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Title: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: RCTrax05 on July 13, 2012, 10:11:57 PM
Today, as I wandered the isles of the local WalMart, I noticed a new airgun -- the Crosman 'Fury'... It looks like a Phantom stock, with a barrel similar to the nitro venom (no open sights, and a plastic "muzzle break").... The package implies that it is a standard .177 springer, with 1200fps using alloy pellets, so probably about 1000fps with lead..?

It was priced at $89...

I didn't buy one, and figured I'd try to research it a bit before I did... Surprise! even on the WalMart and/or Crosman web sites, I cannot find ANY information on it. (Crosman lists a manual for a 'Fury" AG, but that is a Nitro Piston gun, with open sights.)

Has anyone tried one of these?
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: demarisl on July 14, 2012, 11:46:59 PM
Saw one today in my local Walmart but didn't notice the price.  According to the manual ( http://www.crosman.com/pdf/manuals/CF1K77NP-OM.pdf (http://www.crosman.com/pdf/manuals/CF1K77NP-OM.pdf) ) it is a nitro piston.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Nate the airgunner on July 14, 2012, 11:59:00 PM
Haven't seen them at my wally world yet.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Ken13 on July 15, 2012, 12:19:09 AM
I saw them, they just slighty redesigned the phantom threw in a crappy scop and called it a day
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: lillysdad621 on July 15, 2012, 10:55:43 AM
yeah... saw them yesterday. I dont think they have a nitro piston... it does not say that anywhere in the box, and we all know how much does crosman like to publicize the NP...
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: RCTrax05 on July 19, 2012, 12:44:58 AM
Well... I gave in and bought one of these WalMart/Crosman 'Fury' airguns...

SURPRISE! It has turned out to be a very nice airgun! In appearance, it is most like pictures of the G1 Extreme, and it is NOT a 'nitro' AG. As everyone noted, the scope is the usual CenterPoint 4x32 el-cheapo. Caliber is .177. The front "muzzle brake" is identical to the one on my Nitro Venom dusk...

I only have about 150 pellets through the gun so far, but the results are, as noted earlier, very good...

On my Beta Chrony, it has a 10 shot average of 937.6fps w/ CPHP'S... The 'extreme spread' for all 10 shots was only 7.5 fps, and the standard deviation was only 2.5 -- amazingly consistent for "out of the box"... (High was 942.6 fps, low was 9.35.1)

I used techniques posted here on the forum to adjust the scope's parallax for the shorter distances of my indoor range (10yds), and that really helped with accuracy -- I was able to zero the scope and verify the zero in under 20 shots...

I have only done preliminary pellet testing, since I assume the "favorite" pellet may change as it continues to break in, but this also gave me a chance to confirm the accuracy. I tested 10 pellets, and the current "favorite" turned out to be Destroyer EX's. Shooting the pellet test in a single session, ALL  the 5 shot groups (at 10yds) were under 0.63" or less. Since I am not the steadiest shooter, even with a paint-roller rest, I normally measure the best 4 out of 5 hits for each pellet -- those tended to range from 0.22" to 0.4"...  (Pellets tested were Crosman CPHP's, Hunting/pointed, and Destroyer EX's, along with Beeman Hollow Points and Pointed, RWS SuperDomes, Pointed, and "Meisterkugeln" wadcutters...

Of course, the AG has the usual not very good Crosman trigger, but we all know how to cure that (CDT)...

Anyway -- I thought I'd share my results with the rest of you...
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: rich on July 25, 2012, 10:34:34 AM
with that price ($89) - how can you go wrong? Seems like a great deal.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: longislandhunter on July 25, 2012, 02:44:08 PM
I saw them at my local Walmart earlier this morning except they had it listed for $114.00   I figured it was just another rebagged  phantom but I did like the new muzzle brake. 

Jeff
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: topwaterjim on July 26, 2012, 03:00:41 AM
I just saw them at Wally world and it is the ohantum minus open sites and plastic muzzle break. It's got a tried and true powerplant but I like open sites on the phantom just my mho...Jim..
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: fury.user on July 26, 2012, 10:50:47 AM
I have just bought this gun.
and let me say it is very accurate when it gets sighted in.
got mine for 105$ with tax.
very great gun for the price. :D
I am just waiting for some reviews and specs. Of this gun.
what i saw in it is thatbthe stock is from a phantom exactly like it.
(Only thing i hate it sounds like a 22. Very loud but i guess it started to get lower after a couple shoots)by the way its a 177. Cal. Works great with lead pellets(1000fps) nom lead (1200fps)
its great
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: lillysdad621 on July 26, 2012, 10:09:39 PM
shoot the heaviest lead pellet you got... clean the bore with goo gone and make sure your stock screws are tightened every 100 shots or so... in 500 to 1000 open it up, clean the guts, mildly lube with moly and reassemble. enjoy. its grandpa the extreme and its daddy the phantom were great guns...
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: FerrumB5 on July 26, 2012, 10:11:26 PM
Just saw Fury at local Walmart (Naperville, IL). It's only 695 fps here in IL
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Bullit on July 27, 2012, 11:41:19 AM
Yeah, it's that "under 700fps", firearm definition law in Illinois...sorry.   Head Northwest across the border, with your FOID, and you can probly get one.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: lillysdad621 on July 27, 2012, 09:06:15 PM
... yeah but it will never be as smooth as that 700fps fury... that is got to be a sweet air rifle to plink all day...
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Suburbanairgun on July 28, 2012, 01:23:53 AM
I too saw the fury at my local walmart. Also for $89. Seems like a great starter gun or just plinking in the backyard.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: airgunandy on July 28, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
Just saw Fury at local Walmart (Naperville, IL). It's only 695 fps here in IL

Hmmmm..... I wonder if I can get an IL spec rifle in NC? Wonder what parts swapping Crosman did to make it shoot slower.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on July 28, 2012, 07:44:14 PM
Hey There!

This is my first post here, glad I stumbled on this site.

I am new to the new generation of Airguns.  I am a good shot with conventional arms, but they aren't too convenient for shooting in the backyard.  I had a few weak ole' pistols when I was a kid and decided i wanted to get a bb/pellet rifle for some backyard plinking because I remember how fun that used to be.

So, about a week ago I went to Walmart and bought a Daisy 880s powerline and came back the next night for a centerline laser sight, since the scope it came with was complete &^^&.  It listed at 900fps with a 50bb capacity and pellet/bb versatility for 45 bucks seemed like a good deal.  I took the gun home, zeroed in the laser, and it was driving nails.    Mainly I got one of those Crosman foam indoor critter targets and was shooting it in the bathroom with 2 or 3 pumps..., because at 10 pumps it went clear through the target, out the backside, and put a legit hole in my bathtub!  The old lady was loving that!  :P haha.

Impressive for 45 bucks, and I was putting holes in holes from about 15 yards with the laser sight.

But as these things tend to go  ;), I decided I wanted something that felt less like a toy and had a little more pop to it.  The Daisy felt like it was made of cheap plastic  Reading around the internet, it looked like break-barrels were the preferred type of air rifle.  I bought the Daisy while I was half-drunk at 2am (gota love walmart, lol)

So, I went back to Walmart and looked at my options..    a big cat whisper, a beeman .17/.22 swappable barrel, some random other Gamo, A Benjamin Trail nitro piston, A benjamin trail all-weather NP .22 with a bull barrell, and that one gun that's endorsed by those guys on TV that says "1350 fps serious critter poppin power" on it.

They have a real nice return policy at Walmart, and talkin to the manager i figured out i can take any of these home and test em out and bring em back if i dont like em. 

Lookin' at their website, the Phantom was getting the highest average reviews (and it was also the cheapest)... but when I got there I saw that they didn't actually have the Phantom, they had the "FURY" (Model number CP1K77X). 

It doesn't have iron sights, but it comes with a centerpoint scope, it has an easily adjustable trigger pull, it has real metal scope rails (unlike the Daisy), a muzzle break, and did I mention it feels like a real gun? Pretty much all the .177 guns they had in stock were rated 1000fps (1250 with PBAs) so i figured I'd give this one a shot because it looked similar to the highly praised Phantom.  (and it was cheaper than the Gamos).   Plus I like the aftermarket Centerpoint laser sight I got, so I figured I might like the sight it came with.

I took it out of the box even though I wasnt supposed to, and it was immediately evident that this thing is waaaaay more heavy duty than the Daisy 880s.  It looks and feels like a real gun.  So for 89 bucks with a scope, I brought my Daisy in from the car and returned it for the FURY. 

This gun must be really new, because it isnt even on Walmart's website, and I haven't seen anything about it on the internet other than here. The stock looks similar to some other Crosman guns, but other than that... No reviews or nothing, so I'm probably one of the only people writing about it at this point.  With Walmart's )&^%*^ return policy, It was worth a tryout.

Well enough with the really long and boring backstory... sorry bout that!

Anyway, like I said i'm pretty new to Air Rifles but this thing seems nice.  I have the spring version, but I've seen somewhere that theres a Nitro Version, and I was wondering if I should look to trade it in for that one.  I'm wondering if theres a real difference in recoil/sound... I have neighbors pretty close, and I dont want people complaining... because I just can't stop shooting this thing!

its got a nice weight balance to it...  I'd like to know if anyone here has experience with any of the other Walmart guns I mentioned up there, and if they think they might be better options... but some of them cost almost twice as much and don't deliver anymore FPS.  I know accuracy is where your money goes, but I've read that some 100 dollar crosmans perfor like guns that cost 3 times as much.

I really like that I can EASILY shorten up the trigger pull.  With a hair trigger, it makes a huge difference in shoulder fire accuracy for sure.  I dont know if those other guns have easily adjustable trigger pulls like that. 

Clearly this thing is a heckuva lot stronger than the 880s powerline.  even with 10+ pumps, its not even close.  I was having a good ole time with the daisy, but this thing is on another level, for sure. 

But check this out:
When I was pulling guns out of boxes to look at them, I noticed that the Gamo scope from the big cat whisper or one of the other Gamos (I forget which one exactly) was a lot brighter than the scope that came with the Fury.  When I was boxing up the Fury to purchase it, i accidentally put that Gamo scopes in it instead of the centerpoint that it came with.  And somehow I ended up with 4 scope mounts instead of two! lol whoops! So, does anyone know if the Gamo scope is better than the scope that comes with Fury?  Should I just keep the Gamo, or go back to the store and get the centerpoint that comes with the Crosman?

 I'll upload a picture of the Gamo scope that I ended up with, so you'll see which one I'm talking about.  I don't know if the centerpoint that comes with the fury has any extra nice things going for it, but maybe one of you who has bought the fury can give me an opinion on this.  The Gamo has a very clear picture, but I don't know if that equals accuracy... i heard someone say somewhere that the crossman/centerfire scope has "dual crosshairs" or something like that, to help tell if your shot is lined up, but the gamo does not have this.  Maybe I misheard about the "dual crosshairs" thing, but any advice would be greatly appreciated!  I don't have any complaint about the Gamo scope; it's got a nice solid sounding click when you adjust the 1/4"-100yd dials and seems like decent quality... but if someone could definitively tell me which of the two scopes is better, that would be awesome. 

Also one pair of the scope rings uses 4 screws to mount the scope (2 on each side) and one pair uses 1 screw on each side.  I'm not sure which is which, (Gamo or Crosman), but if anyone could tell me which would be better to use, I'd appreciate it.  I figure the rings with 4 screws would be sturdier? i'm not sure though, and maybe it's a dumb question but I'd rather ask someone that knows their sh1t than take it for granted.

I also plan on mounting the aftermarket laser sight I bought onto the Fury. I actually did a ghetto rig mount last night, where I took one of the extra scope rings, put it upside down on the scope, then tightened the rail  clamp down onto a part of the laser's scope ring's rail clamp.... it was wobbling a little bit though, because a screw was getting in the way.   I took the ghetto laser sight rig off, but maybe I'll put it back on and take a pic to show you guys what i was talking about. 

Is there a place I can get a mount that would attach the laser to the regular scope in a non-ghetto way? I guess I'd need something that looked like an "8" where one side is an inch and one side is about 5/8".

Even though - as you can see, I'm kind of an Air Gun noob - I am liking this thing A LOT.  After taking a bunch of the guns at walmart out of their boxes, I really like the feel of this one, even compared to the more expensive Gamo's.  The Stock is very sturdy feeling, and it has a nice balance point in front of the trigger housing for artillery style shooting.  It has a very sexy all-black look, as opposed to the cheesy camouflage of some of the more expensive guns at walmart.  There is actually quite a bit of kick on this thing for an airgun (I think?)... well definitely compared to the Daisy 880s.  But with the trigger pull shortened to the max, it is pretty darn accurate.  I've been shooting 2 different tins of pellets: The Crosman "pointed, premium grade hunting" tin and the Crosman "Destroyer EX"  Both seem to be pretty accurate, but I might give a slight edge to the regular points.  Hard to say yet tho, as im still getting it truly  siyhter



Well I am really rambling now, but I'm glad that I can contribute in some way to the discussion of this very new product.  It sure seems nice.  Especially the sturdiness and heft, and the easily adjustable trigger pull.  If anyone has an answer to any of my questions (especially the gamo vs centerpoint scope question), I would REALLY REALLY appreciate it. 

Well, I'm gonna get back to shooting the eyeballs out of these tactical targets from 15yards. 

Thanks y'all!,

WILD WEST SHOOTER


edited for remoaval of stop sign comments
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Bullit on July 29, 2012, 11:38:08 PM
You need to do what is right.  Only you can make that decision.  You reap what you sow...
Any offshelf springer that can consistently group under 2" at 50 yards is a benchmark production unit that you can be happy with.  Stopsigns are pretty large targets.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: sc_hunter on July 30, 2012, 12:30:31 AM
You need to do what is right.  Only you can make that decision.  You reap what you sow...
Any offshelf springer that can consistently group under 2" at 50 yards is a benchmark production unit that you can be happy with.  Stopsigns are pretty large targets.

Being a knoobie here I hesitated to post on above reply. I am glad to see kymike stepped forward......
I see my local Walmarts are stocking less air rifles on the shelves. It could be due to some of their ownership being sort of anti-gun I hear or could it be having a shelve full of air rifles with missing scopes, wrong scopes in the box for model or missing rings? I wonder.............................

I actually wondered if it was a real post or a troll?
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Ken T on July 30, 2012, 02:12:07 AM
Stop signs are NOT targets.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Chugosh on July 30, 2012, 01:17:04 PM
Stop signs are NOT targets.
It does make me less pleased with the shooting community to see a public sign with any sort of shot damage on it.  It paints us all as irresponsible rednecks.  Or all of us rednecks as irresponsible, I mean.

I think I'd be more interested in a .22 for the money mentioned, but it sounds like a pretty gun.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on July 30, 2012, 06:54:19 PM
 I still am hoping someone can give me some tips on the sight.  The one I ended up with is the 4x32 off a Gamo Silent Cat. Is the gamo sight better than the crosman/centerpoint 4x32?

Thx




*edited for removal of stop sign comment
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on July 30, 2012, 07:19:13 PM
here are some pics
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on July 30, 2012, 08:13:05 PM
Well... I gave in and bought one of these WalMart/Crosman 'Fury' airguns...

...the scope is the usual CenterPoint 4x32 el-cheapo.

I used techniques posted here on the forum to adjust the scope's parallax for the shorter distances of my indoor range (10yds), and that really helped with accuracy -- I was able to zero the scope and verify the zero in under 20 shots...



Of course, the AG has the usual not very good Crosman trigger, but we all know how to cure that (CDT)...



Hello Fellow Fury owner!  :D

I was really hoping that you could tell me a little about the scope, ---following up on the questions I posed in general on my other posts. 

I don't think the Gamo scope i have off the silent cat has an adjustable parallax... but I don't know much about parallax's so maybe I'm just noobing hardcore? 

I too like to shoot in about a 10 yard indoor range and I've been having trouble with getting my scope's crosshairs and the target both focused.  That's what the parallax does, right? Do you think i should go back to Walmart and have them give me the crosman/centerline scope that was supposed to come with the fury, or should I keep the Gamo 4x32 off the mor expensive "Gamo Silent Cat" that came with the fury accidentally?  I just really have no idea which of the two scopes is better.

Also, you mentioned something about doing something to mod the trigger...   could you please link me to how to do that? 

Thanks a ton buddy!

Also.. does the centerpoint scope you got with the fury have Mil Dots or standard crosshairs?  THANKS AGAIN~~~
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: RCTrax05 on July 31, 2012, 12:04:25 AM
HI! The scope that comes with the Fury doesn't have true adjustable objective (AO) parallax adjustment capability, but I found some very good information on this site about adjusting the parallax...

The short version is that I unscrewed the front "trim ring" on the scope (Not the rear "focus" ring)... after unscrewing that, you can turn the threads holding the front lens in/out as needed. (Look through the scope at a target and adjust until the target is in clear focus...) This is a really rough description, but do a search on this site for the full information...

No mil-dots, just standard crosshairs...

I didn't mod the trigger -- I plan to order a CDT trigger to upgrade it...

So far, the best pellet I've found is the GAMO 'Hunter' (domed pellet) -- at 10 yards, I've shot a 4 shot group that is 0.12" center to center...
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: MustangMike on August 01, 2012, 02:43:56 AM
good deal, grt trigger is deff a must for any crosman/gamo/stoeger/ etc.... rifles that can use
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: kaleo on August 01, 2012, 06:12:56 AM
Hi I'm new to this forum stuff. I just want to say that I think the Fury is an excellent air rifle. I purchased it at Walmart on July 3rd and it hasnt disappointed me yet. Its apparently quieter that my friends Gamo air gun with the special muzzle thing.  I know that its quiet because whille sighting in, all my neighbor could hear was the pellet impacting the soda cans i was using to verify my zero with. But above all its verry accurate. Every bird I aim at I hit. I think for my money which was $135 here on Kauai, its a great gun. Its so quiet and accurate that I am able to kill one bird and finnish off 1 or 2 of his friends before they know whats going on. I also use it to shoot mangos that are too high in my tree for my picker to reach. All in all it is a good gun. For wild west shooter, the scope rings that come with the Fury are the ones that use 4 screws each. I am just really happy to finally be able to find some content on the internet about this gun!
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on August 01, 2012, 12:00:50 PM
Sooo...

Noob questions :
What are crt and grt triggers, and what advantages to they offer over the stock trigger?  Can you still use the adjustable trigger screw with these aftermarket pieces?



Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on August 01, 2012, 12:08:38 PM
To the brah from Kauai : which scope do u like better,  the one on ur fury or the one on ur buddys whisper cat?

My box got switched up at walmart and i ended up with the gamo scope on my fury and i dont know if i should keep the gamo scope or exchange it for the centerfire crosman.  Thx!!!!!!
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: MustangMike on August 01, 2012, 06:19:27 PM
the grt3 trigger is the best trigger out there if it fits in your gun, it gives you a super smooth, clean crisp breaking trigger that is on par the match grade mrod trigger
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: kaleo on August 01, 2012, 09:03:55 PM
Wild west shooter: I do just fine with the scope that came with the gun. It gets the job done. I sighted in at 50 meters, so I dont have a problem with parallax.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on August 01, 2012, 10:39:43 PM
Kaleo -
Sorry to keep buggin you about it, but which scope do you think is better?

my box got messed up at wallyworld and they accidentally gave me the gamo scope.  I'm trying to figure out if i should bring it back and get the crosman scope that usually comes with the fury or did i luck out with the gamo scope (which do u think is the better scope)? i notice at most places the gamo scope sells for about 10-15 bucks more.  i noticed u said ur buddy has the whisper cat (i have the same scope as the the one that comes with the whisper cat) so I'm assuming you've tried both scopes and u might have a feel for which is nicer. So what do you think I should do?  I'm sure they're both decent scopes and I see you have no complaints with the crosman, but maybe you have an idea for which is nicer?  Which would you rather have if they were the same price? What should i do???

I'm really hoping you (or possibly someone else) can tell me which scope is better soon, because I'll be leaving town soon (during which time the return policy will expire) and I need to decide which scope to roll with!!!  They're both 4x32s, but all scopes are a little different so I really need to know which one is more on point! So I really hope you've tried both and can give me an opinion! I was able to kinda look at them both in walmart at 4am one night when there was nobody around to give me &^^& for opening the boxes and the Gamo seemed to be a little big brighter, but I just want whichever one is more accurate. Thanks for your help!!!

W.W.S.

 :o
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on August 01, 2012, 10:47:44 PM
Another noob question:

I had some people over at my house the other night and they were playing with my fury after I fell asleep and ten the next day I took it out of the case and realized it had been cocked all night~

Could this have damaged the gun?  Could I have some lost velocity from having he spring cocked for this time period?? I don't have a Chrony yet and havent been out to the range to tell, plus coupled with my noobness...

Am i making too much out of nothing? or could this have actually messed up the spring a little?? Thanks for info on the GRT3 by the way MustangMike.  maybe someone with some OG skills like you might have an idea?
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on August 02, 2012, 07:28:42 AM
Hi guys,

So It;s kinda late and I was only able to take a couple shots...

but after these knuckleheads left my Fury cocked overnight, its now shooting about 4 inches to the right on my indoor 10ish meter target  :o :o :o :o 

Before this, it was basically dead on!

I could only get a few pellets off before the girlfriend started complaining, but could have leaving it cocked overnight have done this?  i dont know if they messed with the sight, but I kinda doubt they did, just because the tools weren't out. They also shoved it into my gun bag backwards/upside down so there was pressure on the whole length of the gun to the point that it was difficult to unzip! 


The reason i'm posting this right now (at 3am) is because the graveyard shift guy at walmart is easy to get along with and if i have to do a return, id like to do it now.  So if anyone is reading this and thinks the gun could have gotten messed up from any of the above, please let me know ASAP! 

I suppose if I have to wait to tomorrow I can re-sight it and see what happens, but that still leaves open the question of whether the spring could have gotten weaker by being cocked for something like 24hours?  I love my fury and I'm freaking out a little! Experiened airgunners -  plz help!
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: shadow on August 02, 2012, 08:32:00 AM
It's like the Crosman Extreme series airguns TAC1 Extreme and G1. Ihave the TAC1 and the stock etc. are the same. A great shooter if you got one with a good barrel. Ed
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: ezman604 on August 02, 2012, 08:55:55 AM
I personally would not think leaving it cocked overnight did any harm. Leaving one cocked for several days or more will cause a loss of power by setting the spring. I think there's more going on with your Fury than being left cocked.  If it was dead on but after some inexperienced shooters had their hands on it, it's now it is shooting THAT far off? Is there any sign of the gun being dropped? Just sounds like something happened and they hurridly stuck the gun back in the case and left. But that's just an opinion. If it will zero back in, you're good to go. If it won't, take it back and exchange it. Check all scope mounting hardware to make sure everything is tight and not shifting.
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
 8)
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on August 02, 2012, 09:45:42 AM
thanks for the quick response ezman.

So I guess I will try to get it zeroed tomorrow and keep it if it zeroes, and exchange it if it doesn't.  I don't see any obvious drop markings or anything, but the thing is made of very tough synthetic stock.  the only thing that mayyyyyyybe might be noticeable is a little scrape at the end of the muzzle break, but I can't say for sure if that it wasn't already there.  I had read all these horror stories online about people bending barrels, and they had me all riled up.

Right now I am re-mounting the sight.. i wonder if there is a guide anywhere for sight-adjusting for noobs? 

Because of a mixup in the box at Walmart, I ended up with this scope: https://www.pyramydair.com/product-all-reviews/a/gamo-4x32-scope-1-tube-11mm-dovetail-rings/2392 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product-all-reviews/a/gamo-4x32-scope-1-tube-11mm-dovetail-rings/2392)

I think it came off a big cat or a whisper.  I'd still like to hear from someone who has the usual crosman/centerfire scope that is supposed to come with the fury about which scope they think is better.

I think the one that it was supposed to come with is this one; https://www.pyramydair.com/product-all-reviews/a/centerpoint-ar22-series-4x32-duplex-reticle-rifle-scope-3-8-rings/1661 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product-all-reviews/a/centerpoint-ar22-series-4x32-duplex-reticle-rifle-scope-3-8-rings/1661)
Anyway, thanks for ur help ezman...sounds more reasonable than me rushing over to Walmart in the middle of the night  :P
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Wild West Shooter on August 02, 2012, 10:05:55 AM
I also have one of these:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/centerpoint-quick-acquisition-laser-sight-adj-for-windage-elevation?a=3490 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/centerpoint-quick-acquisition-laser-sight-adj-for-windage-elevation?a=3490)

and I guess i need a mount so i can attach it to the scope and use both at the same time.  i see gamo makes a mount that is for a laser AND a flashlight, but I just want the laser mount... haven't found it yet.

Thanks, guys...
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: RCTrax05 on August 02, 2012, 10:40:29 AM
I had some people over at my house the other night and they were playing with my fury after I fell asleep and ten the next day I took it out of the case and realized it had been cocked all night~

How has the re-sighting worked out? I personally kind of wonder if the people playing with the Fury may have played with the scope settings..? When some people first try shooting with an airgun, they are off target due to poor technique and they tend to assume it is the GUN that is "off" and start playing around...


PS: Here is a good video on sighting in a scope:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrJyQGyP3k&feature=plcp#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrJyQGyP3k&feature=plcp#ws)

Here is the target he uses:
http://www.airgunweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/quick-scope-sighting-sheet.pdf (http://www.airgunweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/quick-scope-sighting-sheet.pdf)
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: kaleo on August 03, 2012, 05:28:03 AM
Kaleo -
Sorry to keep buggin you about it, but which scope do you think is better?

my box got messed up at wallyworld and they accidentally gave me the gamo scope.  I'm trying to figure out if i should bring it back and get the crosman scope that usually comes with the fury or did i luck out with the gamo scope (which do u think is the better scope)? i notice at most places the gamo scope sells for about 10-15 bucks more.  i noticed u said ur buddy has the whisper cat (i have the same scope as the the one that comes with the whisper cat) so I'm assuming you've tried both scopes and u might have a feel for which is nicer. So what do you think I should do?  I'm sure they're both decent scopes and I see you have no complaints with the crosman, but maybe you have an idea for which is nicer?  Which would you rather have if they were the same price? What should i do???

I'm really hoping you (or possibly someone else) can tell me which scope is better soon, because I'll be leaving town soon (during which time the return policy will expire) and I need to decide which scope to roll with!!!  They're both 4x32s, but all scopes are a little different so I really need to know which one is more on point! So I really hope you've tried both and can give me an opinion! I was able to kinda look at them both in walmart at 4am one night when there was nobody around to give me &^^& for opening the boxes and the Gamo seemed to be a little big brighter, but I just want whichever one is more accurate. Thanks for your help!!!

W.W.S.

 :o
I like the centerfire scope. a scope is a scope and they all get off zero eventually. all you have to do then is rezero. and yes it sounds like your friends messed with your zero on your scope.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: dryanw on September 01, 2012, 04:25:52 PM
I know this is an old thread, but Amazon doesn't seem to care whether you have foid or not. Ordered my phantom 1000 from there shipped to IL after Bass Pro refused the sale...
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: FerrumB5 on September 01, 2012, 04:26:59 PM
I did the very same thing - and now I'm a happy owner of Ruger BH.
If local stores don't want our money - to *(&^ with local stores, they are loosing business
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: dryanw on September 01, 2012, 04:34:42 PM
Ya, but they gotta follow the rules...My father in law has a laser engraver that I plan on using to engrave  "Illinois Detuned" or "695fps" on the gun so I don't get it confiscated in a traffic stop..
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: FerrumB5 on September 01, 2012, 04:42:16 PM
Ya, but they gotta follow the rules...My father in law has a laser engraver that I plan on using to engrave  "Illinois Detuned" or "695fps" on the gun so I don't get it confiscated in a traffic stop..

By new law (July 2012), anything below 0.18" does not require a FOID: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,34328.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,34328.0.html)
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: dryanw on September 01, 2012, 04:54:56 PM
Well then the staff at Bass Pro are idiots...that's what I thought too but I've read the law states over .18 caliber and/or over 700fps which would mean any gun in .22 caliber or any gun over .18 needs a foid. If it requires both I may go talk to the manager. That employee seemed to enjoy denying me my purchase...
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: FerrumB5 on September 01, 2012, 04:57:44 PM
BPS staff (at least our local one) are complete idiots. I printed out and showed them the new Act, they read it three times. Said - no, it's 1000fps so no. I say - excluding blha blah! They say "aha", then read it again and then say "but here, 1000 fps". And yes I say "excluding"...

Same for all local stores except Dick's but they don't carry Ruger BH
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Bullit on September 01, 2012, 07:21:06 PM
Easy Guys!!!
That change in the Illinois airgun regulations is new, and has less than 90 days on it.  The word just hasn't been thoroughly circulated to all store employees.
  After all,,, y'all didn't know about it until lately.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: FerrumB5 on September 01, 2012, 07:28:57 PM
To KYMike: agreed :)
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Bullit on September 04, 2012, 04:39:13 PM
LOL  There is no Illinois spec airgun.  They just didn't sell them, as per the old law.   Now the law has changed so the .177 is not under the FOID restrictions.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Tater on September 04, 2012, 06:15:48 PM
Just saw Fury at local Walmart (Naperville, IL). It's only 695 fps here in IL

So Walmarts here don't check FOID cards to sell the full-power version?
I know Cabelas has 1000 fps shooters.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: David McAfee on September 05, 2012, 09:03:02 AM
What the heck is FOID?
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Bullit on September 05, 2012, 11:26:37 AM
FOID = Firearm Owners ID.
Required by Illinois residents to own or purchase firearms.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: David McAfee on September 05, 2012, 04:28:42 PM

But check this out:
When I was pulling guns out of boxes to look at them, I noticed that the Gamo scope from the big cat whisper or one of the other Gamos (I forget which one exactly) was a lot brighter than the scope that came with the Fury.  When I was boxing up the Fury to purchase it, i accidentally put that Gamo scopes in it instead of the centerpoint that it came with.  And somehow I ended up with 4 scope mounts instead of two! lol whoops! So, does anyone know if the Gamo scope is better than the scope that comes with Fury?  Should I just keep the Gamo, or go back to the store and get the centerpoint that comes with the Crosman?


You know, I bought a Silent Cat at Wal Mart last month and had to return it because the scope was missing. I was pretty po'd because it was the only one they had in stock. Ended up buying a Trail NP .22 instead.
Title: Re: Crosman 'Fury' at WalMart..?
Post by: Btlflpztk on January 16, 2013, 03:42:36 PM
My new Crosman Fury CF1K77X is not same as my new Phantom CS1K77A. Except both are 0.177 cal 1000 fps "springers". The Fury is made in China whereas Phantom is made in USA (with "foreign components"). The Fury has a nicer blued finish. The Fury stock is longer than Phantom with much smaller cutout for mechanically different cocking lever. The Fury is bigger and seems twice as heavy as Phantom but weighs only about 1 pound more (without scope). The Fury penetrates a hardwood block 7.5 mm whereas Phantom penetrates same block only 5 mm (both back of skirt). (By comparison my new 0.177 cal 600 fps Crosman Pumpmaster Classic 1377C (with 8 pumps) penetrates same block zero, leaving a barely noticeable dent.) The Fury has no iron sights and has muzzle brake which seems to do nothing to reduce recoil that I can tell. The Fury box shows maximum game size "Varmint Raccoon" icon wheres Phantom box shows "Small Game Rabbit" icon. With 50% more penetration by Fury, that is believable. Thus, despite similar appearances, these 2 guns are different. (Have photos of all this.) Hope this adds to clarification (or confusion). BTW, in answer to a question above, the scope mount with 4 screws comes with Crosman Fury.