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Title: QB-57
Post by: Deej on August 18, 2012, 02:18:12 PM
Havent been on in a while,working on the road,and my laptop died.picked up a QB 57 from archer before I hit the road,have been rebuilding it on motel kitchen tables.takes up a lot less trunk space than a NP22 in a case big enough to fit leapers 4x16.I have modded the snot out of this thing,will post pics when I figure out how on new laptop.But it looks bitchin,and I am getting 5 shot cloverleafs at 10 meters.every time.but so far,it only likes RWS Miesterkuglens.best inexpensive AG I ever bought,I look at chinese guns as more of a kit than a finished product.working on it has kept me sane in these small towns with nothing to do but wait to go to work.Thank God I found This hobby(obsession).Now I am trying to explain to my woman at home how I spent  nearly 500 bucks on a BB gun (Drozd w/ mods)had to do something with all that money I saved on the QB ;D  QB57's rock.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: ZipSnipe on August 18, 2012, 03:20:14 PM
Kool lets see some pics!!!
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: longislandhunter on August 18, 2012, 04:07:30 PM
Those 57's are neat little guns.  I have 2 (.177 and .22) and both of them are tack drivers out to 25 yards.  They are one of my favorite guns to take rabbit hunting in thick brush and briars and each one has put rabbit meat in the freezer  :)

Keep us up to date on your progress with the rifle.   

Jeff
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Deej on August 19, 2012, 01:59:02 PM
Yeah,I love mine. so .much less work to shoot than my big Benji,and every time I open the case and screw it together I feel like the S.P.E.C.T.R. bad guy in a James Bond movie ;D...priceless
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: PaperPunch1 on August 21, 2012, 09:21:28 PM
2X the Love! Mine's the .22
PaperPunch1
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Rasmuth on August 29, 2012, 12:55:09 PM
love mine too...a fun gun to shoot.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: longdx on August 29, 2012, 03:03:15 PM
I am glad to see the love for this gun. This is a definite buy for me in the near future.

Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: TleVta on November 03, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
every time I open the case and screw it together I feel like the S.P.E.C.T.R. bad guy in a James Bond movie

After reading your latest thread I started searching for other QB-57 threads and just read this. That's great. When I finish modding my other AR's, I'm gonna want one of these.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: lillysdad621 on November 03, 2012, 01:27:27 PM
i am glad i am not the only one that carries a pellet gun/rifle while out on the road... i found that the 22xx or 13xx in a used drill case will pass througfh anything... plus i carry a million parts and powerlets and pellets and springs and grips and optics... is like i get to assemble a new gun every night.... All of them very accurate, and as long as it is safe i get to go on little interim hunting trips here and there... I love the qb57, but i found that case a bit cumbersome... The other portable was the B3 AK look alike... sold both and regret it. another option is that CO2 b3 ak47 look alike... if i can get that i'll modify it to fit in a little back pack and run it on a 13 ci bottle, easy to refill anywhere. I saw a member of this forum showing one of those... I wanted.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Luckyj167 on November 07, 2012, 02:09:36 PM
Thanks alot guys. I was reading this thread, and now I've decided that my life can no longer be complete until I obtain one! I was looking at the .22, but does it have enough juice to destroy tree rats on my travels?
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Luckyj167 on November 07, 2012, 03:07:17 PM
D@#$ it. Just bought one. severe impulse control issues going on here
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: lillysdad621 on November 08, 2012, 10:28:02 AM
classic... lol
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Luckyj167 on November 08, 2012, 10:51:46 AM
Is there anything I can do to get more power out of this lil beast?  I'm not disapointed, just greedy....  I got the .22 and didn't know what spring conversions were available or who could help.  Advice?
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Deej on November 08, 2012, 11:01:38 AM
D@#$ it. Just bought one. severe impulse control issues going on here
   lol  How do you think I ended up with mine? Maybe they are so homely looking we just cant resist giving them a home. As far as power mods,The tests from the place I got mine show they shoot harder than what Industry rates them for.Mine is a .177,and I dont have a chrony,but a simple home-tune seemed to wake mine up a bit.At 10yds it permanately welds a pellet to a dime,and turns the dime into an interesting dish shape.Check out scotchmo's awesome post on chinese gas spring conversions,a lot of info there on 57's,and looks simple.It looks like it should at least smooth things out,and end up putting you about where you would end up after all the time spent fiddling with springs,wobbly guides,and spaceing up preload like I did.That is my next project.and I wish I'd just started there. be prepared to tinker with the scope rail,screws are too short,and it probably isnt on straight anyway.Industry scope is somewhere between lame and unuseable,gun deserves better. Have fun!!
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Luckyj167 on November 08, 2012, 02:43:02 PM
Hey Deej,

Are there any shops or persons on GTA who are offering gas piston swaps for these.  After reading up on this I'm not certain I'm to be trusted with the task...
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: TleVta on November 08, 2012, 06:27:32 PM
What's the weight of these? Is it any heavier that your standard sized break barrel rifle?

If I could get a QB-57 without the lame stock scope and the carrying case, I might buy one right now.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: lillysdad621 on November 08, 2012, 06:29:21 PM
I would not try a gas conversion on a 57... the leverage for the cocking arm does not seem solid enough to pull the ram back... with a home tune those rifles are good enough for about 10/12 fpe... and that should be decent enough for a 30 yard hunter for those pesky tree rats or rabbits. I had mine shooting 10.5 crosmans at about 650 fps... but that broke my spring within 2 tins of pellets... :( . I even tried to stuff a larger spring... not pretty. Make a good seal, hone it and play with the trigger.
the coolest thing about that rifle was the fact it was a take down...
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: lillysdad621 on November 08, 2012, 06:30:08 PM
you can... he who shall not be named might still have them...
and no, they weight about the same... just that you feel it in the back of the rifle, not the front...
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Deej on November 08, 2012, 07:01:09 PM
Hey James,I've never had anyone do any work for me,being a compulsive tinkerer and all.So I would hate to recommend anyone based on just what I read. But there are a lot of smart people on here,some of them do custom work themselves,and some have had it done.(the real smart ones?) I cant imagine folks on this forum steering you wrong if you ask those with firsthand experience with shops/tuners.Kinda like choosing a mechanic.I can say from personal experience that Mike at flying dragon just went out of his way to save my butt on a part that I thought  I wouldn't find,for a gun you cant get anymore,which I only found because someone else on here gave me a heads-up on it. GTA is a great place.Just remember,even an $80 rifle gets expensive when you pay someone else for their time and knowledge.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Ol'DeadEye on November 08, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
I call mine "my ugly gun"
I chronied mine using ChronoConnect on my Galaxy Tab 2 and got a 750 fps string.
I don't know how accurate the CC program is as I don't have a "real" chrony to compare it to.
Mine is a .177 cal shooting Crosman wad cutters.
I shoot mine with a clamp-on barrel mounted bipod and at short range (10 m) it is very accurate (for a springer).
I bought it at AA for $44, factory second with no case and no scope.
I cut the front sight off so it would fit in an old hard shell briefcase. Open sights are useless to my old eyes.
It wears the original Gamo scope that came with my BigCat.
Disposable toys are great...
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: lillysdad621 on November 09, 2012, 01:03:58 PM
I never liked the front sight... i cut mine off too and shrouded the barrel. I like the idea of removing the block of wood around the barrel and using a clamp on weaver mount... it adds top the bulpup assault rifle look... As per tuning... its your money and you can do what you want... I have tuned old mopeds (yes, the ones with pedals...) to do close to 60 mph.... fun to ride, but they are no sportbikes... get it? it was fun, but at the end they are still mopeds... so try your hand at tuning your gun... you really cant mess them up.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Luckyj167 on November 19, 2012, 07:57:00 PM
So I finially got my QB-57 in the mail last week, and finially got some playtime.  First thing I did was took the scope that came with it, went out back, and set it on fire.  Used a one piece mount, put a solid 4x32 on it that I had laying around and then off to the range!  I have threw over 350 rounds through it, so I think it should be fairly broken in.  I still cant get it to group for &^^&, even at 20yd.  The question is, how accurate can I really expect this to get? I know I have a tendency to be a little over zelious when it comes to expectations, so if someone has already been through this, a heads up would be super!  If this is as good as it will get, thats fine.  I just need to know so I can stop beating myself up re-zeroing this thing.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: GarthThomas on November 19, 2012, 10:42:42 PM
They can be fussy about the pellets you are using. I had problems with mine, I noticed more than a few of the pellets were hitting the target sideways. I used a hair dryer and warmed up the muzzle break for about 15 minutes, till I could turn it by hand then using a block of wood and a hammer I tapped it off. The bore wasn't centered in the  barrel  so the factory crown was off centered to the bore. I flattened and re squared the end of the barrel then did the brass screw re crowning trick and it was a big time improvement I haven't had a sideways pellet since. I had to re warm the muzzle break to put it back on. I find that since these are short and light at the front it took me a lot of practice to get any kind of consistent accuracy at 40 yds. Maybe 2" groups at best when I was at my best. Still a great little gun in the backyard.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Luckyj167 on November 20, 2012, 09:09:19 AM
thanks garth.  2" groups at 40yds I can handle.  I haven't had the sideways pellet problem [thank god] so i don't think I need to try the crown trick just yet.  I'll keep pluggin along with her, and someday she'll get where I need her to be. 8)
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: RC1947 on November 20, 2012, 11:45:09 AM
I received mine last week and, after cleaning and lubing it, have been shooting it since.  Fantastic shooters. RC
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Deej on November 20, 2012, 02:44:14 PM
"Fussy about pellets" is  a good way to put it.Mine even hates CPHP's. It will stack 7 gr Miester K;s at 10m,but goes to 3/4 or so with same pellet in 8.2 gr. go figure.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Luckyj167 on November 20, 2012, 08:43:51 PM
The CPHP's were the reason for the post.  I know every gun has its own preferences, but this was the first one I have ever shot that has chucked CPHP's all over the place!!  They may not always give me perfection, but they're normally a pretty good platform for me to gauge a weapons potiential.  I guess I'm going back to the land of costly 'pellet exploration'......
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: GarthThomas on November 20, 2012, 10:56:04 PM
Mine didn't like CPHPs either but on one of my mods I cut and choked the barrel and they shoot fine now.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: Luckyj167 on November 21, 2012, 02:05:59 PM
I know a few of you guys cut down and choked the barrel's, but didn't that cost you on accuracy?  Also I saw pictures of someone's rig that had the scope rail attached over the breach.  Did that have to be spot welded and custom made, or was there a vendor out there that provides them?
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: GarthThomas on November 21, 2012, 03:20:42 PM
I believe it improved accuracy in my case, but its a procedure that as a amature I could have gone the other way and made things worse.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: RC1947 on November 21, 2012, 03:25:55 PM
Mine shoots nice groups using RWS Diablo Basic pellets.

I know a few of you guys cut down and choked the barrel's, but didn't that cost you on accuracy?  Also I saw pictures of someone's rig that had the scope rail attached over the breach.  Did that have to be spot welded and custom made, or was there a vendor out there that provides them?

That would be a custom job. RC
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: TleVta on November 21, 2012, 05:20:41 PM
The UK Chinese AG forum has a page for 57's. Some of those guys say they use earplugs. Are these rifles actually that loud?
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: GarthThomas on November 21, 2012, 09:10:07 PM
The action is closer to your ears but I don't think ear plugs are needed. Installing a tighter and longer spring guide will reduce some noise and sleeving the piston with plastic from a bottle will cut it down some more, if your so inclined.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: TleVta on November 21, 2012, 11:22:48 PM
That sounds relatively simple. I still have a home built spring compressor from tuning my D34. Would I need to modify it for a 57 assembly to fit in it?
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: GarthThomas on November 22, 2012, 01:21:57 AM
You might have to shorten it.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: airgunwarriors on March 31, 2014, 10:46:54 AM
"Fussy about pellets" is  a good way to put it.Mine even hates CPHP's. It will stack 7 gr Miester K;s at 10m,but goes to 3/4 or so with same pellet in 8.2 gr. go figure.

How did you make that awesome shroud?

Thanks,

Al.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: GarthThomas on March 31, 2014, 03:19:05 PM
It's a mock shroud that threads on. I used 1" conduit and painted with bed liner. I've cut the barrel to about 11-1/2".
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0164.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0165.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0163.jpg)
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: lefteyeshot on March 31, 2014, 03:52:05 PM
I love both of mine. Got the first from Archer Air Guns with both barrels. Barrels wouldn't stay tight so I decided to lock tight the .177(I use the case to store pellets) and ordered all the parts from archer to build another gun for the .22 barrel. Easy. Parts cost $30 more than a whole new gun but it's not a business, it's a hobby. Refinished one w/ blue vanish the other light blonde. TruGlo sight on the .22 and a BSA pistol scope on the other w/ 1" tall see-thru mounts and replaced the front sight post with a taller nail painted red. Snipped a little off till I got the poi close, had to bend it a hair right. Works great. Like another guy on GTA, I drilled a peep hole below the notch sight on the .22 along with the original front post. Still experimenting with that. The .177 averaged 662 fps. the .22 513 fps. both with Peak wadcuuters(8.6oz/13.9oz). When I built the gun for the .22 barrel I used a leather piston seal for the heck of it, 471 fps. I was going to re-install the poly seal that came with it but remembered I'd put it in my BAM B3-1 AK. Got to keep better notes. I usually only shoot wadcutters but the .177 loves Gamo Red Flames, go figure. Later, You all.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: floydlong on March 31, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
I bought the QB57 in .22 cal. from SA and tuned it myself. I tightened the barrel with some leather wrapped around the nut and a pair of channel locks because I don't take it down. Out of the box it was shooting CPD 14.3 gr. at 525 and after tune it averages 585 FPS. It is an accurate rifle out to 25 yards. Many a feathered pest has fallen victim to its uuummph. Sweet and smoothe to fire. It is heavy. Been thinking bout selling mine but every time I shoot it I change my mind. :) Mine likes the RWS pointed pellets and the JSB Exacts. Mucho fun rifle.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: airgunwarriors on March 31, 2014, 11:07:57 PM
It's a mock shroud that threads on. I used 1" conduit and painted with bed liner. I've cut the barrel to about 11-1/2".
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0164.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0165.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0163.jpg)

Absolutely stunning!

Very beautiful job there!

I'm very envious of you guys!

 The one that Gene, D ez and Deej made are insanely beautiful as well and I love the accessories!

Can't wait to add one to my collection as well!

Thanks you all for the replies!

 Respectfully,

Al.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: airgunwarriors on April 01, 2014, 02:07:40 AM
You might have to shorten it.


How did you add the additional stock parts onto the trigger area and butt part?

Thanks,

Al.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: floydlong on April 01, 2014, 08:10:08 PM
If you ever get a QB57 you'll never look at your wife again........well, maybe it's not that pretty. I got the .22 cal. and did my own tuning. Kept same spring, just added a top washer. Out of the box 530.fps and after tune 585fps. It is quiet, silk smooth and very accurate with RWS Pointed out to 25 yards. Don't even hesitate, get one.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: airgunwarriors on April 01, 2014, 10:18:26 PM
If you ever get a QB57 you'll never look at your wife again........well, maybe it's not that pretty. I got the .22 cal. and did my own tuning. Kept same spring, just added a top washer. Out of the box 530.fps and after tune 585fps. It is quiet, silk smooth and very accurate with RWS Pointed out to 25 yards. Don't even hesitate, get one.

Put a fork in me, I'm done!

Did you post any pictures of yours by any chance?

Would love to see it.

Thanks,

Al.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: airgunwarriors on April 01, 2014, 10:28:23 PM
Have a look at this older post from 2007:

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/index.php?topic=3281.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/index.php?topic=3281.0)

Thanks,

Al.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: ezman604 on April 01, 2014, 10:53:43 PM
And another Gene inspired build.
FUN!!!!

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/index.php/topic,24911.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/index.php/topic,24911.0.html)
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: airgunwarriors on April 01, 2014, 10:57:22 PM
And another Gene inspired build.
FUN!!!!

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/index.php/topic,24911.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/index.php/topic,24911.0.html)

Very nice D ez!

Love that shroud!

Al.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: GarthThomas on April 02, 2014, 12:27:11 AM
I carved and drilled some baltic birch plywood that I glued together and the fore stock as well although it 's not a very original design. It was a royal pain to get the fore stock to work and now I wish I had done the whole thing in one piece and then figure out some sort of clamping scope mount as I have seen others do. I cut the majority of the cavity with a table saw and a jig set diagonal to the blade, then pass the stock over the blade raising a bit each pass to the desired depth and finish off with hand tools.
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0141.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0143.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/QBMod008.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/QBMod009.jpg)
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: airgunwarriors on April 02, 2014, 01:32:44 AM
I carved and drilled some baltic birch plywood that I glued together and the fore stock as well although it 's not a very original design. It was a royal pain to get the fore stock to work and now I wish I had done the whole thing in one piece and then figure out some sort of clamping scope mount as I have seen others do. I cut the majority of the cavity with a table saw and a jig set diagonal to the blade, then pass the stock over the blade raising a bit each pass to the desired depth and finish off with hand tools.
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0141.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/IMGA0143.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/QBMod008.jpg)
(http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s483/Garth58/QBMod009.jpg)

I must say, you are one talented Air-Gunner!

Very awesome custom wood-working! Just all blends together!

Thank-you very much for posting the pictures and sharing!:)

Respectfully,

Al.
Title: Re: QB-57
Post by: lefteyeshot on April 02, 2014, 01:48:38 AM
Garth, do you have an original or fabricated 57 stock you'd sale. One could get the rest of the parts to build the rest of the gun in .22 elsewhere for about $125.