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Title: New Nosler pellets
Post by: arthury on January 17, 2012, 11:33:38 AM
Just saw this early this morning ...

http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14002 (http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14002)

Coming soon to a theater near you!
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: amb5500c on January 17, 2012, 11:37:26 AM
Those look great. I'd like to see some in 22 cal.
Richard
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: stevemag on January 17, 2012, 12:28:15 PM
they come in .22 as well
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Millipede on January 18, 2012, 02:03:22 AM
i dont understand the point of having a plastic tip on it. can someone please explain?
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Lambchops on January 18, 2012, 02:17:53 AM
No, the plastic is the skirt. The actual pellet is a hard alloy.
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: LAalex on January 18, 2012, 02:24:44 AM
I believe the plastic tip is to give you the in-flight ballistic properties of a roundnose but the terminal ballistics of a hollowpoint. 

Scotty
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: BenjiHunter on January 18, 2012, 02:36:25 AM
I believe the plastic tip is to give you the in-flight ballistic properties of a roundnose but the terminal ballistics of a hollowpoint. 

Scotty
Exactly.
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: crowpopper on January 18, 2012, 03:15:20 AM
the plastic tip allows for better flight and I believe it will aid in expansion by pushing back into the pellet allowing it to open up more on impact. Lambchops the pellets your thinking of are the lead free  these ones are  this
http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14001 (http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14001)
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: sawtoothscream on January 18, 2012, 03:32:03 AM
if it comes in .22 ill give it a try.  would have to be amazing for me to stop hunting with the predator pellets though.  those things shoot awsome and cause damage
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Lambchops on January 18, 2012, 05:42:24 AM
the plastic tip allows for better flight and I believe it will aid in expansion by pushing back into the pellet allowing it to open up more on impact. Lambchops the pellets your thinking of are the lead free  these ones are  this
http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14001 (http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14001)

Thanks, my bad for giving wrong info haha! On another note, a plastic tip sounds like it really could work well.
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: BmaS on January 18, 2012, 08:18:44 AM
I hope they are not too heavy for springer use.

I'd be interested to see results of some impact tests.
I recently discovered that the tip of a Polymag separates just beyond the point of impact.
If the Nosler will indeed aid in expansion, I'd definitely use them, provided they aren't too heavy.
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: uncle paulie on January 18, 2012, 08:27:10 AM
Can't wait to see what those will cost...... :'( :'( :'(

pv
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Norm_m on January 18, 2012, 08:31:58 AM
Me to PV but I can just imagine they will not be something you would use everyday of the week to punch paper.

Norm
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Tarheel on January 18, 2012, 02:27:24 PM
I hope they are not too heavy for springer use.

Nothing that a 180 bar Gas Ram swap couldn't "cure" . . . MUWAHAHAHA ! ! !

LOL !

Dave
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: rsterne on January 18, 2012, 05:38:37 PM
According to a review on the Crosman website on the 145 gr. Nosler there was NO expansion.... so regardless of why the tip is there, is doesn't appear to be helping with that....

Bob
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Tarheel on January 18, 2012, 06:34:10 PM
According to a review on the Crosman website on the 145 gr. Nosler there was NO expansion.... so regardless of why the tip is there, is doesn't appear to be helping with that....

Bob

Well, if it's more aerodynamic, more retained velocity, flatter trajectory, and highly accurate . . .

Dave
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: aznboi3644 on January 18, 2012, 07:13:02 PM
what can a plastic round tip do that a lead round tip can't if expansion is irrelevant
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: rsterne on January 18, 2012, 08:18:30 PM
^X2

Bob
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Rescue35 on January 18, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
(http://www.crosman.com/img/products/full/14001.jpg)

Sweet .22 and .25. Wonder what the price will be.
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Brewerja on January 18, 2012, 08:32:47 PM
I believe that, the lead they are using in their current prototypes is either too hard, or the pellet isnt getting enough velocity to "smush" the plastic tip into the rest of the projectile and cause massive deformation of the rest of the lead. The entire purpose of the "ballistic tip" was,... to "give" a little while aiding in initial penetration, then allowing the rest of the pellet to fold up on impact and turn into a sharp lead pancake. If these pellets are not deforming at all, then they are not doing their job. I too would much rather prefer something that is, as accurate, and as reliable, but cheaper then the fancy plastic tipped noslers. Perhaps they will change the formula in the .22 and .25 calibers since we are not putting out .38 special pistol ammo muzzle energy with out 22's and 25's. i am willing to be they if they softened up the pellets a bit with a higher lead content and less antimony, tin, or other alloy junk, these babys will out preform predators on ballistic coefficients alone! we will ahve to wait and see. i was hoping to get my hands on some at the shot show to "test out" for them, haha, no such luck.
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Rico14 on January 18, 2012, 08:45:57 PM
This looks like Crosman's version of the Predator. As you may or may not know, Predator has a patent on their design so Crosman had to do come up with something different. Predator's are deadly and the tip usually comes off on impact, allow the pellet to mushroom. It will be interesting to see the pricing on the Crosman pellets. These will have to be pretty special to make me switch from Predators
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: aack73 on January 18, 2012, 09:00:53 PM
I believe the plastic tip is to give you the in-flight ballistic properties of a roundnose but the terminal ballistics of a hollowpoint. 

Scotty

+1 ;D those look great. maybe they will shoot good and not cost a fortune. ;D
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Tarheel on January 18, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
what can a plastic round tip do that a lead round tip can't if expansion is irrelevant

Well, the lightweight plastic cap could reduce aerodynamic drag without greatly increasing the overall weight of the pellet, as a lead tip would do .

Dave
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on January 18, 2012, 11:17:38 PM
If they cost and perform like the Nosler .357,...than it's gonna be an other big flop
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Rescue35 on January 19, 2012, 11:08:49 AM
If they cost and perform like the Nosler .357,...than it's gonna be an other big flop

It also depends on if Wal-Mart or other chain stores start carrying them. I've seen predators at Gander Mtn and Bass pro lately. Hopefully that is a trend that will continue.
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: rsterne on January 19, 2012, 12:47:28 PM
Quote
Well, the lightweight plastic cap could reduce aerodynamic drag without greatly increasing the overall weight of the pellet, as a lead tip would do .
While true, the Sectional Density, and hence the Ballistics Coefficient, is proportional to the weight for a given shape.... An all lead version might start with a slightly lower velocity (note, the plastic is a small portion of the weight, so lead won't "greatly increase the weight").... but it would be less affected by crosswinds at longer ranges....

If lightweight pellets were the answer, we'd all be shooting PBAs.... They would be available in 20 gr. in .22 cal shaped like rifle bullets....

Bob
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Air Rifle Hunter on January 19, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
 It's just my opinion, but as mentioned by someone else, if these are anything like the .357 version I don't think they will be very effective. From the reports I've read, the .357 version does not deform after impact and usually passes through like most other standard pellets. My bet is that these will be expensive for the quantity you get and will not perform as well as the Polymags. But that's just my take on it. ;)
Title: Re: New Nosler pellets
Post by: Bowguy on January 19, 2012, 10:26:23 PM
Apples to oranges but I've used nosler bullets for years in powder burners. Other than their partation bullets they carry similar tips. Expansion can be unbelievable.