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Offline mav72

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Same gun list???
« on: June 16, 2011, 01:15:26 AM »
I've seen a couple of the clone lists that are out there but I also know manufacturers and importers try to sell you the same action of a gun with a different stock attached and call it a different name...

Has a list ever been comprised that lists these same action guns under certain manufacturers or importers?

Usually I can figure it out but some manufacturers such as the Gamos, stump me because their actions all look the same to me.... The reason I ask is that I'd hate to buy the same gun twice unless I really like it..

Thanks...
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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2011, 01:19:25 AM »
I found this:

AIRGUN CLONES, COPIES .
Bam B-3 – 1 AK  / bam B-3  =
Bam xs-B9-1 Tactical = QB-57
Bam B-9 woodstock=
Xs B-12 =
Xisico XS-B16 / B-16  =
B18/19......= Gamo 220/440
B20....= Beeman ?= HW?
B21....  R7?/ HW 30?
Bam B-25 / 25s  = Rugar Airhawk = RWS 34
Bam B-26 / 26-a / 26-2 thumbhole = Beeman R-9 =  HW95=
Bam B-28 = RWS 350
Bam B-30 = RWS 48/RWS 52 = Tech Force 21
Bam B-40 = AirArms TX200                                                   
Bam B50/51 = Daystate Huntsman
Industry brand QB 36-1 =
Industry brand QB 36- 2 =
Industry brand AR2023 =
Industry brand QB-78 / QB78deluxe, co2 = Bam AR2078A  match = TF79=
industry brand QB-79 co2 PB Tank = QB-79 / 79Thumbhole =


 the SS2 Chinese pistol not so good copy of the Weirauch HW70.

Teck Force 89 = Beeman RS2
Cometa:
RWS94 = Cometa 400.
RWS93 = Cometa 300 (pretty sure).
RWS92 = Cometa 220.
RWS9_(B for Blue, N for Nickel) = Cometa Indian

Cometa Fenix 400 = RWS 94
Cometa 300 = RWS 93
Cometa Indian = RWS 9B & 9N
CZ 200S = Air Arms S 200
CZ 200T = Daisy Avanti XS40 Valiant


Daystate LR90 Mk.II NJ -= Beeman Mako FT
Gamo 500 = Daisy 1170
Gamo Expo 26 = Daisy 131
Gamo Hunter 440 = Daisy 1000 = Savage 1000G
Gamo P-800 = Daisy 1140

Hatsan 35 = Daisy 600X
Hatsan 55 = Daisy 800
Mendoza RM-100 = Crosman RM177
Mendoza RM-600 = Crosman RM677
Mendoza RM-800 = Crosman RM877

Norica Jet = Beeman S1 = Marksman 45
Norica Krono= Beeman GS700 = Marksman 0035
Norica Marvic = Beeman GS1000
Theoben Eliminator = Beeman Crow Magnum
Theoben Rapid 12 = Beeman Super 12

Webley Patriot = Beeman Kodiak
Webley Tracker = Barnett Spitfire
Webley Vulcan Mk.III Carbine = Beeman Bearcub
Weihrauch HW30S = Beeman R7
Weihrauch HW40 = Beeman P3
Weihrauch HW45 = Beeman P1
Weihrauch HW50S = Beeman R8
Weihrauch HW75 = Beeman P2
Weihrauch HW77/HW77K = Marksman 60/61
Weihrauch HW80 = Beeman R1
Weihrauch HW85 = Beeman R10
Weihrauch HW90 = Beeman RX-1
Weihrauch HW95 = Beeman R9
Weihrauch HW98 = Beeman R11 = Marksman 58-FTS
Weihrauch HW99S = Beeman R6

Diana, Original,
Gecado, Geco & RWS Beeman Hy-Score Winchester
Diana-34= BAM  B - 25 = Ruger Airhawk
Diana-350= BAM B - 28

1 - - - -
2 = 814
5 = 815T = 353
5G = 700 = 825T
6 = 816M = 363
6G 800 = 826T -
6M 850 = 827T -
10 900 = 819M -
15 = 808 -
16 = 805 = 416
22 = 806 422
23 = 813 = 423
24=
25 = 801 = 425
27 100 = 807 = 427
35 200 = 809 = 435
45** 250 = 828 -
50 = - 450
60 = 810M -
66 = 810SM, 811SM = 333
75 400 = 820SM
400 Univ. = 830SM

**Crosman Challenger 6100
Models not made by DianaWerk:
Hy-Score pistols model 800, 801, 802 made in USA for Hy-Score
Hy-Score 822T pistol Made by Em-Ge in Germany
Hy-Score rifles models 821, 833SM, 894 made by Hammerli
Hy-Score 824M pistol = Hammerli Master CO2
Hy-Score 823M pistol = Hammerli Single CO2
Hy-Score 817M pistol = Wischo/BSF CM
Hy-Score 818 pistol = Anschutz
Hy-Score 801 (1st model) rifle = made in Belgium by Anciens
Etablissements Pieper in Herstal Belgium
CROSMAN -- SEARS CROSSOVER NUMBERS
Crosman model # Sears number
180 standard = 126.2830
180 dual powerlet = 126.19311
150 standard Sears = 126.1935
150 JCHiggins = 126.2920
150 Ted Williams = 126.1909
400 = 126.19320
140/1400 = 126.19300
166 Hahn Super BB Repeater = 126.19330
SA-6 = 126.19380
HB 45 BB repeater = 126.19370
600 = 126.19360
130 = 126.19340
760 = 126.192

 







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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2011, 02:03:29 AM »
Thanks but I was looking for something on the lines of guns with the same actions sold by the same company...

Crosman Pantom and Quest - same action

Stoeger X10 and X20 - same action

Then later we could compare them with the clones.

Sometimes on these clone lists I really don't know which was the original and which was the clone. Sometimes there are repeats with other guns listed and I don't know if it was an upgraded version of the gun that was a clone of something else...

I wish I knew more about these guns so I could fix these lists once and for all... LOL
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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 02:24:46 AM »
You would not of had to look very hard.. It is in the GTA Library...:)

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/library/clonelist.htm

Compiled from many air gun enthusiasts. Originating  on AirGunInfo.com  by Bill Clark
List was amended on 6/20/09 by members of the GTA and edited and formatted by Tony Martin
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH:   HW-97K,  Crosman Kantana, CZ-200, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery,  Remington NPSS .177, Crosman Venom, Crosman RamQuest, Gamo 440, Gamo S1K, Gamo CFX Synthetic, Gamo CFX Royal,  RWS 24

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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2011, 02:24:54 AM »
That's were I found my list and think yours is the same as the one I found. :D
« Last Edit: June 16, 2011, 02:26:59 AM by GamoHunter »

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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 02:30:52 AM »
Most of your Crosman and Gamo 1000 fps guns share the same power plants. Differences bein in mounting hole locations on forstock. Most all Crosman 1000 fps springers and some gas ram models can interchange stocks. Crosman production air guns only.

Same goes for Gamo. Now with Stoeger X-20 models they are unique to Stoeger only. These things you learn by buying hundreds of air guns and playing with them...:)
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH:   HW-97K,  Crosman Kantana, CZ-200, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery,  Remington NPSS .177, Crosman Venom, Crosman RamQuest, Gamo 440, Gamo S1K, Gamo CFX Synthetic, Gamo CFX Royal,  RWS 24

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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2011, 03:18:10 AM »
Thanks.. Yea, ^^^ that's the type of information I was looking for... The air guns that I mentioned are the only ones that I know about... I was trying to look into Gamo and it confuses me with their Silent, Bone, Cats, and Socoms.... Any more detailed info on those...? So is an Optimus the same as a quest?

I'm happy that some Companies don't try to confuse you on what action you are getting with a particular stock...

Thanks again...
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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2011, 10:02:44 AM »
I guess the real question is are you going to swap stocks or something?  I mean a lot of those Gamo rifles you can swap stocks around by just buying one and removing the screws. :)  Like Gene says, a lot of them internally are identical.  One of my friends owns some sort of Gamo (don't remember the model) and internally it seemed identical to my Whisper. The stocks will swap and the way you take it apart is exactly the same. 
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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2011, 05:14:55 PM »
I'm also wondering what has the same action but just costs more because of the stock... I might want to get a Gamo or some other brand one day and I want to know if I'm paying too much for the same thing...
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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 05:38:58 PM »
As a rule most all Gamo's these days are way over priced for what you get. Most all have same exact power plants but with different barrel configueration and stocks.  Marketing runs Gamo now.
THE ONES I SLEEP WITH:   HW-97K,  Crosman Kantana, CZ-200, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery,  Remington NPSS .177, Crosman Venom, Crosman RamQuest, Gamo 440, Gamo S1K, Gamo CFX Synthetic, Gamo CFX Royal,  RWS 24

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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2011, 09:12:45 AM »
Like Gene said, some of the models are just marketing models! They have no real difference except outside appearance and the name on them!  I have a three year old Whisper though that I wouldn't part with for the world. :)  It was the first adult air gun I bought. I found the GTA forum, found the GRT trigger and the rest has been a BLAST. :D 
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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2011, 04:02:41 PM »
Yep, I agree Marketing does run Gamo. I got that impression when researching thier guns... Out of all the companies out there they are the hardest for me to figure out the differences between their guns...

How would you suggest an inexperienced person go about deciding which guns are actually the same from a particular company with different stocks? Would you look at the pics of all the guns with the same caliber and FPS and compare actions to see if they look the same?

In general, I'm just trying to get the most out of my airgun budget... Reducing the product lines of airgun companies to a few key guns is probably what I'm trying to do...
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2011, 09:11:24 AM »
My suggestion would be just post the question here!  Within a matter of seconds someone will usually pipe up with the answer.  :)
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Re: Same gun list???
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2011, 10:42:57 AM »
If you want an affordable pellet rifle under $150.00, take a look at the Crosman line of springers and the Stoeger X-20. These shooters are worth every penny you pay fer them. And you get all metal barrels and triggers...:) Walmart usually has a couple of the Crosman's for around $100.00

THE ONES I SLEEP WITH:   HW-97K,  Crosman Kantana, CZ-200, Webley/Scott UK Tomahawk, Benji Marauder, Benji Discovery,  Remington NPSS .177, Crosman Venom, Crosman RamQuest, Gamo 440, Gamo S1K, Gamo CFX Synthetic, Gamo CFX Royal,  RWS 24

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# B1 = Umarex China 61 / Diana 25
# B2 = Umarex China 62 / Norconia Germany (premium) / Lider 2 / Blazer Hornet
# B3 & B4 = Blazer Ranger / Lider-44/45 / Magnum Sport / Norconia Germany ProTarget & Master
# B8 = Gamo Delta
# B12 = Blazer Combat / BMK-12 / Perfecta 45S / Turcar / Xisico XS B-12
# B15 = Lider 15
# B19 = BMK19 / Gamo 220/440 / Crosman Quest / Swiss Arms SA2 / Perfecta 55
# B20 = Weihrauch HW95
# B21 = RWS/Diana 48
# B22 = Benjamin Trial / Benjamin Superstreak / Hunter Airgun Strike 1
# B25 = RWS/Diana 34 / Ruger Airhawk / XISICO XS25
# B26 = Weihrauch HW95
# B28 = RWS/Diana 350
# B30 = RWS/Diana 48
# B31 = Industry Brand B4
# B40 = Air Arms TX200
# B50 = Daystate Huntsman
# B51 = Daystate Huntsman
# BAM S22 = Pioneer / Industry Brand S2
# BMK 12 = B12 / Blazer Combat / Perfecta 45S Turcar
# BMK 19 = B19 / Gamo 220/440 / Crosman Phantom/Quest/Optimus/Nitro Venom / Remington Vantage / Swiss Arms SA2 / Perfecta 55
# BMK 20 = Weihrauch HW95
# BMK 26 = Weihrauch HW95
# BMK 27 = Remington Summit
# BMK 30 = RWS/Diana 48
# BMK 40 = Air Arms TX200
# BMK 50 = B50 / Daystate Huntsman
# BMK 51 = B51 / Daystate Huntsman
# Crosman Phantom, Quest & TAC series = based on BAM B19 platform
# Industry Brand 88 = Norconia Germany Prestige
# Industry Brand AR1000 Magnum = Hammerli Black/Hunter Force 1000 / Techforce 89
# Industry Brand AR2000 Magnum = Techforce Jet
# Industry Brand AR3000 Magnum = Techforce 87
# Industry Brand AR2078 = based on QB78
# Industry Brand AR2079B =based on QB79
# Industry Brand AR2095 = ??
# Industry Brand B4 = Lider 31 / Lider 6/31 / Perfecta 47
# Industry Brand B23 = Norconia Germany Proffesional
# Industry Brand BS4 = FWB300
# Industry Brand QB36 = Hammerli Hunter Force 900 / Techforce 97
# Industry Brand QB15 = Techforce 15
# Industry Brand QB18 = Hammerli Black / Hunter Force 600 / Techforce 49
# Industry Brand QB23 = Hammerli Black / Hunter Force 750 / Techorce 59
# Industry Brand QB36 = Hammerli Hunter Force 900 / Techforce 97
# Industry Brand QB51 = ??
# Industry Brand QB57 = Techforce 67
# Industry Brand QB58 = Techforce 58
# Industry Brand QB78 = XS78 / Crosman 160/167
# Industry Brand QB79 = XS79 / Crosman 180/187
# Industry Brand QS24 = SMK QS24
# Industry Brand QS35 = Techforce 35
# Industry Brand S2 = Blazer Spiker Wood
# Industry Brand SP2 = Blazer Spiker Black
# Industry Brand SS2 = FWB65
# Remington Summit & Vantage = based on BAM B19 platform
# SMK XS12 = Xisico XS B-12 / BMK-12 / Stoeger X5
# SMK XS15 = Bam B15
# SMK XS17
# SMK XS19 = Gamo 220/440 - Crosman Quest - Swiss Arms SA2
# SMK XS20 = Weihrauch HW95
# SMK XS36-1 = QB36-1 / TechForce 97
# SMK XS36-2 = QB36-2 / TechForce 99
# SMK XS38 = upgraded XS36
# SMK XS78 = QB78 / Crosman 160/167
# SMK XS79 = QB79 / Crosman 180/187
# SMK XS208 = RWS/Diana 34 / Ruger Airhawk / XISICO XS25
# SMK SynSG = RWS/Diana 34 Panther
# SMK SynTarg = XISICO XS16
# SMK SynXS = QB20, A synthetic stocked version of QB18
# Stoeger X5 = based on BAM B12 platform
# Stoeger X10 = upgraded BAM B19 platform
# Stoeger X20 = upgraded BAM B19 platform
# Stoeger X50 = upgraded BAM B19 platform
# XISICO XS12 = SMK XS12 / BMK 12 / Stoeger X5
# XISICO XS16 = SMK SynTarg
# XISICO XS25 = SMK XS208 / RWS/Diana 34 / Ruger Airhawk
# XISICO XS28M = Diana 350 magnum / Ruger Air Magnum
# XISICO XS46U = Browning Leverage / Zhejiang Xinhua XT303-1
# XISICO XS60C = Ruger Liquid Gas Rifle (LGR) / Zhejiang Xinhua XT501
# XISICO XS-B9-1 = QB57 platform
# XISICO XS-B26 = Weihrauch HW95 / BMK20 / BAM B20
# XISICO XS-B26-2 = Weihrauch HW95 / BMK26 / BAM B26
# XISICO XSP180 = Zhejiang Xinhua XTS5

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