Having tear down and modified my BSAs and Evanixes I can tell you that BSA is much better gun in both design, build quality and QC. If you compare BSA to Air Arms they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Air Arms has a bit better QC and build quality but the barrel is very sensitive to knocks and POI shifts. Valve seals also tend to mush over time causing drop in power. BSA QC and build quality is not quite as good while it has a thick free floating hammer forged barrel. Have you considered HW100 or Vulcan? If you go BSA skip the Buccaneer, while it is BSA made it has POS Gamo trigger unit.
zandrew,Don't get so offended. lol. I'm not comparing any guns. I have learned not to go down that road due to people opinions can be tough and some find it hard to deal with. I personally don't get offend but many do. First of all, I love the lower priced guns. I work on guns and make them better. So the lower priced PCPs for me are gems. I stick to my comment about the hatsan trigger. It is not the greatest trigger out there and I considere it in the poor end. I completely agree with you about the disco trigger, but the mrod trigger is far better than the hatsan any day. But I will mention that the gen 1 is better than the gen 2 and this is all due to the placement of the hammer catch.I would say that if someone comes to me asking that they want to get a hatsan, mrod, AA or daystate. My recommendation will be for the later two. Obviously, it is not a budget issue. These guns are at different leagues. One last thing this post is about high end guns and not the lower ends guns. Daniel
I would choose the Daystate over the Air Arms although both are nice.What caliber are you getting? (25 is awesome in PCP)And what do you plan to use it for? (plinking, competition, hunting) And where are you going to shoot it? (is loudness or power an issue)Ray
Now the 2nd part, why is it that hatsan is a lower end gun? You can get a walnut stock if you like (yes not as nice daystate or AA). Too me price has nothing to do with upper or lower end gun. How it performs does. The at44 flat performs. Is he buying a gun to shoot or look at? I hate spending money on an item and then realizing I could have gotten just as good if not better experience from a more friendly price point. I am sure with daystate, fx, cricket, etc you get what you pay for. All at44 owners I know swear they have gotten MORE then they paid for.
QuoteNow the 2nd part, why is it that hatsan is a lower end gun? You can get a walnut stock if you like (yes not as nice daystate or AA). Too me price has nothing to do with upper or lower end gun. How it performs does. The at44 flat performs. Is he buying a gun to shoot or look at? I hate spending money on an item and then realizing I could have gotten just as good if not better experience from a more friendly price point. I am sure with daystate, fx, cricket, etc you get what you pay for. All at44 owners I know swear they have gotten MORE then they paid for.You have to handle and work on them to understand the difference. It is not just the stock. It is the fit, quality of machining, the action.....I good example is my custom disco. I have about $1200 in it. This gun can and will outperform many high end gun. Yes the base is a cheap disco but I turned it into a bench gun. Everything is relative. I spent all that money on my disco and it was well worth it for me. I love working on rifles. But If someone asks, I rather tell the to buy a higher end gun. And performance is all relative to the person. I like light match triggers, my disco (mrod) trigger is 4.5 ounces and my aa is 3.75 onces. As far a accuracy, If my guns give larger than .25 in groups at 40-50 yards I'm not satisfied. My disco and AA will do .177 to .25 groups consisntly if I do my part. One in 31fpe the other 12fpe.
Quote from: Rdsail on July 15, 2015, 03:53:58 PMQuoteNow the 2nd part, why is it that hatsan is a lower end gun? You can get a walnut stock if you like (yes not as nice daystate or AA). Too me price has nothing to do with upper or lower end gun. How it performs does. The at44 flat performs. Is he buying a gun to shoot or look at? I hate spending money on an item and then realizing I could have gotten just as good if not better experience from a more friendly price point. I am sure with daystate, fx, cricket, etc you get what you pay for. All at44 owners I know swear they have gotten MORE then they paid for.You have to handle and work on them to understand the difference. It is not just the stock. It is the fit, quality of machining, the action.....I good example is my custom disco. I have about $1200 in it. This gun can and will outperform many high end gun. Yes the base is a cheap disco but I turned it into a bench gun. Everything is relative. I spent all that money on my disco and it was well worth it for me. I love working on rifles. But If someone asks, I rather tell the to buy a higher end gun. And performance is all relative to the person. I like light match triggers, my disco (mrod) trigger is 4.5 ounces and my aa is 3.75 onces. As far a accuracy, If my guns give larger than .25 in groups at 40-50 yards I'm not satisfied. My disco and AA will do .177 to .25 groups consisntly if I do my part. One in 31fpe the other 12fpe. I like a smooth, light, predictable trigger. Power, not so much. Only as it relates to accuracy. I'm not killing things around here, so fpe is not a concern. I'd rather shoot than tinker, so a gun with minimal work to get what I want from it is a must. I'm not a gearhead in the least.
I agree. I would go with the AA or bsa r10. For me the gun I shot the most is my AA Mpr ft 177
Hey Guys,Right now, if I ever buy another PCP, it's either going to be an (.177) AA S510 FAC with Walnut stock or the Evanix Rainstorm II.The AA is likely finished much nicer and has a better stock, but what else makes the AA cost $500 more?I hands down like the AA better from a looks point of view, but $500 is a big difference Kirk
Hey Guys,Right now, if I ever buy another PCP, it's either going to be an (.177) AA S510 FAC with Walnut stock or the Evanix Rainstorm II.The AA is likely finished much nicer and has a better stock, but what else makes the AA cost $500 more?I hands down like the AA better from a looks point of view, but $500 is a big difference KirkOwning a Rainstorm and an AA 410, and a Hatsan AT44, and a Marauder in .22 caliber ..... of the 4 HANDS DOWN the best quality is a AA rifle. The Evanix rainstorn looks great and feels really good but lacks the fit and finish with parts availability nearly non existent !! Service and parts after the sale SHOULD weigh heavy if you plan on keeping rifle for many years to come.In order of current and likely future parts / service ease best to worst ( IMO ) is as follows.Crosman M-rod Air Arms 400/500Hatsan AT modelsEvanix All models
My Condor is quite a gun. But....I am thinking it isn't a good fit for me. I really would like a repeater with a detachable multishot magazine. PCP lends itself well to faster shooting, not having the cool down issues of CO2 between shots. I also would like to have a handsome wood stock. Soooo....I am thinking of selling my Condor to fund the purchase of a rifle that fits my desires better.Having owned an Air Arms TX200 before, I am impressed with the fit and finish of their guns. That puts the S510 into my crosshairs. If I can get enough for the Condor (which is far from a stock gun), that will put the rifle within range. I see they offer it in walnut, which I know is a very nice stock indeed. The AA definitely fits my requirements and sits at the top of my list.Right along side the S510 I would place the Daystate Regal. I haven't done a side by side comparison yet. Which do you who own or have owned either gun prefer and why? Any other guns in that price range that I should consider? I would consider rifles in lower price ranges if it is a good gun. BSA and Evanix come to mind.
Take a look at the HW 100 FSB. Accurate out of the box, great trigger, quiet, and a 14 shot clip in 177. The gun is also regulated. Excellent finish on the metal, and beautiful walnut stock My 177 was shooting 1056 fps from the factory. After adjusting the regulator, and hammer I'm shooting 905 fps, at 18.85 fpe for 62 shots. I think this gun is overlooked a lot. Tom