I shot a few through my Sumatra carbine yesterday just to get an idea of power/velocity. They also fall through the magazine and didn't group all that well at 15 yards. Bummer....I was hoping they'd be good in this gun. Also ordered some 48 grain hollow points and 49 grain flat nose from Hunters Supply. We'll see what they do.As some have stated before Kodiak/Barracuda's seem to shoot well. I've yet to put enough other types through the gun yet to get a good gauge on accuracy.