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Title: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Berky on February 27, 2013, 09:10:06 PM
I would imagine convicted felons can still possess pellet guns? It's not considered a firearm. Whats your take on this topic?
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Gertrude on February 27, 2013, 09:11:10 PM
yes they can

Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: AmericanPsycho on February 27, 2013, 09:21:45 PM
I would imagine convicted felons can still possess pellet guns? It's not considered a firearm. Whats your take on this topic?

It depends. While air guns aren't considered firearms under federal law, some states do. For example, in Michigan an air gun with an overall length of less then 30 inches and rifled barrel is considered a firearm.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Berky on February 27, 2013, 09:36:24 PM
Specifically the state of Pa
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: xsquad on February 27, 2013, 09:41:41 PM
different states different laws ln ms. felons are allowed pellet guns
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: lurch420gam on February 28, 2013, 02:53:38 PM
I am, unfortunately, a felon. And yes, I do own airguns. I know it's perfectly legal here in Ohio, and was in Texas as well.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: blind dog on February 28, 2013, 03:55:20 PM
It depends on the state. Federally, yes, a felon can own them. Also, some states are better than others in getting those rights restored/expunged. Depends on the crime and if you've been clean for a long time, etc. But I think you have to hire a lawyer to petititon the court or something.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: thekid on February 28, 2013, 04:34:08 PM
Here in Canada,
If a crime was permitted where a firearm was used or Violent crime, then a firearms ban placed on that person, the only airgun that could be purchased, are the sub 500fps models.
All other airguns with velocities higher then 500 fps (even 501fps) require a P.A.L ( Firearms license), the felon would not have one of these, as it would have been revoked.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: ben walker on February 28, 2013, 05:17:28 PM
I am, unfortunately, a felon. And yes, I do own airguns. I know it's perfectly legal here in Ohio, and was in Texas as well.
then you can own them in missouri as well . In mo unless laws changed  a felon can posses a air rifle or cap fired back powder  .
Always send a letter to the state Attorney generals office for what the laws are. Do not count on someone like myself on the net.

Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: mtsheron70 on February 28, 2013, 05:58:44 PM
The funny thing is if you ever look at certain felonies you laugh and wonder why they are considered such.  Would kind of not so good to get hit with one of those charges and then never be able to own a real gun! 

But I guess it is easier for the law makers to envelope all then pull out certain ones to apply to gun ownership.

I knew Cecil Whiteside and saw his some 2000 airgun collection in person and shot alot with him....................he too was a felon from the 70's and one of those crazy laws that puts you in that same boat and could only own airguns!

He had a very impressive collection to say the least!
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Dockey 454 on February 28, 2013, 07:22:39 PM
In NJ you couldn't own a sling shot.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Brewerja on February 28, 2013, 07:49:16 PM
lol, i thought in NJ, slingshots arent allowed anyway? Maybe they changed the law? I know when i lived there, 1995 to 2003, my dad use to get our bb guns and slingshots from deleware when we were kids. we had a big backyard and use to have a blast back there. I actully think i remember a sticker on my wooden slingshot that said not for sale in a bunch of states (including NJ) and i use to think i was awesome cause i had one. lol
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on February 28, 2013, 08:03:11 PM
lol, i thought in NJ, slingshots arent allowed anyway? Maybe they changed the law? I know when i lived there, 1995 to 2003, my dad use to get our bb guns and slingshots from deleware when we were kids. we had a big backyard and use to have a blast back there. I actully think i remember a sticker on my wooden slingshot that said not for sale in a bunch of states (including NJ) and i use to think i was awesome cause i had one. lol

You were awesome because you had one and the others did not...stay awesome my friend.

Joe
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Dockey 454 on February 28, 2013, 08:12:46 PM
lol, i thought in NJ, slingshots arent allowed anyway? Maybe they changed the law? I know when i lived there, 1995 to 2003, my dad use to get our bb guns and slingshots from deleware when we were kids. we had a big backyard and use to have a blast back there. I actully think i remember a sticker on my wooden slingshot that said not for sale in a bunch of states (including NJ) and i use to think i was awesome cause i had one. lol

I'm still picking up marbles from around the property, at least a half dozen a year. Keeping them in a jar. Wife said I will soon have all my marbles back.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: blind dog on February 28, 2013, 08:22:19 PM
The funny thing is if you ever look at certain felonies you laugh and wonder why they are considered such.
No kidding. Everything is a felony nowadays. Performing electrical work for hire without a state lecense is a felony where I live. Yeah, real dangerous people.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: grumpy on February 28, 2013, 09:18:24 PM
Ya got that one backwards. Its under 30" is considered a firearm.

I would imagine convicted felons can still possess pellet guns? It's not considered a firearm. Whats your take on this topic?

It depends. While air guns aren't considered firearms under federal law, some states do. For example, in Michigan an air gun with an overall length of less then 30 inches and rifled barrel is considered a firearm.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: mcc1961 on February 28, 2013, 09:41:45 PM
If you have been commited to a mental facility by anyone other than yourself you can never own a firearm again.You can own a pellet rifle in the state of NC though.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: AmericanPsycho on February 28, 2013, 10:07:24 PM
If you have been commited to a mental facility by anyone other than yourself you can never own a firearm again.You can own a pellet rifle in the state of NC though.

That's a myth. You must go before a Judge for it to count against you. Read the fine print. A 72-hour hold doesn't qualify.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: AmericanPsycho on February 28, 2013, 10:10:00 PM
Ya got that one backwards. Its under 30" is considered a firearm.

I would imagine convicted felons can still possess pellet guns? It's not considered a firearm. Whats your take on this topic?

It depends. While air guns aren't considered firearms under federal law, some states do. For example, in Michigan an air gun with an overall length of less then 30 inches and rifled barrel is considered a firearm.

I said under 30 inches, how am I wrong?
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: aack73 on February 28, 2013, 10:21:10 PM
it's not a firearm. shouldn't be considered as such in my opinion. ;D if a felon's possession of an airgun posses a threat to society, he shouldn't even be walking free. if they are free and walking around with the rest of us, they should be allowed to have an airgun. why not? ;D

i know some that cant own firearms but has pellet guns. i think they should take a real world approach at this one myself. some felons are far from a danger to society and should be allowed firearms even. just my .02.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 01, 2013, 07:22:40 AM
In NY, a sling shot is an assault weapon (pistol grip)!  ;)
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: grumpy on March 01, 2013, 08:34:13 AM
Sorry, I misread that.

Ya got that one backwards. Its under 30" is considered a firearm.

I would imagine convicted felons can still possess pellet guns? It's not considered a firearm. Whats your take on this topic?

It depends. While air guns aren't considered firearms under federal law, some states do. For example, in Michigan an air gun with an overall length of less then 30 inches and rifled barrel is considered a firearm.

I said under 30 inches, how am I wrong?
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: badredbird on March 01, 2013, 11:14:18 PM
lol in nj a fork is a deadly weapon   yes different states have different laws on what constitutes a firearm    i had a cousin who had a domestic issue so he was in same boa as a feon no pbs    he was one who got me into airguns in depth   tho he did get a lawyer and get a waiver to have hunting rifles and was successfull   but i would gather this would easier in some states than in others  and i agre with mt sheron    some felonies are silly   my dad was law enforcement and he considered alot of stuff bs  like mr whiteside he probably got a moonshining rap or something like that   it is best to check locally tho  dont be afraid to do that   just because your a felon doesnt mean youre devoid of all rights lol   in my youth i could have very easily become a felon myself   good luck
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: bradyman1 on March 01, 2013, 11:19:21 PM
The funny thing is if you ever look at certain felonies you laugh and wonder why they are considered such.
No kidding. Everything is a felony nowadays. Performing electrical work for hire without a state lecense is a felony where I live. Yeah, real dangerous people.

I  am a master electrician and let me tell you, those people are much, much more dangerous than you think! :)
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: AmericanPsycho on March 01, 2013, 11:26:41 PM
Sorry, I misread that.

Ya got that one backwards. Its under 30" is considered a firearm.

I would imagine convicted felons can still possess pellet guns? It's not considered a firearm. Whats your take on this topic?

It depends. While air guns aren't considered firearms under federal law, some states do. For example, in Michigan an air gun with an overall length of less then 30 inches and rifled barrel is considered a firearm.

I said under 30 inches, how am I wrong?

No need to beat yourself up.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Booger on March 02, 2013, 12:02:38 PM
It depends on the state. Federally, yes, a felon can own them. Also, some states are better than others in getting those rights restored/expunged. Depends on the crime and if you've been clean for a long time, etc. But I think you have to hire a lawyer to petititon the court or something.

While in Texas a felon can own an air gun, it is much harder to get expunged even for a non violent felony. Mine was over 30 years ago and I am still paying the price. It would cost $1000's of dollars to get it expunged, and the time I have left on this earth is not worth it. I had rather feed my family than waste the cash just to own a firearm.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: badredbird on March 02, 2013, 01:01:07 PM
i will tell you this  im not a felon  hae pbs but ive been slowly selling them off moreso recently as the price of guns is up a good market for sellers   and heres why   i like the idea of using air      these airguns are accurate    some are loud but not that reverberating crack  i like the challenge of an airgun   also  they may incurr more start up costs like pcps but in long run i cast my own and am shooting much cheaper than  with pbs    also has anyone looked for ammo lately im shooting while the guy who cant find ammo thats outrageously expensive     cant   also it brings me to a place like this   where information is shared   and there are many more than decent innovative people and my oint is to those of you who cant posess pbs     in my eyes you aint missing too much
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: dryanw on March 02, 2013, 01:28:59 PM
In Illlinois, I can't get a foid card because I've been hospitalized for anxiety....Although I can't say I disagree with that law as the same rule applies to people with much more severe mental illness. Its probably for the better. I can have a doctor write a note saying I'm no threat to anybody or myself, but its just not worth it. I enjoy my airguns.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Sqrl Klr on March 02, 2013, 01:49:52 PM
The funny thing is if you ever look at certain felonies you laugh and wonder why they are considered such.
No kidding. Everything is a felony nowadays. Performing electrical work for hire without a state lecense is a felony where I live. Yeah, real dangerous people.

I  am a master electrician and let me tell you, those people are much, much more dangerous than you think! :)


I'm no electrician but I know that's right after I watched Holmes On Homes for years and saw all the dangerous wiring that electricians rigged up in people's homes. It's a wonder the wiring and connections didn't burn the homes down or electrocute the owners. More good people are needed in the industry who are willing to do the job right that's for certain.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: badredbird on March 02, 2013, 01:53:50 PM
what s black crispyand crunchy and hangs from a chandelier      ..... a bad electrician    i think just because you have a felony     non violent felons the right to own a gun should be determined on an individual basis   and as ive read money may be an impediment to getting that right back   shouldnt be determined on your ability to pay     but whether your fit to have one   but like i said id rather have airguns  anyhow   
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: crazy on August 30, 2014, 04:18:47 PM
I was convicted of a Federal felony about 10 years ago, for weed.   I have been told that I can't even have a muzzleloader, even though in NC felons can.  Seems I have to follow the Federal rules.      Does anyone know if I could have an airgun?    I am interested in deer hunting with one.   I had never heard of airguns over 22 caliber before seeing it on a tv show the other day.

thanx in advance.                                                                                CRAZY
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Booger on August 30, 2014, 04:48:06 PM
I recently found out in the great state of Texas a felon my posses a firearm after 5 years of completed probation, but it must remain on his property, but he can not legally purchase said firearm (I was told this by a county sheriff). They have this law basically personal protection. Now you can apply to have your felony expunged, but that will cost 1000s of dollars and their is no guarantee that it will be expunged.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Privateer on August 30, 2014, 05:11:31 PM
In Ohio. A Felon can own an Air Gun as it's not a firearm under Federal nor State Laws.
Michigan is a bit different but if convicted in Ohio as a Felon and your in Michigan? Michigan goes by the State you were convicted in.
NO! I have no Felony Convictions but I know alot of people that do and I researched a bit for them.
Seems that can't use Google any better then they can stay outta trouble.
 ???

Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: OleTomCat on August 30, 2014, 07:18:22 PM
The funny thing is if you ever look at certain felonies you laugh and wonder why they are considered such.
No kidding. Everything is a felony nowadays. Performing electrical work for hire without a state lecense is a felony where I live. Yeah, real dangerous people.

I  am a master electrician and let me tell you, those people are much, much more dangerous than you think! :)

X2, a 25 year Industrial Electrician and I cringe at some of the work I see done today by home owners and other 'electricians'.....

Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Charles Outdoors on August 31, 2014, 04:08:06 AM
I have mentioned airguns to 2 friends that are felons in Texas. They were both told they could not own anything that shoots a projectile by their probation officers. They are both off probation but still believe they can't even have an air soft gun.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Booger on August 31, 2014, 07:44:10 AM
I have mentioned airguns to 2 friends that are felons in Texas. They were both told they could not own anything that shoots a projectile by their probation officers. They are both off probation but still believe they can't even have an air soft gun.

They were told wrong. Clearly states firearms, but then again we had a thread about border crossing with air rifles where they got it wrong. :)
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Geoff on August 31, 2014, 11:02:03 AM
I was just talking to a friend last night about this.  He said he could own a muzzle loader but not a shotgun or rifle.   I suggested a pellet gun.  Told him there were some with enough FPE to take down a person breaking into his house.  He may look into it to check Indiana laws.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Booger on August 31, 2014, 11:05:57 AM
I was just talking to a friend last night about this.  He said he could own a muzzle loader but not a shotgun or rifle.   I suggested a pellet gun.  Told him there were some with enough FPE to take down a person breaking into his house.  He may look into it to check Indiana laws.

I would not suggest an air rifle/gun for home defense. Maybe for critters messing with live stock. JMHO
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: jolobolo on September 02, 2014, 10:14:45 PM
In UK this is the law it's a bit simpler if the law of the land is just that, it must get confusing when the individual states have their own laws as well as national laws.
Section 21 Possession of a firearm by persons previously convicted of crime.
Prosecutors should check to see if a defendant commits an offence under section 21 Firearms Act 1968 whenever a firearm or ammunition is involved. A person commits such an offence if:

He has possession, of any class of Firearm (except imitations and deactivated weapons), or any ammunition, including shot gun and air weapon ammunition. From 14 July 2014, prohibited persons will commit an offence if they are in possession of antique firearm, irrespective of whether it is possessed as a curiosity or an ornament.
At the time of possession has been previously convicted of any offence and was sentenced to a term of imprisonment (including detention in a Youth Offender Institute (YOI) and Detention and Training Order (DTO).
If the sentence was 3 years or more the prohibition is for life.
If between 3 months and 3 years and is in possession within 5 years of release.
This section does not apply to those sentenced to a Hospital Order.
(From 14 July 2014) a person who is sentenced to a period of imprisonment of 3 months or more whose sentence is suspended is prohibited for a period of 5 years commencing on the second day after the sentence was imposed. (Persons in possession of a firearm on a certificate on 14 July 2014 are entitled to continue to hold the firearm until the period of the certificate expires)
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Rico14 on September 03, 2014, 12:46:38 AM
I have mentioned airguns to 2 friends that are felons in Texas. They were both told they could not own anything that shoots a projectile by their probation officers. They are both off probation but still believe they can't even have an air soft gun.

Have them check again. I'm not sure what state he's in, but have you watched Dog, The Bounty Hunter? He carries and air soft gun because he is a felon and can't have a weapon
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: jhm757 on September 03, 2014, 11:43:32 AM
I was convicted of a Federal felony about 10 years ago, for weed.   I have been told that I can't even have a muzzleloader, even though in NC felons can.  Seems I have to follow the Federal rules.      Does anyone know if I could have an airgun?    I am interested in deer hunting with one.   I had never heard of airguns over 22 caliber before seeing it on a tv show the other day.

thanx in advance.                                                                                CRAZY

I believe that under federal law a muzzleloader is NOT considered a firearm, so you should be able to possess and hunt with one, check the law.

Jim - jhm757
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: chuckinohio on September 03, 2014, 12:12:25 PM
have you watched Dog, The Bounty Hunter?

  Unfortuantely yes, I watched for 10 minutes or so..................  :o 
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: westtexasrancher on September 08, 2014, 06:31:29 PM
They can own muzzleloaders too.


As many adults in the country that got a felony charge on freaking marijuana, it's ridiculous. Stupid drug laws screw up people's lives. Yeag they shouldn't have done it, but they could be a completely different guy than they were at 18.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: Booger on September 08, 2014, 06:40:48 PM
They can own muzzleloaders too.


As many adults in the country that got a felony charge on freaking marijuana, it's ridiculous. Stupid drug laws screw up people's lives. Yeag they shouldn't have done it, but they could be a completely different guy than they were at 18.

Some people screw up and get caught, others don't. A lot of my friends have passed since I was young. More friends have died from drinking than smoking. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Air Guns and Felons
Post by: D14Jeff on September 09, 2014, 04:32:47 AM
there's only two kinds of people ..... those that got caught and those that didn't ..... everybody has done something .