Norica guns?



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Offline jmdavis984

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Norica guns?
« on: June 03, 2011, 11:52:15 AM »
I have a nifty little spreadhseet set up that compares ALL of the sub $200 spring powered airguns avaialbe from PA.  As I've been sorting through them decising on good selections, I noticed the Norica name coming up a lot.  Being a cost limited buyer, I paid most of my attention to the Tech Force brand.  However, right there at the same price or within $10 was a Norica brand gun offering the same performance.  Here are some examples:

Break barrel, 15+ FPE, .22
TF89 = $160
Norica Tribal = $150

Underlever, 15+ FPE, .22
TF87 = $190
Norica Quick = $200

Breakbarrel, Plinker, .177
XS-B12 = $65 (TF only offers the TF15 in that class, which seems to be an under-performer)
Norica Model 56  = $80

The only difference I see between the guns listed is that more people are buying the chinese guns than the Spanish guns (at least going by the number of reviews).  Are the Norica gunssub-par?  Are they inferior to the Chinese guns?  Anyone who has an informed opinion of the aforementioned rifles, please let me know what you think of them, or of the Norica brand in general.  Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2011, 12:49:16 PM »
I bought a Norica Storm and own a bunch of TF guns. The Norica is like a cross between TF and Cometa, in that they remind me of TF guns in handling, but look more like Cometas. The Storm is my only Norica, and I think that is because Noricas have been so cheap that it makes it seem like they can't be well-made -- that, and I have so many springers I don't need any more... I made an exception for the Storm.

I have not given that gun its deserved workout, but my impressions are pretty good. Underpriced due to under-representation, I think. My bet is it sells WORSE because of the low price. If they were more expensive, I bet more people would oogle at them...

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2011, 03:08:11 PM »
I have not heard much about Norica. They are an underrepresented brand in my mind. Maybe people have tried them
On here but I haven't read about it. I couldn't tell you if they are better quality than the Chinese guns but they do look pretty sweet. Some of their stock designs are really cool. But that being said with one of the china guns you know what you are going to get in terms of performance because many people on here and else where have used them but with the Norica I'm not sure if I could say the same
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2011, 06:52:58 PM »
The Storm was copied by the Chinese.  Can't remember the model.  Everyone has spoken well of the Storm.  PA has finally sold out and no longer lists them.  First the .22 and then the .177.  Too bad, since it was a nice looker, too.  Who knows why it didn't sell?  This sport has a lot of "experts" and I guess they just dissed Norica without checking them out.  FWIW, Norica has been supplying inexpensive but well-built guns for years.  The old Marksman 35, for example.  I have a couple of mid-80's guns and they are both pretty decent.

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2011, 10:54:20 AM »
I have a Beeman gt600 which is a Norica I believe ..
Mine shoots well looks good  it is comparable to all the Chinese I have owned..
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2011, 05:16:31 PM »
I looked into the Quick a couple years ago.
The biggest slap was that it wasn't "Quick".
Not Powerful....but very accurate and nicely done.  I liked it inhand and the trigger/safety over the Tech Force.
I Didn't know if there were modifications at that time, so I passed and bought another CFX
Hope this helps
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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2011, 06:45:56 PM »
After revisiting your thread, let me add that people are buying more Chinese guns because they are cheap (both the guns and some of the people.  ;)  )  The Norica's are well made to start with and not sub-par compared to their Chinese copies.

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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2011, 01:56:36 PM »
jmdavis984
For what it's worth, there is an offering from Xisco that has my interest.  It's an underlever fixed barrel with wood and is marketed in the sub $200.00 range.
Model #XS46U
Browning is also offering the same A/G with their Logo on it.  It is more expensive of course.
Again, I am interested in this model, and am looking for more info on it.  You may wanna take a look.   Hope this helps.

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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2011, 04:58:55 PM »
I have two of the Norica Storm, .22 and .177. Both very nice out of box. Way above the chinese guns. Nice triggers and accurate. I have praised them before on the forum. The whole rifle is finished nicely, as good as higher priced rifles.
The Norica Tribal is nice also but has a direct sear trigger where the Storm does not.
If PA does not sell them because they are a slow mover it is to bad for Norica and us that know what a value it is.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2011, 08:55:24 PM »
I've looked at the 46U, and just don't like the way it looks.  I'm not a big fan of the big plastic barrel ends on that gun, stoeger guns, the Gamo CFX, and the like.

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2011, 09:32:46 PM »
I share your view.  Too much plastic up front for me, too.  Sadly, that seems to be the direction most are going in these days.  Witness the constructions on the barrels of Gamo's and Cometa's.  Less is more.

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2011, 04:52:14 PM »
Hi, I'm new here... I've been wanting to buy a low power .22 caliber rifle for target practice and back yard rat hunting... I've been looking at the Norica 56 Basic but I can't find much info on it besides on Norica's main site... My main concern is the trigger... How bad is it? From what I've read, Norica had a good trigger and a really bad one but I don't know which one was put in the 56... They say that the Beeman 1040 is a very similar bad Chinese copy of this gun and the trigger is awful... One page says it's a single stage trigger and another would say it's a two-stage trigger. So, I don't know what to think...  Plus, is there a spring out there that would fit int the gun to up the speed just a little bit with a tune? I'm probably asking too much... LOL

I've also been looking at the Daisy 22SG but I don't like the plastic pump lever...

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2011, 10:26:54 AM »
If you are really sold on 22, I think you will have a hard time finding a decent trigger at that price range.  If .177 is acceptable, then the Air Venturi Bronco is touted as the best trigger on a low-powered gun (again, in the price range).  Sorry, I don't really know about the Norica 56.  You are right, some of them have a good trigger, some of them have a bad trigger.  But, from what I've read, ANY trigger can be "cleaned up" with some deburriing/polishing and lube.

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2011, 03:39:34 PM »
Thanks jmdavis984...

Yes, I'm sold on a .22... I only have one other .22 and promised myself that next purchase I would get one... The reason I want to go with a smaller youth size rifle is because sometimes I need to maneuver in a small space when the rats are out and I'm not good with a pistol. I like the low power (preferably 500 - 650 in .22) because I don't want the pellet going through anything but the rats... The BIGGEST reason I'm interested in the Norica is because I want to try my hand at tuning a springer (safely of course) and at that low price I won't be too afraid of messing with it... I also don't mind cleaning up a bad trigger but the descriptions of the 1040 and the Norica Dragon make the trigger sound horrid, like I'd need two hands to pull it or something... I've found that the spring from a Norica Sport would speed up the 54  but good luck on finding that... LOL I downloaded the exploded parts view and they are basically the same gun with different springs...

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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2011, 10:32:10 AM »
Unfortunately, I have fund that a lot of the guys that claim "two fingered trigger" are the same guys that shoot high-dollar airguns and have them professionally tuned to a 1lb trigger pull.  I would pull a number out of the air and say that the norica probably has a trigger pull from 5-8 lbs, which seems to be a typical number for direct-seer, non-polished triggers.  If you have "tuning" in mind anyway, I would say have no fear.

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2011, 05:28:04 PM »
Oh... Ok..  You just sold me on the Norica. LOL

Thanks thanks for the knowledgeable information...  ;D
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2011, 07:24:45 AM »
http://www.norica.es/CatalogoNorica2011.pdf

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Hello, Greetings from Spain, I would like to clarify the question of Norica.
They are not clones of Chinese weapons, in contrast, the Chinese have copied Norica and because of this copy-to-state Norica factory to close because they can not compete with the working methods of China, we all know .... among other reasons that are affecting all industries in my country and around the world.
In the USA, Norica airguns have been marketed as other brands Hamerli Nova, Razor, Beeman GS 1000 and many other models, until Beeman took his production to China (a few years ago Beeman airguns were made ​​in Spain). I guess it would buy patent
I've seen prices Norica in your country, and truth that are cheaper than in Spain, I guess it will be for open market in USA and ending stocks are down here too the price on some models

En Espaņol , si alguien lo entiende

Hola, saludos desde Espaņa,me gustaria aclarar la cuestion sobre Norica.
No son clones de las armas Chinas, al contrario, los chinos han copiado a Norica y a causa de esta copia la fabrica Norica a estado a punto de cerrar al no poder competir con los metodos de trabajo de China, que todos conocemos....Entre otras razones que estan afectando a todas las industrias de mi pais y de todo el mundo.
En USA, los airguns Norica se han comercializado como otras marcas  Hamerli Nova, Razor, Beeman GS 1000 y muchos mas modelos, hasta que Beeman llevo su produccion a China(hace unos aņos los airguns Beeman eran fabricados en Espaņa).Supongo que compraria la patente
He visto los precios de Norica en su pais, y la verdad que son mas baratos que en Espaņa, supongo que sera para abrir mercado en USA y acabar con las existencias, aqui tambien han bajado su precio en algunos modelos
La fabrica Norica ahora a vuelto a continuar la produccion exclusivamente solo de airguns y no de armas de fuego como escopetas de caza , como hacian antes y ya tienen un nuevo airgun el Marvic2.0 y comentan que van a producir mas cosas nuevas (podrian retirar ese horrible gatillo, jejeje).
Para mi gusto Norica me parece mejor que Gamo y Cometa, aunque en esta ultima se parece bastante en calidad de construccion
Bueno nada mas , espero que lo puedan entender, ya que estoy usando el traductor de Google y la verdad no es muy exacto

Norica The factory now go back to the exclusive production of airguns and not only firearms such as shotguns, as they did before and already have a new airgun the Marvic2.0 and comment that will produce more new things (could withdraw that horrible trigger, lol).
For my taste seems better Norica and Gamo Comet, although the latter is quite similar in quality construction
Well nothing else, I hope you can understand, since I'm using Google translator, and the truth is not very accurate

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2011, 09:03:10 AM »
Viento -
As always, we really appreciate it when factory reps get involved in user forums in an honest, non-commercial way.  There is no better way to learn how to improve your product than to listen to the insights of your target market.  I, for one, am going to give Norica Air Rifles a fair shake, and likely have at least one in my future.

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2011, 01:47:21 PM »
Viento - Am I reading your post correctly in that Norica will be closing?  I certainly hope not.  They have been in the business providing good air guns for too long.  Everyone is bemoaning the lower quality of the older air gun makers, yet applauding all of the cheap clones.  If Norica is going out of business due to the copy cats, it is sad.  I have said before that, while these copies might make guns affordable, they are bound to be hurting the companies who designed the guns in the first place.  Beeman's duplicity in having the guns copied in China was the first step down a slippery slope for that once-proud company.

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