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Title: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 21, 2017, 12:44:20 AM
Hey, new to this forum and fairly new to the world of air rifles on the adult level. I have mostly shot .22LR and .22 MAG. I had air rifles when I was younger. I am a research junky and have read many things about air guns and watched all kinds of videos so I started with a Benjamin NP2 .22 break barrel. It was OK but I could not get the accuracy I was hoping for or at least not with my normal shooting style. I got rid of it and got a Benjamin Marauder Gen 2 Syn. stock .22. and have a UTG 4-16x44 AO scope mounted to it. To start all I have is Crosman Premier hollow points 14.3 grain that I had for my NP2. I shot the gun straight out of the box at 27 yds. and scared the !@#$ out of me. I was shooting 6" and 8" groups! Based on some things I had read on here. I removed the baffles and had no clipping. I removed the barrel and did a very good cleaning as per Pyramid Air`s video. I made sure the barrel shroud was not touching the guide ring at the end. I went back out and shot 1 1/4" to 1 1/2" groups with over half the shots in 3/4". That was much better. Does this sound about right for this pellet on average for this gun? I ordered the 12 pellet variety pack form Precision Airsports on eBay and got them today. They are mostly H & N and JBS varieties with a few others. They are supposed to be the best rated group for .22. I also bought a chrony to test these with but that will be this weekend I hope. Am I on the right track so far? Any other advise from Marauder owners would be great. I mostly just target shoot and shoot Starling since I live in farm country and they are everywhere. My #1 goal is accuracy. Power is good if I can have accuracy also but only if accuracy does not fade. Thanks for any input.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: avator on March 21, 2017, 12:52:22 AM
That Chrony is going to be your friend. It's not so much that the gun don't like certain pellets as it is that certain pellets like different speeds and ranges. The Marauder is so tunable that, with the chrony, you find you pellet and you range. I just got mine and I have a chrony. Now I'm in the market for a compressor because I don't want to do all that pumping and my 3000 psi tank will keep me running up and down the road to refill it. Then, believe me, me and this gun are going to get intimate.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: anti-squirrel on March 21, 2017, 01:37:22 AM
I was shooting 6" and 8" groups!
If you get a chance, order the sample pack from Straightshooters.com  $35 gives you 18 common pellets in .22.

Now- for a spell Crosman had a slew of .22 MRods with less-than-good barrels.  But- all is not lost.  if you can get yours apart enough to inspect the crown and inside the muzzle, give it a go.  Look for damage or dinged rifling, and if you do have it, contact Crosman ASAP.

You're on the right track, and getting a Chrono is an absolute must.  Bill is on the money with what he says.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 21, 2017, 08:24:51 PM
That Chrony is going to be your friend. It's not so much that the gun don't like certain pellets as it is that certain pellets like different speeds and ranges. The Marauder is so tunable that, with the chrony, you find you pellet and you range. I just got mine and I have a chrony. Now I'm in the market for a compressor because I don't want to do all that pumping and my 3000 psi tank will keep me running up and down the road to refill it. Then, believe me, me and this gun are going to get intimate.

Ya a 4500 PSI tank would be great. Right now I have a hill MK4 pump. It works pretty good and I get a work out. I plan on shooting the fire out of this gun.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: avator on March 21, 2017, 08:29:44 PM
You and me both Brother.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 21, 2017, 08:43:18 PM
I was shooting 6" and 8" groups!
If you get a chance, order the sample pack from Straightshooters.com  $35 gives you 18 common pellets in .22.

Now- for a spell Crosman had a slew of .22 MRods with less-than-good barrels.  But- all is not lost.  if you can get yours apart enough to inspect the crown and inside the muzzle, give it a go.  Look for damage or dinged rifling, and if you do have it, contact Crosman ASAP.

You're on the right track, and getting a Chrono is an absolute must.  Bill is on the money with what he says.

I have had the barrel all the way out when I cleaned it because I wanted to inspect it as good as I could. I am not 100% sure I would know by looking if it was good or bad but I did not see anything I would not call normal. Are there any pics of what a bad one looks like? The 12 variety pack I ordered came with H & N Baracuda Match 5.51, 5.52, and 5.53 pellets in 21.14 gr. They are more expensive than the regular Baracudas. It seems kinda odd that there would not also be the standard 5.5`s also. Do you think I should try those at the same time as the rest also. I hope these heavier pellets do the best. If they do, do you think a good fps to start setting the gun to would be around 850 fps? From what I see on here that seems to be a good average for power and accuracy on most .22 pellets. I know I don`t get to pick the pellet, the gun does, lol.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Wayne52 on March 21, 2017, 10:49:00 PM
I'm really glad I finally got a tank going myself ;D
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: tracker1955 on March 21, 2017, 11:07:05 PM
Yes 850 FPS is a great starting point and plenty of energy at just about 30 FPE. Most Gen II Marauders shoot either JSB exact 18.13 gr or H&N barracuda match 21.14 gr best. The barracuda's are available in 5.52 and 5.53 head sizes and the Marauders often like the larger head size due to loose fitting barrels. Mine also shoots the Polymag shorts reasonably well out to 30 yards and they hit hard. Good luck on finding your ideal pellet and enjoy your new Marauder.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: kkarmical on March 21, 2017, 11:16:11 PM
That Chrony is going to be your friend. It's not so much that the gun don't like certain pellets as it is that certain pellets like different speeds and ranges. The Marauder is so tunable that, with the chrony, you find you pellet and you range. I just got mine and I have a chrony. Now I'm in the market for a compressor because I don't want to do all that pumping and my 3000 psi tank will keep me running up and down the road to refill it. Then, believe me, me and this gun are going to get intimate.

Ya a 4500 PSI tank would be great. Right now I have a hill MK4 pump. It works pretty good and I get a work out. I plan on shooting the fire out of this gun.
I have a Hill pump and let me tell you, at least you're not using a Benjamin pump cause once you start fine tuning, it's not impossible, but just not fun.
I have a tank now only pump as a back up.
Jsb's & don't forget polymags to that try list.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 21, 2017, 11:23:51 PM
Thanks for all the replies. I will post results when I get them so others can use the info just like I have used yours. I will shoot one square of cardboard with all 12 pellets and post a pic with them all labeled.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Wayne52 on March 21, 2017, 11:24:50 PM
I've retired my hand pumps for behind the seat of my truck when I go hunting ;D
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Dairyboy on March 21, 2017, 11:51:28 PM
Sounds like your off to a good start with getting the pellet sampler. Chances are you'll have one shoot better than 3/4" at 27 yards.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: MattMac91 on March 22, 2017, 12:03:03 AM
My old .22 gen2 mrod @$%^ the jsb 18s well. Get rid of those crosman pellets or use them to dirty up that barrel. MY mrod did shoot a lot better when I cleaned the barrel and every other gun since then has preferred dirty barrels ;)
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Wayne52 on March 22, 2017, 12:13:19 AM
JSB's are my go to pellets for everything
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Extreme .457 on March 22, 2017, 01:28:37 AM
   I owned a .22 Marauder, after ALOT of tuning, shooting, cussing and PRAYING she started shooting good! After about 1000pellets and never cleaning the bbl again she was shooting GREAT!!!! JSB 18.1
Barracuda Match 5.53 21.14 out to 100yds on calm days!!! Fill pressure was 2800psi for sweet spot and best accuracy. Baraccuda Match were shooting 30 plus shots on an average 815fps. A buddy wanted to get into airgunning and made me a nice offer that filled my need to purchase a Daystate Regal .22 used for $650!!!!! I still have that Regal and she gets shot ALOT!!!! Marauders are great starter guns, FT guns, hunting guns, a man can't go wrong with one. A lot of after market parts and ALOT of support out there for them. I traded for a Gen1 .25  ;D MAN I LOVE this Girl!!!! I made a walnut with ebony stock for her, sent her to Travis at WAR for a complete tune!!! LORDY she is used ALOT!!! I use her for predator hunts (fox and Bobcats) have given up the ghost because of my Maruarder .25 HN Barracuda at 835fps I think that's  50fpe Very accurate with this set up, the MKII also are very accurate and 809fps great ammo. I prefer the big and slow theory better accuracy for me.

Best of luck and congrats on your Marauder you will work out the kinks. 👍🏽
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Deckard1973 on March 22, 2017, 09:28:44 AM
As other have stated, you will find a pellet size that will really work well in your MRod. 
For me, it was the 5.52 size. 
I even tried the RWS Meisterkugeln pellets, and they did not group very well at all.
I have had good luck with JSBs, and H&N. 
Recently I have been looking into mods, but found a post by triggertreat who only added a WAR TSS and MDS to his otherwise stock MRod, and was able to get his ES down to 1.61% for 30 shots.  That is the kind of consistency I am looking for.
Good luck and have fun!
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: FuzzyGrub on March 22, 2017, 11:04:05 AM
I would focus on the JSB 18.1g and 15.89g, and H&N BM 21g in 5.52-5.53 head size first.  As long as they are shooting somewhere in the 800 fps, should be fine. 
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: pcp_Dave on March 22, 2017, 05:56:37 PM
After the first tin of JSB 18's my mrod starting spraying pellets. I cleaned the barrel etc etc.
It was just that the next tin of JSB's were &^^&. Right now I'm shooting H&N field trophy I buy from fieldsupply dot com. good shipping price and good price on the pellets. Something else I did that brought the groups way down was to dink with the focus ring on the back of the scope and the side focus wheel to clear the parallax. Before I was just adjusting the side wheel for clearest picture. That was not really handling the parallax. I had to dink with both adjustments. the adjustment on the back of scope doesn't look like it does much when you focus on the reticle but it does affect parallax.
My set up is .22 genII marauder and UTG 4-16x44 accushot scope.

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Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: styger on March 22, 2017, 06:05:57 PM
I'm not sure of your cleaning procedure but did it tell you to check the transfer port for sharp edges.  My Marauder was inaccurate when I received it.  I ordered a new barrel from Crosman and followed some of the original procedures with mother's polishing compound in order to clean and polish the barrel.  Used a foam ear piece to polish the transfer port and replaced the breech oring.  It does clover leafs at 30 yards with most pellets now.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Deckard1973 on March 22, 2017, 08:45:47 PM
I'm not sure of your cleaning procedure but did it tell you to check the transfer port for sharp edges.  My Marauder was inaccurate when I received it.  I ordered a new barrel from Crosman and followed some of the original procedures with mother's polishing compound in order to clean and polish the barrel.  Used a foam ear piece to polish the transfer port and replaced the breech oring.  It does clover leafs at 30 yards with most pellets now.

Can you say the polished barrel prefers one pellet over another?  I know you said "most pellets now."  As I stated previously, my OEM, unpolished barrel likes the 5.52 pellets.  Wondering if I polish it, will I have to go up to 5.53???? 
Thinking of polishing mine . . .
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 22, 2017, 11:00:52 PM
Lots of good advice and some of all the pellets you guys mentioned. I did not check my transfer port for rough edges. If the Crosman Premiers are not so great in these guns and I got it down to 1.25" with them then I have high hopes for some of the others. My list I have to try are:
 H & N Baracuda Match 5.51 21.14 g
H & N Baracuda Match 5.52 21.14 g
H & N Baracuda Match 5.53 21.14 g
JSB Exact Jumbo 18.13 g.
H & N Excite hammer 14.66 g
H & N Field Trophy 5.53 14.66 g
H & N Field Trophy 5.54 14 66 g
H & N Field Trophy 5.55 14.66 g
RWS Superdome 14.5 g
JSB Exact Jumbo RS 13.43 g
JSB Exact Jumbo Express 14.35 g
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Scalf on March 23, 2017, 12:18:55 AM
I purchased a Marauder  22cal last summer.  I found a copper plated pellet that would shoot about 3/8 inch group at 25 yds and about an inch at 50 yds but they were real tight going  in. I tried a bunch of pellets including Baracuda  match in 3 different head sizes. 1/2 to 3/4 inch groups at 25 yds. Finally  i gave up and put a Marmot  Militia  barrel  on it.  I fill to 3100 psi and the 15 grain and the 18 grain JSBs shoot less than .2 inch 5 shot groups at 25 yds. 50 yd groups hover around .5 to.7 at 50 yds. Some better than .5 inch on a windless day. The 15 grain is going 930s fps and the 18 grain is about
900 fps. Shot count for a fill really not worthy and accuracy falls off about 2300 psi. The down side to a Marmot  Militia  barrel is cleaning. 100 to 125 shots and cleaning is a must with tight patches.  Accuracy  is better if i don't  lube the pellets. Some people say they went through 2 and 3 crossman barrels  before they got a good one. It sounds like you got a bad barrel but crossman barrels are real cheap.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 25, 2017, 05:38:10 PM
I had time to try my new pellets and tried to post pics but could not do so. Long story short I could not get any pellets in a quarter size group at 34 yds. I could get 3 pellets in that group sometimes but 5-10 shot groups I could not and that is with a bench rest. The JSB jumbos and H & N Baracudas did the best. I know others are getting dime size at that distance. The Baracudas from 5.51, 5.52, and 5.53 made no difference. Pretty much all the groups were 1 3/4" and yes I am a better shot than that. Any openions? The JSB 15.89 was shooting around 880 fps. The JSB 18.13 was shooting around 840 fps. The H & N Baracuda`s were around 760.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Plekto on March 25, 2017, 06:31:55 PM
The most accurate for me were the H&N Field Target Trophy in 5.54mm .  They seem to also run best at about 2700-2800psi.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: squirrel_hunter on March 25, 2017, 06:55:02 PM
I had time to try my new pellets and tried to post pics but could not do so. Long story short I could not get any pellets in a quarter size group at 34 yds. I could get 3 pellets in that group sometimes but 5-10 shot groups I could not and that is with a bench rest. The JSB jumbos and H & N Baracudas did the best. I know others are getting dime size at that distance. The Baracudas from 5.51, 5.52, and 5.53 made no difference. Pretty much all the groups were 1 3/4" and yes I am a better shot than that. Any openions? The JSB 15.89 was shooting around 880 fps. The JSB 18.13 was shooting around 840 fps. The H & N Baracuda`s were around 760.
  I had same problem.i bought a MM hammer forged barrel and it shoots great with all pellets.18.1 JSBs shoot the best...1/2 in at 50 yards,chipmunks at 55 yards.i clean my 22 after I shoot a 6-7 of clips.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: tracker1955 on March 25, 2017, 11:34:04 PM
Sorry to hear it's not grouping better for you, guess I was lucky when I got mine a few years back when gen 2's first came out. Maybe a new barrel from Crosman or a Marmot militia barrel, my friend Keith has one and loves it, very accurate.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Wayne52 on March 26, 2017, 02:03:01 AM
First thing I'd do is try it without the shroud, if it's grouping a lot better without it don't tighten it as much when you put it back on. Shrouds only need to be snug.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: triggertreat on March 26, 2017, 09:28:41 AM
Each barrel is a little different being from drawn tubing and button rifled.  I found my stock barrel to be very finicky.  It did well with the JSB 18.1gn but those pellets weren't consistent and got mixed results.


I settled with the H&N 21.14 Match with 5.53mm heads after pushing a number of pellets through the barrel, these pellets showed the best and most even rifling marks.  I shot the 21.14gn only to allow the barrel to mate with them.  I only used a bore snake to clean very infrequently.  I shot 21.14gn at 830 fps as that gave the best groups.


After figuring out what worked best, I had impressive accuracy but wanted more so I got the MMHF barrel and man what a difference,  Pinpoint accuracy and no flyers.  At 25 yards pellets just stack on top of each other.  1/2" groups at 50.  Never could do that with stock barrel.


I always run a tune within a 2% ES or less and just this week like many times before have taken head shots on large birds at 60 yards.  It's  a whole  lot of fun and amazes me each time I do it.


I did use an o-ring in the barrel band with the stock barrel. It did seem to help, but no longer use one with the thicker HF Barrel.


Try pushing some pellets through the barrel and see which have the.best resistance and rifling marks.  You may need 5.54mm or just get the HF Barrel and start really enjoying your gun.



Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 26, 2017, 11:08:16 AM
First thing I'd do is try it without the shroud, if it's grouping a lot better without it don't tighten it as much when you put it back on. Shrouds only need to be snug.

I did do this and when I tighten the shroud I would then back it off a qtr to half turn. was hoping that was it but no luck.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 26, 2017, 11:21:38 AM
I am sure there is something that could be done with this barrel if I keep looking but from what I am seeing if I do find something it will still be very pellet picky and ok at best. I would rather have a 700.00 gun that shoots amazing than a 500.00 gun that shoots OK so I now have a Marmot Militia barrel on the way. I have read so many good things about these and nothing bad. I do not mind having to oil the pellets and cleaning the barrel often. I do like that the material is the same as a traditional rifle and not as prone to damage from cleaning. I should be able to use my .22 bore snake with no problem. To me the Crosman barrel just seems real flimsy. I will be happy when I can take head shots at 40 yds with confidence on black birds.  ;). Other than this I am supper happy with this gun!
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: triggertreat on March 26, 2017, 01:52:29 PM
You will enjoy the HF barrel.  In my experience you don't have to clean the barrel  that often when lubing the pellets.  I just pull a bore snake thru mine every couple hundred shots or so.  Mine likes the JSB 18.1 and AA 16gn, but will shoot many different pellets well at the 25 yard range.  I only shoot the soft lead mentioned to avoid barrel fouling.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: sawtoothscream on March 26, 2017, 02:08:06 PM
My old mrod .22 shot ok at 30 but was horrible past that point and oddly started to just shoot poor at 30.    Received a new barrel and still had no luck.    Sold it to someone on here and they figured it out.   

My next route would have been getting a LW barrel.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: lennyk on March 26, 2017, 09:09:39 PM
Try defloating the shroud,barrel.
You basically put some 1/16 single sided foam to between the barrel band and shroud.
If you do t have single sided, use double sided and stick some plastic film over it.

There is also a method to use orings instead.
This and not having the shroud tight has made a huge difference for me.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 26, 2017, 10:54:22 PM
Try defloating the shroud,barrel.
You basically put some 1/16 single sided foam to between the barrel band and shroud.
If you do t have single sided, use double sided and stick some plastic film over it.

There is also a method to use orings instead.
This and not having the shroud tight has made a huge difference for me.
Ya I am amazed at just how easy it is to move the barrel inside the barrel band. I look at it from time to time and it always seems to be in the same spot but a few thousands is a mile for a pellet. Can anyone who has Marmot Militia barrel comment if it feels more ridgid?
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: makoda on March 27, 2017, 12:53:26 AM
yes it is more ridged, it is a bit thicker.  I was in your shoes when I got my crosman barrel but decided I could either buy a lot of pellets looking for that one pellet to shoot decent or skip it all and put the money I would spend on pellets into a new barrel.  I am glad I did, because the gun shoots amazing out to 100yds now.  Its an excellent barrel.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Wayne52 on March 27, 2017, 07:59:49 AM
Eventually the Crosman barrels will probably be much better once they run out of the old barrels.  It's hard to say just how many of
the older barrels that they have in their inventory yet, only Crosman knows that for sure.  When I ordered my Mrod on the cyber monday
deal I went for the .25 that has the Green Mountain barrel, that's a fantastic barrel but it would be super overkill for the smaller
game and you'd have to make head shots only on squirrel, there's no doubt it would be good for head shots on starlings at a good distance.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on March 27, 2017, 09:36:58 PM
Try defloating the shroud,barrel.
You basically put some 1/16 single sided foam to between the barrel band and shroud.
If you do t have single sided, use double sided and stick some plastic film over it.

There is also a method to use orings instead.
This and not having the shroud tight has made a huge difference for me.

I tried doing this with the O-rings but I could not get any better groups, maybe worse so I removed them and re-centered the scope. They said it would be a couple weeks before my barrel was ready so I will shoot this one for now. Small price to pay if it is as good as everyone says. Besides I have a ton of CPHP pellets to burn up.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: avator on March 27, 2017, 09:45:29 PM
I had put an o-ring in mine as well. I too didn't see results of any significance. I took it back out. It was more out if curiosity that necessity.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: EthanEF on March 27, 2017, 11:11:41 PM
I purchased a Marauder  22cal last summer.  I found a copper plated pellet that would shoot about 3/8 inch group at 25 yds and about an inch at 50 yds but they were real tight going  in. I tried a bunch of pellets including Baracuda  match in 3 different head sizes. 1/2 to 3/4 inch groups at 25 yds. Finally  i gave up and put a Marmot  Militia  barrel  on it.  I fill to 3100 psi and the 15 grain and the 18 grain JSBs shoot less than .2 inch 5 shot groups at 25 yds. 50 yd groups hover around .5 to.7 at 50 yds. Some better than .5 inch on a windless day. The 15 grain is going 930s fps and the 18 grain is about
900 fps. Shot count for a fill really not worthy and accuracy falls off about 2300 psi. The down side to a Marmot  Militia  barrel is cleaning. 100 to 125 shots and cleaning is a must with tight patches.  Accuracy  is better if i don't  lube the pellets. Some people say they went through 2 and 3 crossman barrels  before they got a good one. It sounds like you got a bad barrel but crossman barrels are real cheap.

My experience was the same.  Bought my 22 cal Marauder in Dec 2016 and shot several pellets.   HN 21 grain in 5.53 were the best 3/8 inch at 15 yds.  Crosman pellets 3/4 inch at 15 yds, awful.   I gave up and order MMHF barrel also, now 1/8 inch at 15 yds with JSb 18 grains.  18 grains at 820,  15.9 grains at 860 fps.    I now shoot paint balls off golf tees at 40 yds  12 for 12 today after work...just to see it do it!
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Dbez1 on March 27, 2017, 11:34:13 PM
Just out of curiosity, why the Marmont as opposed to a LW barrel?  Cost? Availability?  Which would be more accurate?  Just interested but paint balls at 40 yards sounds impressive to me though.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: K.O. on March 27, 2017, 11:35:35 PM
Me I would love it if Crosman made the .22 barrel  .5" not .4375...

Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: EthanEF on March 27, 2017, 11:57:55 PM
Just out of curiosity, why the Marmont as opposed to a LW barrel?  Cost? Availability?  Which would be more accurate?  Just interested but paint balls at 40 yards sounds impressive to me though.
All the reading I did said the MMHF looked like the one to go with.  It was drop in replacement and all the reviews I saw were positive.   My results match those of many others with MMHF.      I'm sure the LW barrels are good also I just never saw an easy place to order one for drop in replacement to factory barrel.   Very happy with the performance of the MMHF barrel.   It was accurate immediately after I installed it.    I lube with FP10 as recommended and its good for 200 shots before cleaning.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Dbez1 on March 28, 2017, 12:15:47 AM
Just out of curiosity, why the Marmont as opposed to a LW barrel?  Cost? Availability?  Which would be more accurate?  Just interested but paint balls at 40 yards sounds impressive to me though.
All the reading I did said the MMHF looked like the one to go with.  It was drop in replacement and all the reviews I saw were positive.   My results match those of many others with MMHF.      I'm sure the LW barrels are good also I just never saw an easy place to order one for drop in replacement to factory barrel.   Very happy with the performance of the MMHF barrel.   It was accurate immediately after I installed it.    I lube with FP10 as recommended and its good for 200 shots before cleaning.
Thanks.  That answers my question.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: tracker1955 on March 28, 2017, 08:07:28 PM
Have seen it, shot it, but don't have one, but would if I could afford it, and I have a good marauder barrel, they're just that much better.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: triggertreat on March 28, 2017, 09:12:24 PM
For me the MMHF barrel is one I can count on.  With no flyers every shot can be counted on.  Just last week I made head shots on large birds in the 60 yard range two days in a row.  Many other head shots on smaller birds in the 35 yard range.  When I shoot multiple groups at 25 yards the pellets stack on top of each other.


I don't have to use a barrel band o-ring anymore due to a thick 1/2" OD of rifle steel.  The crown is cut by a pro airgunner that also tests and guarantees 1 MOA at 60 yards.  The barrel is specifically made for an excellent pellet (JSB 18.1gn).


I'm really nervous about buying another gun without it.  The required frequent cleanings is not as bad as I read about.


I do run my tunes within 2% or lower ES which also adds to the consistency. Shooting a full 30 to 40 shot string the POI stays near the same.  I don't worry about which shot I'm on or the fill pressure just when my last mag runs out.  I learned how much lube to use on the pellets and there is no need to lube the barrel beforehand. Too much lube works against you.


I would not hesitate to order this barrel unless you want to shoot hard lead pellets like the H&N 21.14gn.  Hard lead pellets will foul this tight barrel and will require frequent cleanings.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: TerryH on March 28, 2017, 11:38:28 PM
For me the MMHF barrel is one I can count on.  With no flyers every shot can be counted on.  Just last week I made head shots on large birds in the 60 yard range two days in a row.  Many other head shots on smaller birds in the 35 yard range.  When I shoot multiple groups at 25 yards the pellets stack on top of each other.


I don't have to use a barrel band o-ring anymore due to a thick 1/2" OD of rifle steel.  The crown is cut by a pro airgunner that also tests and guarantees 1 MOA at 60 yards.  The barrel is specifically made for an excellent pellet (JSB 18.1gn).


I'm really nervous about buying another gun without it.  The required frequent cleanings is not as bad as I read about.


I do run my tunes within 2% or lower ES which also adds to the consistency. Shooting a full 30 to 40 shot string the POI stays near the same.  I don't worry about which shot I'm on or the fill pressure just when my last mag runs out.  I learned how much lube to use on the pellets and there is no need to lube the barrel beforehand. Too much lube works against you.


I would not hesitate to order this barrel unless you want to shoot hard lead pellets like the H&N 21.14gn.  Hard lead pellets will foul this tight barrel and will require frequent cleanings.

Hey Keith. How often are you cleaning it and how are you doing it?
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: triggertreat on March 29, 2017, 12:36:51 AM
For me the MMHF barrel is one I can count on.  With no flyers every shot can be counted on.  Just last week I made head shots on large birds in the 60 yard range two days in a row.  Many other head shots on smaller birds in the 35 yard range.  When I shoot multiple groups at 25 yards the pellets stack on top of each other.


I don't have to use a barrel band o-ring anymore due to a thick 1/2" OD of rifle steel.  The crown is cut by a pro airgunner that also tests and guarantees 1 MOA at 60 yards.  The barrel is specifically made for an excellent pellet (JSB 18.1gn).


I'm really nervous about buying another gun without it.  The required frequent cleanings is not as bad as I read about.


I do run my tunes within 2% or lower ES which also adds to the consistency. Shooting a full 30 to 40 shot string the POI stays near the same.  I don't worry about which shot I'm on or the fill pressure just when my last mag runs out.  I learned how much lube to use on the pellets and there is no need to lube the barrel beforehand. Too much lube works against you.


I would not hesitate to order this barrel unless you want to shoot hard lead pellets like the H&N 21.14gn.  Hard lead pellets will foul this tight barrel and will require frequent cleanings.

Hey Keith. How often are you cleaning it and how are you doing it?


I run a bore snake through it with the brass bristles removed every approximately 200 shots or so.  Not because I'm having accuracy issues but is just my routine. I could wait until I'm having accuracy issues but don't because it's just easy to do.  I only shoot soft lead pellets lubed with FP-10.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: TerryH on March 29, 2017, 01:29:03 AM
For me the MMHF barrel is one I can count on.  With no flyers every shot can be counted on.  Just last week I made head shots on large birds in the 60 yard range two days in a row.  Many other head shots on smaller birds in the 35 yard range.  When I shoot multiple groups at 25 yards the pellets stack on top of each other.


I don't have to use a barrel band o-ring anymore due to a thick 1/2" OD of rifle steel.  The crown is cut by a pro airgunner that also tests and guarantees 1 MOA at 60 yards.  The barrel is specifically made for an excellent pellet (JSB 18.1gn).


I'm really nervous about buying another gun without it.  The required frequent cleanings is not as bad as I read about.


I do run my tunes within 2% or lower ES which also adds to the consistency. Shooting a full 30 to 40 shot string the POI stays near the same.  I don't worry about which shot I'm on or the fill pressure just when my last mag runs out.  I learned how much lube to use on the pellets and there is no need to lube the barrel beforehand. Too much lube works against you.


I would not hesitate to order this barrel unless you want to shoot hard lead pellets like the H&N 21.14gn.  Hard lead pellets will foul this tight barrel and will require frequent cleanings.

Hey Keith. How often are you cleaning it and how are you doing it?


I run a bore snake through it with the brass bristles removed every approximately 200 shots or so.  Not because I'm having accuracy issues but is just my routine. I could wait until I'm having accuracy issues but don't because it's just easy to do.  I only shoot soft lead pellets lubed with FP-10.

Thanks Keith.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on April 27, 2017, 09:52:03 PM
Just wanted to update so others can have this info just like I had from others. I now have my Marmot Militia barrel and have shot about 250 shots through it. This is now the gun I was hoping for. I can consistently shoot 1/2" to 5/8" groups at 35 yds. I do back the shroud off 1/4 turn as advised by others and it does help keep POI from day to day. The only problem is the Starlings no not to land here now. All their buddies are gone.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on April 27, 2017, 09:55:08 PM
Oh forgot to mention. I shot about 15 different pellets through it and by far the JSB 18.1 gr. pellets do the best so that is all I shoot in it.
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: Smaug2 on April 28, 2017, 12:59:42 AM
Just wanted to update so others can have this info just like I had from others. I now have my Marmot Militia barrel and have shot about 250 shots through it. This is now the gun I was hoping for. I can consistently shoot 1/2" to 5/8" groups at 35 yds. I do back the shroud off 1/4 turn as advised by others and it does help keep POI from day to day. The only problem is the Starlings no not to land here now. All their buddies are gone.

Just put out some suet feeders for the woodpeckers, and the yellabeaks will be back.

Spread some cheap bird seed on the ground on a safe shooting area. Dark-eyed Juncos and cardinals love it, and you will have to defend that from the pest birds.

Not that you NEED to hit them harder, but when you're in the mood for something new, try a small 250 or 300 tin of H&N Baracuda Hunters. (not Extremes) They're heavy enough and close enough to dome-shaped that they'll probably still shoot well, and MAN do they hit hard! If you're hitting a starling with 20 FPE, the bird probably only takes 5 of that, and the rest goes into the dirt behind him. With expanding ammo, more of it goes into the game.

My Compatto in .177 with Baracuda Hunters (17 FPE) hits as hard as my .22 cal. 28 FPE Hammerli 850 with domes. When they land, you can hear it: "WHOCK!" I've had some marginal shots on squirrel heads with them that have jawed them and been fatal, but with lower power and domes, they ran off with a broken jaw and starved for a week or so. With higher power and Baracuda hunters, a rearward jaw shot is as good as a brain shot.

By the way, my Marauder Pistol with its stock barrel was a big disappointment too. I was about to put the gun away with the intent to buy a Marmot Militia barrel later, when I lucked into someone who gave me his old OEM barrel, which happened to be a good one. Now, it is laying waste to my backyard varmints. It's only songbirds left now, with the occasional intruder, who soon gets drilled.

The English Sparrows in my neighborhood learned pretty fast. I hammered about a dozen of them last year and maybe 3 this year. Now, around the neighborhood, I can hear them and see them, but they steer clear of my yard. (which is just what I wanted. ;) )
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: StarlingChaser on May 05, 2017, 11:46:49 PM
Ya I live just in between town and farm land so I get starlings going back and forth. I am well over 100 of them for the year so far. The 18.1 JSB`s drop them like a rock. Most of my shots are 30-50 yds. and up 40 degrees so I actually hold under about 1 1/2 mil dots. with my scope sighted in at 35 yds. I am torn, I know they need to be thinned out but hate when there are not as many targets around. 
Title: Re: My new marauder and new to this level of airguns.
Post by: rockmike on May 06, 2017, 02:24:51 PM
Glad you m rod is shooting better,the HF barrel is amazing on these rifles.

You familiar with the head bob technique to know your paralax is set right? after I messed with the head bob tech and really got my paralax dialed my synrod shoots awesome.35 yds is one ragged hole if I can get the shakes out.Im just about to the point where the synrod is boring me its just to easy to hit anything inside of 60 yards.I was beheading lil plastic army guys at 40 yards the other night.

Paralax solid! no movement with a head bob.

MDS hammer!

Reg.

and I feel like the barrel band set screw is a excellant addition,keeps my synrod very consistent,never any issure with POI after that lil gadget.

happy shooting.