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RedFeather
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #20 on:
December 29, 2011, 07:56:46 PM »
That sounds like it is shooting to specs. Those old leather sealed guns were never power houses. Consider that the FWB124 at over 800fps was once considered big medicine. And no more of the ultralites! You break a part and good luck with that!
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HCAirgunner
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Re: Diana Model 27
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December 29, 2011, 08:42:11 PM »
I won't
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ac12
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Re: Diana Model 27
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December 29, 2011, 09:25:40 PM »
HCA
The "problem" is, sometimes one is all it takes...
Take care of your treasure.
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Mark 611
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #23 on:
December 29, 2011, 11:21:24 PM »
I think Vortek makes a custom synthetic piston seal replacement with the adaptor for those guns I think if your interested you might check Tom's site.
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Onebaddj
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #24 on:
December 30, 2011, 01:13:28 AM »
Thats an awesome find! Especially since it still shoots. The rws chamber oil will work on an old leather seald gun. Hold half way and put a couple drops in the chamber then slide the gun almost full cock aboit 10 times to spread the chamber lube. Then let it sit about a day and do it again. The will get the leather freshened up.
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Re: Diana Model 27
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December 30, 2011, 07:37:22 AM »
Quote from: Mark 611 on December 29, 2011, 11:21:24 PM
if your interested you might check Tom's site.
Who is Tom? (I am still relatively new here, only been posting for about a month and a half, don't know all the old-timers yet, lol
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And what's the URL for his website?
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Re: Diana Model 27
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December 30, 2011, 08:22:11 AM »
He's the owner of Vortek, Tom Gore.
http://vortekproducts.com/ourstore/
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HCAirgunner
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #27 on:
January 05, 2012, 02:52:55 PM »
Well, I took it to the range, despite the fact that I haven't yet filed the rear sight, just to get a general idea of its condition. I was shooting at a 25 yard [75 feet] target, and I figured that I'd be lucky to hit paper (much less the target rings!) at that distance.
But I wanted to see if it was generating enough power to even hurl the pellet that far.
BOY, WAS I SURPRISED!
Not only could I still use the sight well enough to hit the target rings, I was getting 1 to 1.5 inch groups!!
With the sight only partially functional, I was shooting high and to the right, no matter what I did to compensate for it, but I still managed to stay in the 4th and 5th rings, and once, I was able to compensate enough to score a bullseye!
I can't wait until I can get a mill file, and I am able to file the sight down enough to fit properly!!
I am so happy with this little gun, I can barely contain myself
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lizzie
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #28 on:
January 05, 2012, 05:52:02 PM »
That is SO cool! I love the old guns too.
I don't have any as old as your 27, but my 70's Winchester 435 (Diana 35) is a dream to shoot.
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RedFeather
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #29 on:
January 05, 2012, 06:13:21 PM »
Old as your 27 is, I seriously doubt any of the conversion kits will work. That's a pre-WWII 27 from the looks of it. You don't order piston seals for those, you make them out of leather. (Plenty of good how-to info on the web for when you need to do that.) Yes, those guns can shoot with the best of them, just not as hard. And the sights were made when they put real good iron sights on guns, not fiber-optic, trendy after thoughts. I'll bet the boy who shot it chewed tobacco, too. Well, not to get carried away with it, but you get the idea.
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HCAirgunner
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #30 on:
January 05, 2012, 07:44:53 PM »
I don't intend to replace anything on that gun, unless it stops working for some reason. If it *DOES* stop working, I have been told that the leather seals can be replaced with synthetic ones, but a spring to fit it might have to be custom cut to factory specs from another similar spring. But hopefully, neither of those steps will ever be necessary. I, for one, am counting on the matchless quality of old-school German engineering!
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Sam B in BR
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Re: Diana Model 27
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October 15, 2013, 01:54:04 AM »
Hey, all - I'm a noob to this forum, having run across it while looking for info on a Diana 27 I acquired a couple of years ago. Yep, a nice Diana 27, pre-war and in very good condition. Didn't know what I was getting for $25 - blind hawg found a nice acorn!
I posted this on the introduction forum, but because this thread is what led me to this forum I wanted to add a post about my good fortune.
Anyway, I live in Baton Rouge, LA, having grown up in the country in north Louisiana before going in the Air Force in 1973 at age 22. I'm a gun collector - have an 03 collector's license and a house full of firearms, including air/CO2 rifles and pistols. Got my first air rifle, a Benjamin 317, for Christmas when I was 11 or 12, and shot enough birds with it to fill the back of my truck level full. Still got the little pumper, and a few years ago had the guts replaced by a great guy in Arizona. It still shoots great.
Anyway, about the Diana 27 - a bud of mine's FIL had passed away some years ago, and he asked me to help him find buyers for his FIL's guns, some of them bring-backs from Japan after WWII, and some of them hunting rifles and shotguns. There was also this little Diana in the batch - I didn't know it from Jack, but I figured it would be fun to clean up and add to my stable. So I told him I'd give him $25 for it, figuring that it was just a moldy oldie that may or may not shoot.
Well, I took the stock off, cleaned the metal with Kano and some 0000 steel wool, then wiped some 44/40 blue on it. I put a coat of Tru-Oil on the stock, then put it all back together. Looks nice, with just enough small nicks in the wood to give it character. Shoots beautifully, too, although I had to make an extension post for the front sight and braze it on - gun was shooting WAY high, but now it's dead on. It can't compete with stuff like my Walther Talon or Benjamin Trail NP, but I don't expect it to. It's wonderful for rainy day plinking into a target trap down at the end of the hall (ain't got no ball and chain to shriek at me about such stuff!
).
So to get around to how I wound up here... I was googling for info on the Diana and, among articles and such, found the link to this thread. The minute I started reading it, I felt like the gentleman who who started the thread could have been talking about my very rifle. My 27 is identical to his, except that it came completely intact, sights and all. Mine also has the D.R.P.a. roll stamp on the left of the receiver, or I guess the "pump housing" would be the more correct term.
Here are some pics - first, the rifle
en toto
, then the D.R.P.a. stamp, and finally the front sight extension I made.
So after reading this thread, I'm thrilled that I lucked up on such a little prize. And like I said, it shoots good, too - real handy for keeping the feral critters out of the yard. It's not powerful enough to injure 'em, just to sting 'em and make 'em think twice about getting into the garbage can again.
Nice to find y'all and make your acquaintance - hope to be posting more from time to time!
Best Regards -
Sam in BR
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MarkinJHawkland
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #32 on:
October 16, 2013, 12:21:34 PM »
Sam,
Sounds like a nice find.
Regarding the rifle shooting high. It is usually a sign of a bent barrel. If the rifle is cocked and shot without closing the barrel it will slam upward and close violently. This results in an upwardly bent barrel and often breaks the stock. Sometimes the bend is difficult to see with the naked eye but if you hold the barrel against a flat surface like a glass table you may be able to tell.
It's not difficult to bend the barrel back down if you are careful and do a little searching on the subject.
I too own one of these D.R.P. stamped 27's though mine lacks the "a". I enjoy shooting it every once in a while and I wish I new its individual history. It must have been shot by many interesting folks along the way.
Mark N
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #33 on:
October 16, 2013, 02:47:16 PM »
John Groenwald at JG Airguns often has parts for older guns. You might try corresponding with him if there are parts you need. Pricey, but for what you paid for that gun, you can afford it.
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RedFeather
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #34 on:
October 16, 2013, 04:06:47 PM »
It's called the compression tube, although this type of gun is nothing more than a gloried pump when you boil it down. Get yourself some pure silicone oil and add a few drops down into the tube through the hole where the air comes out, AKA transfer port, and let it sit butt down for a day or two to rejuvenate the old leather piston seal. A couple of drops every few tins will keep her spitting. Aside from that, I would say just shoot and enjoy it. If you break a main spring, I'm sure someone can tell which modern spring will work. Also add some of that oil on the barrel seal. Yours has got to be leather and these compress flat and leak after many years. You can make a new seal from leather (some use boot laces) or your might find a decent o-ring which fits.
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Re: Diana Model 27
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Reply #35 on:
October 18, 2013, 11:23:07 AM »
Oh Wow, Hi there, Sam! Glad to make your acquaintance!
A little bit of news in this regard, the gun range where I shoot recently hired an EXCELLENT gunsmith, named Benny, who is originally from South Africa. He not only works on firearms, but airguns as well. It seems he was once a competition airgun shooter in Europe.
I brought the Diana 27 to him, just to see if he could take it apart, clean it, and lube it (if necessary.) He said the barrel looked bent, saying the same thing that MarkinJayhawkLand did about slamming the barrel, and offered to straighten it as well. I told him to go for it. He said he couldn't count the number of Diana barrels that he's straightened over the years.
If you'd like to see the posts (I think there are 3) that I have made on my blog about the Diana 27, you can click here:
http://thescientificairgunner.blogspot.com/search/label/DRPa
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