TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank



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TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« on: April 16, 2017, 09:29:01 AM »
Hi Joe,

I had my nice new Great White tank filled the other day for the first time. I decided to compare the accuracy of the extra gauge you installed that always shows remaining check tank pressure to the larger gauge. I hooked my fill hose up and put my deadhead in the other end and sure enugh they were exactly the same. That little gauge is nice!

Anyway, when I slowly cracked the tank valve open I noticed the pressure jumped up pretty fast. I was expecting it to be slow because this is some kind of slow flow valve, right? Can you help me understand what I should expect from this SLO-FLO valve?

Everything on the tank seems really nice  ;)
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2017, 09:53:50 AM »
It will slow down the more you use it.
In fact, it gets slower every time you use it.
In my experience.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 09:21:25 AM »
It will slow down the more you use it.
In fact, it gets slower every time you use it.
In my experience.
The valve is mechanically one-way restricted.  It will only slow down if you are using contaminated air, that is slowly causing a clog in the restrictor.

I can show to you how to easily clean that if you call.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 09:34:20 AM »
Hi Joe,

I had my nice new Great White tank filled the other day for the first time. I decided to compare the accuracy of the extra gauge you installed that always shows remaining check tank pressure to the larger gauge. I hooked my fill hose up and put my deadhead in the other end and sure enugh they were exactly the same. That little gauge is nice!

Anyway, when I slowly cracked the tank valve open I noticed the pressure jumped up pretty fast. I was expecting it to be slow because this is some kind of slow flow valve, right? Can you help me understand what I should expect from this SLO-FLO valve?

Everything on the tank seems really nice  ;)
Thanks for liking our tanks so mucy. I always appreciate making someone happy (don't we all?)

When you ope the valve the pressure is initially pressurizing only the very small volume of air in the hose and the pressure jumps quickly. If you watch and listen closely, you might hear a click, as the one-way check valve in your PCPC airgun clicks open. At that point, now the much larger volume of the Rifle is being filled, and the need will move more slowly.

We try to adjust the speed of the Slo-Flo to make everyone happy. But, like the thermostat, some like it where it is, some what it more, some want it less hot. Same with the speed of the slo-flo- Fortunately adjusting the speed of the slow flow is easy. Either you can do it, or I can. 
Call Adam or myself at 714-612-5956.

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A) become one more place that I must constantly monitor (in addition to 100's of emails, texts, calls, wak-ins, etc.) or
B) Accidentally go unnoticed and upset people.

Our goal is to answer questions immediately, so please call 714-907-0067 between 8AM-4:30PM PACIFIC and well take IMMEDIATE care of you.
I can either walk you through how to slow down the valve, or I can do it at no charge.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 09:07:55 PM »
Thanks Joe. Let me try another couple fills and see how it does with the added capacity of the airgun cylinder. I follow your point about that.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2017, 04:45:30 PM »
Hi Joe,

I follow what you say about pressurizing the small volume hose, but I'm finding it attempts to continue filling the reservoir of my PCP rapidly too. I am operating the valve knob very, very carefully as it seems to go from 'not open' to fast flow out of nowhere.

I open it in the tiniest increments possible with it taking a half dozen tiny movements before it then flows fast. The standard valve on my scuba tank is much more controlled. Can you please post instructions to do the adjustment? Having them written would help if I have to refer tot them again, and believe it or not I have been contacted by 2 other people asking if I could share the instructions (they assumed I had called). Or even make it as a refer3nce on your site where the tanks are listed?

Thanks
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2017, 04:55:19 PM »
Hi Joe,

I follow what you say about pressurizing the small volume hose, but I'm finding it attempts to continue filling the reservoir of my PCP rapidly too. I am operating the valve knob very, very carefully as it seems to go from 'not open' to fast flow out of nowhere.

I open it in the tiniest increments possible with it taking a half dozen tiny movements before it then flows fast. The standard valve on my scuba tank is much more controlled. Can you please post instructions to do the adjustment? Having them written would help if I have to refer tot them again, and believe it or not I have been contacted by 2 other people asking if I could share the instructions (they assumed I had called). Or even make it as a refer3nce on your site where the tanks are listed?

Thanks
I would be interested in rebuilding my TJ3 guppy valve as well, I've noticed its much more difficult to get a nice slow fill with it
than my scuba tanks even when they are both at ~3000psi, though it should be noted my valve is around 7yrs old and it works great just not as easy to fill with as my scuba tanks.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2017, 11:51:37 PM »
I am also interested in this.

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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2017, 01:10:55 AM »
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I have the same problem as Joseph.  Guppy goes from closed to torrential with almost nothing in between.   I have an easier time with a standard SCBA valve.  Been meaning to send it in for service,  but if simple I'd handle at home. 
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2017, 08:37:23 PM »
Hi Joe. I'm very patient  ;). Still looking forward to a little assistance with the top of the line air tank package I purchased from you. That so-called 'slo-flo' valve is anything but slow.

Seems like this adjustment procedure for a high pressure valve would best be documented, not described over the phone to someone unfamiliar with the it. I'm sure I can follow a documented procedure pretty easy.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2017, 10:08:41 AM »
Sorry for delay in seeing your post. from your last post, I thought you were still investigating and deciding if it worked.

Just call us at 714-907-0067 and we'll fix the situation today. But you got to call, not via the forum or it could get majorly delayed as I don't get the time to visit to much and we only do orders, repairs, etc. over the phone. 

Yes, we'll try to eventually post a procedure, but it takes us a lot longer to post a video for a few people than to explain it more easily and clearly on the phone where we can have dialog vs. monolog.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2017, 10:15:34 AM »
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I have the same problem as Joseph.  Guppy goes from closed to torrential with almost nothing in between.   I have an easier time with a standard SCBA valve.  Been meaning to send it in for service,  but if simple I'd handle at home.

It is very simple to slow down the rate.
 
Remove the valve from the tank.
Remove little nut, spring and needle/restrictor at bottom of threads
mount needle in drill
using fine sand-paper spin needle with drill, sanding cone of needle (Idea is to make the fine score/line in the needle even smaller)
Re-assemble.


Andy, when did you purchase this from us, and we'll confirm which version you have. Must've been a few years ago.  Just contact us, no need to wait so long to let us know via the forum.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2017, 11:17:38 AM »
Joe,
When you build the valves for the Benjiman tank, is that a slo-flo?
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2017, 06:41:46 PM »
Crosman/Benjamin spec'd them to be a certain flow (as well as gauge, and hose design).  Still, the valve is a Slo-Flo.
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2017, 10:09:37 PM »
Thanks Joe.
I figured it was.

So, do you have any tad-pole tanks anymore?

Thanks
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2017, 10:24:41 AM »
Thanks Joe.
I figured it was.

So, do you have any tad-pole tanks anymore?

Thanks
LOL, Tad-pole, LOVE IT!  We just might have to come up with such a tank. I'll even give to you the credit for naming it!
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2017, 10:47:13 AM »
Great White
Tiger Shark
Guppy

You had one more a bit smaller.

What was the name?
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2017, 11:41:34 AM »
Great White
Tiger Shark
Guppy

You had one more a bit smaller.

What was the name???

Oh yeah. The Minnow..

Do you still have some?
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Benjamin Marauder Gen I, .25  w/Boyd's Stock
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2017, 11:58:42 AM »
Minnow

Do you have anymore?
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Benjamin Marauder Gen I, .25  w/Boyd's Stock
Crosman 1720T w/Ralph Baker Furniture
Daisy Model 25, Variant #17
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Re: TJ3 SLO-FLO valve on my Great White tank
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2017, 02:44:54 AM »
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I have the same problem as Joseph.  Guppy goes from closed to torrential with almost nothing in between.   I have an easier time with a standard SCBA valve.  Been meaning to send it in for service,  but if simple I'd handle at home.

It is very simple to slow down the rate.
 
Remove the valve from the tank.
Remove little nut, spring and needle/restrictor at bottom of threads
mount needle in drill
using fine sand-paper spin needle with drill, sanding cone of needle (Idea is to make the fine score/line in the needle even smaller)
Re-assemble.


Andy, when did you purchase this from us, and we'll confirm which version you have. Must've been a few years ago.  Just contact us, no need to wait so long to let us know via the forum.

Thanks Joe.  Mine is second hand but still new enough to not have a hydro test yet.  No worry about the wait.  I haven't used it for at least six months.  Not because of the fill rate,  but because I've been too busy.   Will get in touch with you soon.
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