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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #100 on: April 16, 2017, 07:06:38 PM »
I couldn't stand back and take this anymore.  Thanks to Dairyboy, I have been made a member of the M10 club...the Disco is sweet, too.


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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #101 on: April 16, 2017, 09:56:08 PM »
Soooo, you took the plunge! Welcome to "The M10 Club"  8)  (that's funny)

How did you get yours, I thought Mrodair was sold out!

There's a real good mix of experience in this thread. Many have years of PCP mod.s under their belt, others like myself are just getting started. Makes for great reading as I stumble upon the same problems others are having, and then find answers I can apply.

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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #102 on: April 18, 2017, 02:37:54 AM »
Hey Andrew,

I got both rifles from Dairyboy.  Glad I did take the plunge.

Joe
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #103 on: April 18, 2017, 11:21:20 PM »
Welcome to the club Joe, if I ever get the replacement valve parts for mine, I look forward to sharing some shooting experiences. I know Andrew has been in touch with SPA and I am heading down that path next.
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #104 on: April 20, 2017, 07:55:37 PM »
Thanks Steve.  Wish I had another.

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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #105 on: April 20, 2017, 08:41:46 PM »
Thanks Steve.  Wish I had another.

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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #106 on: April 20, 2017, 10:45:21 PM »
Thanks Steve.  Wish I had another.

Joe

I could help with that...  PM me

Curses Mark, a blight upon your name... PM sent.
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #107 on: April 20, 2017, 11:01:01 PM »
Thanks Steve.  Wish I had another.

Joe

I could help with that...  PM me

Curses Mark, a blight upon your name... PM sent.
Blight me  8) :o
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #108 on: April 20, 2017, 11:42:35 PM »
Blight me  8) :o

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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #109 on: April 21, 2017, 03:07:45 PM »
 ;D You guys are crazy!
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #110 on: April 21, 2017, 09:16:16 PM »
I'm a bad excuse for an M10 owner. Haven't played with it in quite awhile.

After due consideration of how the rilfe wiull get used, removed the 3-12X and put on a simple 3-9X scope.  Just not going to be used any farther than a 3-9X can provide.



Guess I'm either complacent or the rifle fills a "slot" in the line up that's not better filled by some other PCP.  Don't really "know" yet if it is a "must-have-keeper" or just one I play with now and again....time, use will decide that over time.

 Cured the trigger.  Then cured making the (stupidly placed) safety work with the trigger adjusted. Ordered really heavy weight pellets to better deal with the power output. Tried various transfer ports to decrease power and extend shot count

Results were great, but I just don't have anything that needs shooting at that power level or all that far away until huntring season rolls around again.

Disgtracting me: I got into the really quiet rifles, and put the M-10 to the side for a time (it's still holding a steady pressure, so it's likely "healthy"). More need right now, with only pest birds on the "legal" shooting menue, and shrouded/LDC's low power is better suited for the season here (warm...neighbors out more...no game animals to shoot).

Had a couple of tests at various speed with my nephew...he's happier with the Discovery, as that cost about as much as this did on sale, figured "what the hay" and let the Disco. go and kept thr M10.

Settled on a 3/4 throttle setting of  a bit less than 42 foot pounds.  It has 53-51 foot pounds with no sweat, but  40-42 seemed to be "enough"...fast enough that real heavy weight pellets aren't  really trajectory challenged (still in the 800's) but still able to toss 18.1's at a reasonably slow/accurate speed (more like 980fps).



Reasonably efficient.  Not 100% sure what the real air volume of that air tube really is.  Have seen 255 cc mentioned, and if it really is that size, then the efficiency is about 1.3.  I'm thinking it may be closer to 270cc's, which would make the efficiency more like 1.24.

Neither of those is earthshattering....but I'd not take it apart and rework the system for  the difference.

Did extend the LDC rather than make a new one.  Just a suspistion, but SUPECT the isse one has so many close-set baffles that the air speed (and sound) reduction is hampered by lack of volume when cranked up to full power.  The extention makes it at least "usefully" quiet when tuned down to the 38-42 foot pound level.

Soooo...I'd kind of inactive and silent about the M10 for now.

I really do NOT want to transform it into something that isn't in it's basic nature (that being a really fast/high powered unregulated PCP) as that exact nature would be a very good thing come next hunting season.  Found over the years, that pcp's forced/tuned into power leverl they aren't natural to tend to find ways of letting you know they aren't happy (blowing seals, needing readjustment, not keeping thier zero, etc.).

Let 'em live in the "zone" they seem to find to naturally wanting to shoot...fast or slow....if you really need a faster/more powerful one, buy a new one (and if you need a quieter/lower powered one, buy one of those as well).


Tell ya'll what...let me "whack" a couple of bothersome garbage can raiding racoons, and I'll re-evaluate the rifle's uses for me at this power level. It kind of likes the odd-ball 19gr. H&N  "X" shaped head hollow point, the speed would be enough to get it to expand on racoon sized critters, and I'll report on the results. 


As for too much more drastic experimention...why? 

As for the new repeater version...I'd have to see three things:

1. Is here a really decent single shot tray that with it?
2.Price...there seems to be more compition at the lower end of the PCP scale than there is anywhere else right now.
3. Is the new version more in tune with "moderate" power, or is it more like the original M-10's "male-round accessory package-to the-wall" type of tuning?





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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #111 on: April 21, 2017, 11:38:48 PM »
I'm curious if the LDC extension is something that can be done without machery.
I ordered two M10's, so far I have only replaced the trigger sears and put bottle brushes in to calm down the ping, I have noticed that one is quite a bit more powerful out of the box than the other.
Anyway both are great rifles, but those safeties aren't my favorite.
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #112 on: July 12, 2017, 01:28:24 AM »
older thread, but ringing it back to ask some of the more experienced M10 owners some questions.

Has anyone here converted your .22 cal M10's to repeaters ?
If so,...how did you do it ?
Was it with parts ordered from Spa ? or did Mrodair ever sell a repeater breech ?
 What type/brand magazine was used ?
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #113 on: July 12, 2017, 04:00:30 PM »
Here is a 5 shot group that was shot last Saturday with the
M-10 using a 33 gr at 950 fps , 4 shots under one inch and
Craig stated that he pulled the shot out to the right .
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #114 on: July 12, 2017, 05:25:16 PM »
older thread, but ringing it back to ask some of the more experienced M10 owners some questions.

Has anyone here converted your .22 cal M10's to repeaters ?
If so,...how did you do it ?
Was it with parts ordered from Spa ? or did Mrodair ever sell a repeater breech ?
 What type/brand magazine was used ?

Ron,
I did do the repeater conversion...all parts MRODAIR sourced.
Its a pretty simple conversion breech, regulator, and done...
I will warn though..as with ALL regulators in my experience, they are power robbing villains! That MASSIVE power that you can experience with the single shot version, is diminished ....severely or not severely is a matter of perspective. I left the conversion in place however, and moved on to other rifles.

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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #115 on: July 12, 2017, 05:27:28 PM »
Almost forgot...I did purchase an additional magazine from a website abroad (the name escapes me at the moment)

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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #116 on: July 13, 2017, 02:48:40 AM »
Here is a 5 shot group that was shot last Saturday with the
M-10 using a 33 gr at 950 fps , 4 shots under one inch and
Craig stated that he pulled the shot out to the right .

Dale forgot to mention this was at 100 yds. That's not too bad if you ask me !

older thread, but ringing it back to ask some of the more experienced M10 owners some questions.

Has anyone here converted your .22 cal M10's to repeaters ?
If so,...how did you do it ?
Was it with parts ordered from Spa ? or did Mrodair ever sell a repeater breech ?
 What type/brand magazine was used ?

Ron,
I did do the repeater conversion...all parts MRODAIR sourced.
Its a pretty simple conversion breech, regulator, and done...
I will warn though..as with ALL regulators in my experience, they are power robbing villains! That MASSIVE power that you can experience with the single shot version, is diminished ....severely or not severely is a matter of perspective. I left the conversion in place however, and moved on to other rifles.

DJ

Thanks DJ,
We have done the repeater conversion on 2 of the M10's were currently have, using parts from SPA.
 Craig also tried the Lane regulator in his, with the same results as you described. The regulator was then removed and the above group was done with an impressive 66 FPE !
 ( Don't think I'll be putting the reg in mine  ;)  ;D )
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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #117 on: July 13, 2017, 12:56:34 PM »
Love it!......Now I might have to re-visit mine....and remove that darn regulator....YES...I am a card carrying member of the "I hate regulators" club! :-)

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Re: Mrodair M10
« Reply #118 on: July 13, 2017, 03:48:25 PM »
The regulators rob a gun of it's true potential if it's power you're going for.  That's why I didn't put one in my Marauder.
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« Reply #119 on: July 13, 2017, 06:08:58 PM »
Think "we" (meaning airgunners in gneneral) lost site of what regulation was designed to do:  whole lot more uniform shots at less than max speeds.

NO way a PCP running on less pressure and with less volume to tap from can make the same power as a full pressure and the full volume to tap from.

Regulated rifles get that long shot count from the ability to run well over a long pressure range.  Generally, they aren't all that efficient at air use.   

Have mentioned it before, but have a 13ci bottle gun (converted QB79) that will get 205 nicely uniform  12.5 foot pound shots per fill.  YOu'd think that would have to be really efficient.... it isn't.   Why? Becasue it runs over a 2200psi range to do it (from 3000psi to 800psi).

Yes...you can make a tuned up regulated rifle shoot as fast or faster than an untuned non-regulated rifle....but if 1/2 the effort of making it regulated was spent on tuning it up at full power?...nope.

Logically, some of that is becasue regulators have parts that cycle and move...so they perform "work"...and the air is the only sourse for power for that work...so at least a little bit of the compressed air uses goes into cycling the regulator.  Given 205 shots, that little bit evidently adds up.

Wanna try?   Pick the output pressure you'd want in a regulator (lets say 1700psi)
Fill your PCP to 100PSi over that pressure. (lets say 1800psi)
Tune/test/tune test, only taking shots from 100psi above to 100psi below reg pressure (1600-1800 psi).

Now...likely that would still be HIGH for regulation, as regulated guns don't tap off the full air tube for a shot...they only tap off the air between the rgulator and the valve stem.
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