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Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« on: August 05, 2011, 12:44:56 AM »
Another new Retay come rollin up to my door today.. Richard I guess decided to ship the Retay Sport underlever for me to evaluate and review.  Boy he trusts me...:)

Note: On the Retay Sport Underlever you will need to use a spring compressor.

After opening the box I saw another gorgeous looking air gun by Retay. Fit and finish was just as sweet as the Retay 135X .22 break barrel. On this part one of my evaluation it will be mostly on build quality fit and finish. I will actually give this model a lube tune and send it back to Richard when done along with the other Retay 135X .22 that he sent me to turbo tune for him. Yes he sent me two...:) Guess he is going to keep one fer himself..:)

Here is the scoop. This is another nice designed air rifle. It has two distint build qualities. One is BSA's original  Polaris/Gamo CFX and the other is RWS, Air Arms, and HW. The the cocking linkage is cantilever like the Polaris and CFX, but with a RWS shoe. The cocking lever is spring loaded and there is a button on the end you press and release the lever.

The inner and outer pistons are the same design as the HW, Air Arms and RWS. The opening on action for breech and pellet access are full open mouth which is very nice for left and right handed shooters to load pellets. Air Arms use a half mouth breech opening and it is awkward to load pellets. With this said this is a very nice feature.  The complete chamber is anodized nicely in red. Very clean and sharp color. The outer piston is of good quality and very smooth. Fits the chamber very well. The breech seal is easily accessible and another nice feature is the piston looks to be a two piece affair. End piece that breech sits in actually screws into end of piston. For your information many of the other air gun manufacturers have had issues with there end piece leaking air. Most are pressed and pinned in. The breech seal is very wide faced which will seal well with barrel breech.

The piston seal on this model of Retay is much smaller than the Retay 135X break barrel. The spring diameter though is much larger. Look at the pictures that I took and you can see the the numbers on calipers. The seal size is somewhere in between an RWS and Gamo/Crosman seal. Looks to be the same size as a HW 97/77 piston seal but a different design. As like on the Retay 135X this one is a parachute style seal as well.

I noticed that the inner piston was not nearly as nicely finished as the piston on a RWS, HW, or Air Arms. They don't have that down pat for sure. But the fit and tolerances were good.

The Retay Sport is a fine well designed air gun. It has some time tested features that have been around and used for decades.

Again this model has a much nicer fit and finish than any Chinese/Spanish gun's that I have seen or worked on. The outer metal work can be compared to an RWS gun made today and IMO a bit nicer.

I will be back with Part Two of my review once I get her back together. I am curious to see the numbers and how accurate she is. Along with the overall cocking and shooting cycle.



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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2011, 04:34:56 AM »
thats a nice gun... kral has realy steped there game up
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the rear site & lever latch are all they have retained from
the old Gamo copys..
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2011, 08:06:23 AM »
Red anodized?
Yuk...

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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 09:31:12 AM »
I like it , its something different than the gamo  and crosmans we see all the time it has some  features  incorporated in it from several makes of  air guns , this may not be a hw or a  tx200 but it is a nice offering for a new type gun, as far as the anodizising, quess  you want have to worry about that rusting, its looks to be a better build than  what we have seen from any of the turkey guns, I just wonder  will they have more than just red  or maybe  some other colors they offer, still in all I like it.  Thanks David
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2011, 04:12:33 PM »
Thanks for your time and efforts with a full inside/out review Bawanah Gene!!!!
Looks like the 100X Sport has room inside to be gassed too. :) With that thick spring guide.
I am looking forward to part two but would like to get info from Richard on the 135X Sniper. But can't get him nor Retay to respond. Guess I keep my money or spend it on more Disco bling instead.
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2011, 11:18:38 AM »
I'm impressed with the overall finish of the shooter and the trigger does have a different design but as you mentioned over the phone it does have a nice feel. I'm a big fan of camo but for some reason I really like the color on the action and a little red bling never hurt's. Ed
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2011, 11:56:20 AM »
I was over to Gene's yesterday and we were discussing these guns. No doubt it is a very well made gun. ;) ;) The trigger is a Theoben type hybrid and a quite unique design but functions well.. The only real issue we see at this time is parts for it. Seals for example are an odd size, both in diameter as well as cross section. (Gonna take some figurrin' fer that).  ??? ??? That said though, unlike many guns when you tear them down, the seals in these two guns were not damaged during assembly. That in itself says something as it's almost unheard of in many mass produced guns.

 There are a couple of after market springs that will adapt to it real well including the early Tarantula and the GRT spring (both are excellent springs when set up correctly) and it is a gun that could be TurboTuned with a Delrin guide made for it using them or even the factory spring for that matter.  ;D

Anyhow, it's a good gun and feels and handles well also.  Personally, I think that it has a pretty good future, especially if they can keep the pricing decent.

Good job Gene

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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2011, 01:52:06 PM »
They have the camo also Ed....:) Check it out..

I'm impressed with the overall finish of the shooter and the trigger does have a different design but as you mentioned over the phone it does have a nice feel. I'm a big fan of camo but for some reason I really like the color on the action and a little red bling never hurt's. Ed
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2011, 08:00:12 AM »
I knew you would find something like that lol. Ed
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2011, 03:36:21 PM »
Thanks Gene.

I'm still searching informations of Retay Troy 100x fixed barrel. I'm from Czech Republic and it's easy to buy Retay guns here from dealer in Bohumin(town). Only i needed are informations and piece of knowledge about this brand. I will wait for part two, if your classification will be good, i'll buy one. Thanks one more, have a nice day.
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2011, 11:29:25 AM »
Crayfish,
This may help.  It was labeled as the "Hercules 100X" airgun when it first came out.  It is the same Retay 100 though.

This Link is in UK.   Scroll down until you see the "Hercules 100X" air rifles.
http://www.the-shooting-party.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=3&Itemid=11

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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2011, 11:33:10 AM »
Gene,
Ya need to tell Richard and Magy, that RED isn't gonna sell in Kentucky!!!! ;D
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2011, 10:24:57 PM »
Hey Mike I think the Red ones are only gonna be sold in San Francisco...:)
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2011, 07:21:43 PM »
Hi Gene,

Thx a lot for your time and reviews and waiting for part II
100X, has different colors as Blue, Red, White and Black and different stocks as you saw on web.

Mike, No problem we sell in vegas ;)

In some country they are in a different brand not Retay.

Have fun

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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2011, 12:09:22 PM »
Gene & reta,
Is the stock made for left handed shooters too?  Can't tell by the pics.

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2011, 06:20:55 PM »
I think the red is sporty as heck.  Gives it a FWB look.  Beech or Walnut Wood and bluing get tiresome after awhile.

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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2011, 07:31:29 PM »
What I have seen so far of the two model Retays, they only come in right hand stocks. With the cheek weld on right side they fit very nicely.
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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2011, 04:35:49 PM »
Thanks Gene....darn the bad luck!!!
HEY  MAGY !!!!!!    FIX THIS !!!!!!  Make a Riser for the Left Hander Please.  Or at least make it ambidextrious.
Mike ;D
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2011, 11:25:05 PM »
Hi Mike,

I dont want 2 promise or say sth right now but I think after september we're planning to offer as 5 grade turkish walnut stock as ambidextrious one. Cos in plastic its too expensive and takes time but it will done.

Firstly we push the market then can work over it with your bucks ;))

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Re: Retay Sport .22 Underlever Part One
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2011, 11:55:34 AM »
Magy,    It shouldn't be that much money to make the Molds that way.   It should only modifying 1/2 of the mold.  It's basically a Mirror Image of the left side of the 2 piece mold.   I would have engineered it both ways from the start.
It will pay off when more people can buy it.   You will sell more synthetic stocks than wood, I believe.
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