It would be nice to see for sure, but as this has been discussed before, simple economics and savvy marketing sell the lower end springers as the introductory AG's people often buy.A springer is cheaper to build and when it can launch a pellet faster than a standard pumper what do you think will sell? Its not about reality so we can toss logic and reason out when it comes to marketing.How many new AG owners do we help weekly who sign on because they bought a springer and are having some kind of issue? It is usually as simple as tightening screws, trying out different pellets and introducing the artillery hold, but that information is NOT advertised to the consumer. I have helped countless guys at the church I go to who have had these issues. I have had to re-educate them on AG ballistics and simple reality.The way I see the springers at Wal-Mart advertised is this: "You can have a .22 LR without the stigma of it being a firearm".I too would love to see a great out of the box pumper for youth and adults that can shoot at least quarter sized groups at 30 yards with a variety of pellets and better with the right pellet in the price range of 70-90 dollars. But it won't sell, ya know why? On the box it will say "Up to 800 FPS with 7 grain pellets".BZ
you say high quality...I'm guessing you mean $400ish range but if you really mean high quality it comes at a price...I don't see why a high quality pumper would be any cheaper than a high quality pcpmeaning more like $1000...Although pumpers are definitely getting better known and more popularwith lots more info getting out there on how to mod them.Joseph
.......... I'd buy a high quality modern MSP that produced 12fpe if one were available.
Bubba, I want to join your church. At my church all they talk about is dead people.
Quote from: Bubba Zanetti on March 28, 2015, 06:18:15 AMIt would be nice to see for sure, but as this has been discussed before, simple economics and savvy marketing sell the lower end springers as the introductory AG's people often buy.A springer is cheaper to build and when it can launch a pellet faster than a standard pumper what do you think will sell? Its not about reality so we can toss logic and reason out when it comes to marketing.How many new AG owners do we help weekly who sign on because they bought a springer and are having some kind of issue? It is usually as simple as tightening screws, trying out different pellets and introducing the artillery hold, but that information is NOT advertised to the consumer. I have helped countless guys at the church I go to who have had these issues. I have had to re-educate them on AG ballistics and simple reality.The way I see the springers at Wal-Mart advertised is this: "You can have a .22 LR without the stigma of it being a firearm".I too would love to see a great out of the box pumper for youth and adults that can shoot at least quarter sized groups at 30 yards with a variety of pellets and better with the right pellet in the price range of 70-90 dollars. But it won't sell, ya know why? On the box it will say "Up to 800 FPS with 7 grain pellets".BZ Sadly Americans are hung up on speed. Be it from cars or air guns. Somehow the unknowing think that a faster pellet will not only kill a critter better, but will make up for a bad shot. Accuracy accuracy accuracy is what matters. The other thing I find sad is this. Sure we get a lot of newbies asking about their springers. But what about the other thousands who don't ask, set the AG aside as junk, and never get further involved in this sport. And one last thing, which probably won't be popular, but is true. People are generally lazy. They want the easy way out. So they aren't going to pump 10 times when they can cock the ag once. I personally love the resurgence of pumpers happening here. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my springers as well. But don't see myself buying any more of them. Pumpers I'll buy more of.