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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => American/U.S. Air Gun Gates => Crosman-Benjamin Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: arthury on January 17, 2012, 11:33:38 AM
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Just saw this early this morning ...
http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14002 (http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14002)
Coming soon to a theater near you!
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Those look great. I'd like to see some in 22 cal.
Richard
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they come in .22 as well
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i dont understand the point of having a plastic tip on it. can someone please explain?
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No, the plastic is the skirt. The actual pellet is a hard alloy.
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I believe the plastic tip is to give you the in-flight ballistic properties of a roundnose but the terminal ballistics of a hollowpoint.
Scotty
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I believe the plastic tip is to give you the in-flight ballistic properties of a roundnose but the terminal ballistics of a hollowpoint.
Scotty
Exactly.
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the plastic tip allows for better flight and I believe it will aid in expansion by pushing back into the pellet allowing it to open up more on impact. Lambchops the pellets your thinking of are the lead free these ones are this
http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14001 (http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14001)
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if it comes in .22 ill give it a try. would have to be amazing for me to stop hunting with the predator pellets though. those things shoot awsome and cause damage
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the plastic tip allows for better flight and I believe it will aid in expansion by pushing back into the pellet allowing it to open up more on impact. Lambchops the pellets your thinking of are the lead free these ones are this
http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14001 (http://www.crosman.com/gear/ammo/14001)
Thanks, my bad for giving wrong info haha! On another note, a plastic tip sounds like it really could work well.
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I hope they are not too heavy for springer use.
I'd be interested to see results of some impact tests.
I recently discovered that the tip of a Polymag separates just beyond the point of impact.
If the Nosler will indeed aid in expansion, I'd definitely use them, provided they aren't too heavy.
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Can't wait to see what those will cost...... :'( :'( :'(
pv
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Me to PV but I can just imagine they will not be something you would use everyday of the week to punch paper.
Norm
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I hope they are not too heavy for springer use.
Nothing that a 180 bar Gas Ram swap couldn't "cure" . . . MUWAHAHAHA ! ! !
LOL !
Dave
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According to a review on the Crosman website on the 145 gr. Nosler there was NO expansion.... so regardless of why the tip is there, is doesn't appear to be helping with that....
Bob
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According to a review on the Crosman website on the 145 gr. Nosler there was NO expansion.... so regardless of why the tip is there, is doesn't appear to be helping with that....
Bob
Well, if it's more aerodynamic, more retained velocity, flatter trajectory, and highly accurate . . .
Dave
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what can a plastic round tip do that a lead round tip can't if expansion is irrelevant
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^X2
Bob
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(http://www.crosman.com/img/products/full/14001.jpg)
Sweet .22 and .25. Wonder what the price will be.
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I believe that, the lead they are using in their current prototypes is either too hard, or the pellet isnt getting enough velocity to "smush" the plastic tip into the rest of the projectile and cause massive deformation of the rest of the lead. The entire purpose of the "ballistic tip" was,... to "give" a little while aiding in initial penetration, then allowing the rest of the pellet to fold up on impact and turn into a sharp lead pancake. If these pellets are not deforming at all, then they are not doing their job. I too would much rather prefer something that is, as accurate, and as reliable, but cheaper then the fancy plastic tipped noslers. Perhaps they will change the formula in the .22 and .25 calibers since we are not putting out .38 special pistol ammo muzzle energy with out 22's and 25's. i am willing to be they if they softened up the pellets a bit with a higher lead content and less antimony, tin, or other alloy junk, these babys will out preform predators on ballistic coefficients alone! we will ahve to wait and see. i was hoping to get my hands on some at the shot show to "test out" for them, haha, no such luck.
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This looks like Crosman's version of the Predator. As you may or may not know, Predator has a patent on their design so Crosman had to do come up with something different. Predator's are deadly and the tip usually comes off on impact, allow the pellet to mushroom. It will be interesting to see the pricing on the Crosman pellets. These will have to be pretty special to make me switch from Predators
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I believe the plastic tip is to give you the in-flight ballistic properties of a roundnose but the terminal ballistics of a hollowpoint.
Scotty
+1 ;D those look great. maybe they will shoot good and not cost a fortune. ;D
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what can a plastic round tip do that a lead round tip can't if expansion is irrelevant
Well, the lightweight plastic cap could reduce aerodynamic drag without greatly increasing the overall weight of the pellet, as a lead tip would do .
Dave
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If they cost and perform like the Nosler .357,...than it's gonna be an other big flop
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If they cost and perform like the Nosler .357,...than it's gonna be an other big flop
It also depends on if Wal-Mart or other chain stores start carrying them. I've seen predators at Gander Mtn and Bass pro lately. Hopefully that is a trend that will continue.
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Well, the lightweight plastic cap could reduce aerodynamic drag without greatly increasing the overall weight of the pellet, as a lead tip would do .
While true, the Sectional Density, and hence the Ballistics Coefficient, is proportional to the weight for a given shape.... An all lead version might start with a slightly lower velocity (note, the plastic is a small portion of the weight, so lead won't "greatly increase the weight").... but it would be less affected by crosswinds at longer ranges....
If lightweight pellets were the answer, we'd all be shooting PBAs.... They would be available in 20 gr. in .22 cal shaped like rifle bullets....
Bob
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It's just my opinion, but as mentioned by someone else, if these are anything like the .357 version I don't think they will be very effective. From the reports I've read, the .357 version does not deform after impact and usually passes through like most other standard pellets. My bet is that these will be expensive for the quantity you get and will not perform as well as the Polymags. But that's just my take on it. ;)
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Apples to oranges but I've used nosler bullets for years in powder burners. Other than their partation bullets they carry similar tips. Expansion can be unbelievable.