WOO HOO! My 500cc Recluse just left Will Piatts!!!
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WOO HOO! My 500cc Recluse just left Will Piatts!!!
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April 03, 2014, 09:51:30 PM »
Oh man is this going to be a long next few days
All he would say is 'the numbers are in the box' and 'the tune turned out great!' ............ this is like that old Heinz ketchup commercial .............. 'Anticipation..............'
I asked him to make me a custom valve and use PEEK as my poppet material and get as much FPE as physically possible out of her since I have 500cc's of air on tap.
Not sure what he did to it and no matter what my gun has been tuned by The Master so this is one happy Guy
Factory was 147 ft lbs
Stay tuned............will update as soon as delivered and she is topped up with air!!!
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Re: WOO HOO! My 500cc Recluse just left Will Piatts!!!
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April 03, 2014, 10:29:03 PM »
I hear your excitement. Staying tuned to the results myself. Are you expecting more, or about the same FPE as your current Recluse? If it's the mystery gun that was shooting the 127 grain boat-tails, then it would be around 235+ FPE
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April 03, 2014, 10:43:20 PM »
That's what I'm wondering...
My BST's weighed 136 gr average.
Either way it would be good
My 290cc Recluse is at 220 ft lbs, and I wanted the 500cc around 250 ft lbs.
Oh man.............if it WAS my gun that shot the BST's @ 1/2" @ 50 yards I guess I will be ordering yet another Recluse mold.
That would make 3
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Re: WOO HOO! My 500cc Recluse just left Will Piatts!!!
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April 11, 2014, 01:18:09 AM »
I got her back today!
Full power tune, trigger job and replaced the factory fill nipple with a male Foster quick connect fitting.
I didn'shoot her yet.
I didn't want to blow my gym routine, even though I was coming out of my skin wanting to go shoot her over the chrony!
The transfer port in the receiver side of the loading port is bore sized and appears to be so all the way in
The factory port was MAYBE .25 caliber.
Judging from his chrony session she is shooting 115+ fps faster with the JSB pellets @ 1033 fps.
He lists the 80 grain EPP/UG's at a high of 1041 fps, but he sent me some of his '80 grainers' and they weigh 93 grains.........LOL.........Will, if your reading this you have the 359-090A mold which drops them at 90+ grains.....it's not Bob's 359-080B EPP/UG scaled down 80 grain version I have. The scale doesn't lie
Anywho...........I am shooting her tomorrow afternoon as soon as I get off work.
I want to see how the HEAVIES perform!!! 138 grain HP's and 136 grain BST's!!!
Stay tuned - info will be posted by 18:00 Pacific Time.
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April 11, 2014, 03:51:05 PM »
If those are 90 grainers, that will put the FPE at about 224 with them. Probably more on tap with the heavier ones too. Look forward to the results.
Looks like we've got something in common: obsessive gym-itis. I was psyching myself up to heading down to the garage to face the squat rack squarely in the eye.
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April 11, 2014, 04:26:33 PM »
Hey, at 5' 7" @ 240#'s with zero fat I am not about to squander 8 years of busting my donkey - even to go shoot my beloved air guns!
It makes lugging around a 15.8 lb sniper rifle during deer season easy...my 10+ lb air guns are nice and light! LOL
I am bringing water filled milk jugs too for expansion testing. I have my 138 HP, 125 HP & 95 Pentagon HP.
Enjoy the squats - your top won't grow if you don't work the base just as hard!!!
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April 11, 2014, 10:00:56 PM »
Well, I'm disappointed in the heavy bullet numbers
138 gr HP's only averaged 740 fps for 167 ft lbs.
HOWEVER - My 81 grain Bob's EPP/UG's averaged 1060 fps for 202 ft lbs.
Maybe she's breaking in?
I might have to play with hammer springs
The efficiency is horrible at .66
My other Recluse (that was Wills personal shop gun) is hammering out those 138's and has an efficiency of 1.0
It's getting dark and it takes 120 strokes to get from 2400 psi back to 3000..........Sheesh! Can you say 'Shoebox and a Guppy?'
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Re: WOO HOO! My 500cc Recluse just left Will Piatts!!!
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Update? I just picked up a 500cc Recluse and I'm trying to decide if I'm sending her out or maybe just do some self tuning.
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April 13, 2014, 04:11:12 PM »
*** UPDATE ***
The issue was with my chronograph in direct sunlight - NOT the tune!
I just finished testing at the range with both Recluses.
Here are the results:
290cc Recluse
206 BAR
138 grain HP
767.5
791.2
806.6
818 (160 BAR)
810.7
795.1
140 BAR
Avg 798.2 fps @ 195.2 ft lbs
Peak 818 fps @ 205 ft lbs
I think the poppet may be extruding as it has lost a bit of power - my 500cc I requested PEEK for poppet material.
500cc Recluse
206 BAR
138 grain HP
833.8
856.9
856.5
852.5
827.5
155 BAR
Avg 845.4 fps @ 219 ft lbs
Peak 856.9 fps @ 225 ft lbs
It was well worth sending it to Will
***Edit***
I had a typo earlier - I put 290cc was 45 strokes back to 206 BAR & 500cc was 52 strokes back to 206 BAR...that was after 3 shots for each rifle prior to running the string. It works out to around 15'ish strokes per shot using my Hill Mk3.
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Re: WOO HOO! My 500cc Recluse just left Will Piatts!!!
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April 13, 2014, 04:14:26 PM »
that is smoking power
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April 13, 2014, 07:11:23 PM »
Oh Yes it is!
The efficiency worked out as follows:
290cc is .99 FPE/CI
500cc is .69 FPE/CI
I asked Will to Monster it up because I had 500cc's of air on board and he sure delivered!
I was griping about poor efficiency but who can argue with a gun that delivers 5 shots at 200 ft lbs Impact Velocity @ 50 yards?
I can always put a lighter hammer spring in and get the efficiency the 290cc has. That s nice when you are shooting lightweight bullets.
The heavies require air - period!
For those of you thinking of getting a 500cc Recluse for just shooting 77.62 grain JSB pellets you can't go wrong. The gun will still put out 147 ft lbs in stock trim.
One thing for sure is both of my Recluses like .356" bullets.
They also like a bullet with space between the driving bands and not a lot of bearing surface against the bore.
The closer the driving bands are to the base and the nose of the bullet the better.
Neither gun shoots lightweight long nosed bullets very well.
I tried some 95 grain Pentagon Hollow Points &105 grain Flat Points...don't waste your money - they shoot like cr@p. Fortunately I got em for free from giving someone a Recluse bolt handle they needed.
The 3 most accurate bullets in both of my guns are:
80 grain EPP/UG - Accurate mold # 359-080B
120 grain Mini Ball - Accurate mold # 36-120A
138 grain HP - custom cut Lee # 358-158RF - made a very large cavity hollow point by Erik at Hollowpoint Services then also shaved down the back as far as physically possible = 138 grains
If you want a smoking hollow point for a tuned gun I would order Accurate Mold # 36-125C and send it to Erik at Hollowpoint Services to be modified.
That should drop around 115 grains and give you almost 950 fps for devastating expansion!
My 138 HP's expand to .710" at impact velocities of 740 fps.
The factory JSB pellets are also wonderful critter gitters but they are $.17/each.
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