. The ball went in about a half inch and then bounced out. Looked like it would hurt but i can't imagine shooting a deer with this thing. I'll end up doing some shots over the chrony and then try some different kinds of ammo till i find a good combination.  Hopefully will make a good coyote gun.  I'll get some pics and stats posted over the weekend. Anybody with any experience using these guns feel free to throw in any advice... :)   Jeff
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2010, 01:41:32 AM »
Congrats Jeff.  121gr. ouch, sounds like fun!  (envy) 

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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2010, 06:31:20 AM »
You should use the .457 Hornady 143gr balls instead of the .454 they shoot better
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2010, 06:47:39 AM »
 Did you buy the one advertised as tuned by The Pellet Man? (Tom was a great guy)
Either way it sound like you got one of the originals(?) if so, slot the sides of the valve, add a heavier hammer weight slug (dont know the correct term) open the transfer port and, they really were set up for .454 (might even want to size that down a touch). You can add the foster fill if it suits you.
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/414006/message/1148015877/I+choose+to+answer+here%2C%28and+a+pic%29
 
 I am off the shoot FT, then Squirrels and check on adapters.

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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2010, 09:09:24 AM »
  Thanks for the replies, i'm going to try the .454 with a thin patch, i'll pick up some .457 balls as well. There is also a 150gr. "pellet" out there that i want to try. Look forward to figuring out the best combination for this gun.

  I'm glad to know it's easy to strip down, judging by the screws on this one it has never been apart so it's in original shape. I do think i'll be looking to get it up to 250ftlbs so a tune will be in order.  I'll get a photo or two later today for anyone not familiar with them, first i'm going to see if i have a scope that will work with it, mount it and do some shooting,  :)  J

  edit:   put an old(but good) Norinco 1.5x4.5 shotgun scope on her, worked out well because it has the short objective on the front.  Put a couple shots downrange and the scope is just an inch or two off at 20 yards. This scope is unique in that the only two other guns it has been on... were sighted in without any adjustment. The scope was dead on as it was mounted. It just got the first adjustment it's ever had in 15 years.

 Here is the gun..

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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2010, 01:37:40 PM »
I filed down the 1st stage on the rear sight that alouds you to mount a lot more selection of scopes, A good slug on mine is the 170gr Pyramyd ammo, I got the hollowpoints and filled them with leather set in glue, the fly excepional
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2010, 02:51:49 PM »
 I'm going to try those np, i did read that they were a bit to hard an alloy but if they work good for you then good enough for me. I just ordered 150 of the .454 epp 150gr. pellets. They are supposed to be one of the most accurate slugs you can get for this gun. I'll let you know. I just put 18 rounds through her on a fill and boy am i impressed with the accuracy of the gun. It stacked the first 3 roundballs at 20 yards, i didn't realize that the gun had 2 power levels... my fourth shot went low and only hit 458fps so i knew it had been mistakenly fired at low power. My shot string went about like this..

 1st 699fps with 141gr. = 150ftlbs
 2nd 698
 3rd 697
 4th 458  low power
 5th 705
 6th 696
 it started a slow drop that ended at 511 fps and 80ft lbs at the 18th shot. Throughout every shot i could have easily headshot a rabbit at that range. This is an ultimate small/medium game tool and a comfortable gun to fill, load, shoot and carry. If it will just end up being reliable then i couldn't be any happier and would recommend it to anyone.   J
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2010, 03:04:53 PM »
those numbers sound right, the 2 tube 909 has less power and more shots than the single tube 909s.

Those are real fine guns excepionally accurate, yes I've heard too that those EPPs are real good, and don't be afraid of taking shots at deer, this gun has taken lots of deer down and will do it for you too  ;)
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2010, 03:59:46 PM »
  Just seems so light for a deer sized critter. I know the magic you perform in dropping pigs with your .22.. but still.. 150 ftlbs is about the same as a .22 lr.. i could maybe see a headshot doing the trick but a body shot is iffy to me. I'm all about a quick clean kill and i'm going to have to get more comfortable with this gun before i could pop a deer with it. The previous owner took a 6 point buck.. guessing about 150lbs animal with a neck shot, then a finisher. He said the roundballs were both found on the opposite side of the animal, just under the skin. So i guess it's doable..

  Either way this is a sweet gun and one i'll be happy to carry around.. can't wait till the epp's get here.. 

  Did you ever have any luck finding a Brake?  J
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2010, 04:12:27 PM »
Remember that a good slug with a flat head in .45 will produce a huge channel wound.
stay inside the 50 yards and get the round in the right place and a deer will have no chance, this is surgical elimination rather than brute force like firearms  ;)

you can get the 909 tuned to near 300 FPE with still a good 4-5 full power shots
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2010, 04:29:53 PM »
you can get the 909 tuned to near 300 FPE with still a good 4-5 full power shots

  Thats what i'm talkin bout :)
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2010, 10:57:25 PM »
On the low power it will valve lock on a 3000 psi fill . I fill mine to about 2000 psi and use it for target practice out to 50 yards with .457 R.B. With the .454 R,B you are probably not getting a good seal . Make your self a bullet seater to get your ammo pushed into the chamber as well . What are the epp bullets that you are talking about? Also I tested my 909 with several different bhn bullets . It grouped well with any thing under 7 bhn but lost all grouping at 10 bhn and above . Bullets I use .454 R.B. .457 Hi tech bullet seater .Marvin

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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2010, 12:09:03 AM »
 Thats excellent advice Marvin, i'll make up a bullet seating tool asap. The 150 gr. "pellet" is the one praised so much by butcher, i see his threads everywhere on the 909, he found it to be an excellent slug. It comes from different loaders but here are the molds.  @ www.biglube.com      if you google "150gr. EPP  .45" you can find different sites selling the round. I think i paid $27.00 shipped for 150. I hope they work well.

 Good to know also about the bhn, if i mold my own i'll have to buy a test kit. Thanks,,  Jeff
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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2010, 12:24:13 AM »
Do not forget that Chris changed the barrel on his 909 and can use a harder lead in it than the original 909 barrel . The hard cast lead in the stock barrel will some times key hole at 25 yards but at 50 yards the same bullet will not even group . Been down that road with both my 201s and 909 . I have casted the same bullet in the same mold but with different bhn rating and both of my Korean rifles will not tolerate anything harder than 7 bhn out to 50 plus yards . But my J.H. 32 hates soft lead but loves anything over 10 bhn . Different type barrels . J.H. has a deep grove B.P. 1 IN 16 twist barrel . The Korean rifles have a shallow grove 1 in 20 twist rate barrel .Not sure what Chris has but I know he has stated before that he has changed the barrel . Marvin

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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2010, 01:48:18 AM »
Testers are nice . I have a source for range lead that I use so I need the tester for sure . I have a Cabine tree tester.But you can buy pure lead as well as alloys here.
http://www.rotometals.com/
I almost bought that big lub mold yesterday but I found another mold maker that is making me a mold . Here is his site . It is mold number 45150b Marvin
http://www.accuratemolds.com/

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Re: Sam Yang 909
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2010, 11:29:29 AM »
The 45150 for accurate molds looks VERY interesting,  i never found a bullet weight but it looks light? 130-150gr? Please get back to me on what you think of it once you get to put a few downrange. I'm going to hold off on ordering a mold until i see how the 150 epp's do, also i want to see how this bullet from accurate mold does, and Lee is making an interesting mold for the Ruger old army BP pistol, #90387, it's 220 grains, .456 and quite short with narrow driving bands. It's a bit heavy for my gun but with mods to up the power it may work well.  The Lee molds are just $20.00 so not much lost if it didn't work out. Guess i'll have to get a rooundball mold to as this gun throws the .454 rb with incredible accuracy out to 40 yards, which is the longest distance i've tried to group them so far. I never would have thought any gun could throw a round ball so well.

  As i am a plumber, i can get pure lead from our supply house fairly cheap. I figure i'll get a test kit eventually and mix wheel weights with the pure lead till i can get the hardness right.  As a kid i casted quite a few roundballs with my Dad but have not done that in many years.. i look real forward to adding that "tag along" hobby to airgunning.  Thanks for your replies Marvin, you have given me more good info and more to think about...  Jeff
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Re: Sam Yang 909 .45
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2010, 12:44:11 PM »
The 45 stands for 45 caliber and the 150 stands for 150 grains . I have several Lee molds and most work well and as you said if they do not work out you have not lost much . You might want to read this as well . Marvin
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=91672

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Re: Sam Yang 909 .45
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2010, 03:21:04 PM »
This is how accurate the .457 roundball is at 50 yards  ;D ;D

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Re: Sam Yang 909 .45
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2010, 04:31:27 PM »
 That "Hawiian squirrel" met his match... geez look at the size of that hole!! You are in airgun hunters paradise, a pic for any subject, custom made that morning. ;) paradise i say... :D

  I'll try the .457 soon as i get back by the retailer. I'll be interested to see how it affects the velocity. I did try a .015 rb patch lubed with bore butter yesterday, on the .454 ball... you'll laugh but i got a huge POP, louder than normal and then a velocity of ... get this.,.. 97fps. Lucky i didn't blow a breech seal but it sure left the bore nice and shiny.  Don't think i'll do that again. I am however going to get some plastic .45 muzzleloading sabots and plug them after filling with #8 shot. I'll have an air shotgun yet!  I will try those .45 sabots with a 9mm bullet also.

  Thats the first time i've seen your sam yang np, looks like they changed them some, the pressure gauge built in is sure nice, i'm guessing yours is fairly new? Anybody know when they started making them? I've looked but can find no reference.
 I see where my 2 tube model is modded to a high of 250ftlbs while yours can surpass 300. Sure would be nice having that  power for the deer woods here in the south.. wanna trade? ;D ;D      j/k :D

 I'm going to give a couple types of ammo a try, find the right one and carry the gun through deer season. Whether or not i choose to shoot a deer with it i don't know but i'm really hoping to catch a coyote or two unaware.. i think it's great for that purpose. My bro in law and i went kayaking from our creek to the main channel of the catawba river this morning and couldn't believe the number of coyote tracks and scat piles we saw on the sandbars. They went from none around to there being to many in the last 15 years here. Time to thin the packs.  After deer season i'm sending it off for new seals and a power mod.. :)  J
 
 

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Re: Sam Yang 909 .45
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2010, 04:50:04 PM »
Coyote hunting sounds real fun, wish I was there  ;D
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