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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => "Bob and Lloyds Workshop" => Topic started by: rsterne on March 01, 2012, 03:55:40 PM
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First of all, this is NOT my idea, I stole it from Slavia over on the AirGunHome Forum.... It was such a simple idea that I simply HAD to try it, and it worked like a charm.... This was the prototype, I have since made a more permanent one and I'll use it any time I want to test a springer from the bench, for example in finding the most accurate pellet....
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Springers/SpringerBenchRestRoller.jpg)
It is a small paint roller that can rotate on an axle.... The forearm of the springer is laid across the roller, and when the gun is fired, it is free to move fore and aft with the recoil.... I used my left hand under the butt, and held the gun lightly into my shoulder with my right hand which had a relaxed grip on the wrist of the stock.... I shot the two 10-shot groups inside at a distance of 20 feet, using H&N 14.7 gr. FTT pellets, which are the favourite of my B-26.... The results speak for themselves.... The top group was from sandbags, the lower group shot off the roller.... I'm convinced !!!
Bob
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Whoa, awesome. I made a couple of bags from a homedic microbead pillow and got great results too. Amazing what a proper hold will do...
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I've tried various bags.... also tried cradling the forearm in my hand with my hand or wrist resting on a bag.... This worked better than anything I have tried before with a springer....
Bob
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OK...where did you get the axle?
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It's just a piece of 1/4" brass rod, and I drilled the ends of the roller out to rotate freely on it.... In my "final" version the axle is mounted firmly in holes in plywood side pieces.... That cradle was for rotating scopes to check the optical center.... just a mock-up....
Bob
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First of all, this is NOT my idea, I stole it from Slavia over on the AirGunHome Forum.... It was such a simple idea that I simply HAD to try it, and it worked like a charm.... This was the prototype, I have since made a more permanent one and I'll use it any time I want to test a springer from the bench, for example in finding the most accurate pellet....
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Springers/SpringerBenchRestRoller.jpg)
It is a small paint roller that can rotate on an axle.... The forearm of the springer is laid across the roller, and when the gun is fired, it is free to move fore and aft with the recoil.... I used my left hand under the butt, and held the gun lightly into my shoulder with my right hand which had a relaxed grip on the wrist of the stock.... I shot the two 10-shot groups inside at a distance of 20 feet, using H&N 14.7 gr. FTT pellets, which are the favourite of my B-26.... The results speak for themselves.... The top group was from sandbags, the lower group shot off the roller.... I'm convinced !!!
Bob
Bob,
I am definitely going to try this out !
Dave
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The KISS principle at work.... and MAN does it work!!!
Bob
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Thanks for posting this. I gotta try it too.
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Dang! This is great and can be used in many configurations. I think that I'll try to make one like this with a thick layer of egg-crate foam rubber wrapped around a dowel and covered with cloth.
Thanks for the idea!
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I just use My rucksak..
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Man thats an awesome idea! I gots me a ball bearing roller from a vacuum cleaner that busted that i can use for that.
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Great idea, Going to try that. I'm using a wood T with a piece of foam pipe insulation pulled over the edge.
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Cool! I can now throw that old smelly pillow away on top of my BBQ pit. Old Grandad served me well over the years with just a pillow on top and a loose hold.
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Excellent platform to start creating ideas from.... Thanks
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Another great idea I gotta try, thanks, Bob !
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rsterne im gonna get you for stealing hhaa haha haha i seen it and was goin to try it also looks like it will work fine
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8) Ok hold em rite there, don't make a move or you'll get whats coming to you see..
Whats the bright Ideal , Who started all this, its ten to twenty in the slammer for you,
its curtains pal.
lights out.. one step closer and its over done finished, ut ut raise your hand up slow where I can count the hairs. don't blink either or it be your last.
now drop it. and all I have to say is.
great Ideal kid, thanks for mentioning it, I am sure you be getting a medal for this, yeah yeah that's it a medal. see
lol ;) very cool i AM DEFINITELY GOING TO MAKE ONE / SIMPLICITY WINS AGAIN
I am sticking with his plan using a roller or maybe pipe insulation around a roller we will experament..
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It's great to see examples of creative thinking applied to shooting - finding new uses for familiar objects to help us get better results. I shall definitely try this idea out as a zeroing rest. It will be interesting to see how well it works when shooting further out e.g. at 35 yards. Also, to see what happens to the POI when we switch from the 'roller' to shooting off-hand. Thanks for sharing the idea.
My current zeroing rest is a wooden platform fixed to a cheap, lightweight camera tripod. I put a small bag filled with rice on top of the board and put my hand on top of that. The gun (a springer) rests on the heel of my hand. It gives a very stable shooting platform. See photo:
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It's great to see examples of creative thinking applied to shooting - finding new uses for familiar objects to help us get better results. I shall definitely try this idea out as a zeroing rest. It will be interesting to see how well it works when shooting further out e.g. at 35 yards. Also, to see what happens to the POI when we switch from the 'roller' to shooting off-hand. Thanks for sharing the idea.
My current zeroing rest is a wooden platform fixed to a cheap, lightweight camera tripod. I put a small bag filled with rice on top of the board and put my hand on top of that. The gun (a springer) rests on the heel of my hand. It gives a very stable shooting platform. See photo:
Please post your results, I'm very curious.
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I built one of these rests today out of some wood scraps. I did a variation that allows for several vertical adjustments. This simple rest is really quite useful. I am still fiddling with it and plan to compare it with my MTM Predator rest.
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Excellent idea.... My Mk2 version has proper sides for the axle and I'll just put wooden blocks under it to adjust the height.... I like the adjustable version you made, though....
Bob
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Wow- very cool- thanks for posting! :)
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Excellent idea.... My Mk2 version has proper sides for the axle and I'll just put wooden blocks under it to adjust the height....
Bob
I built one, and I must say it works! I did learn some things along the way -- I had to raise mine up to get it to the height I needed, and I initially made the mistake of just sticking a small cardboard box under it... BAD MOVE! That made the rest too "bouncy" and the groups suffered. As soon as I changed to a solid base, the groups tightened up beautifully! (5 shots in one ragged 1/4" hole at 10 yards...)
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I'm the Slavia that Bob "stole" the idea from - except you can't steal something that was offered freely in the first place. it makes me happy to see where you guys have taken the idea. Just for laughs, here's the Slaviamatic MKI (prototype). Even RCTrax05's cardboard box is a step up in craftsmanship.
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I'm the Slavia that Bob "stole" the idea from - except you can't steal something that was offered freely in the first place. it makes me happy to see where you guys have taken the idea. Just for laughs, here's the Slaviamatic MKI (prototype). Even RCTrax05's cardboard box is a step up in craftsmanship.
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Thats so cool something simple, love the results I'll be making one for sure 8)
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HEY, Uncle Slavia.... Welcome to the GTA !!!
Bob
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LOL that is funny Slavia. I must of stole your idea about 5 years ago.. :) Telescoping rest...
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I find it a real pain when someone thinks like this. Its the sort of thing that makes you say, "why didn't I think of that?"
I doff my hat to guys, thank you.
Oh, and wheres the paint rollers?????? a project for this evening I think
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I find it a real pain when someone thinks like this. Its the sort of thing that makes you say, "why didn't I think of that?"
I doff my hat to guys, thank you.
Oh, and wheres the paint rollers?????? a project for this evening I think
Hi Gary check page 1 of this post for rollers // this is page two
Mike
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HEY gene.... is that a roller?.... had to tell from the photos....
Bob
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HEY gene.... is that a roller?.... had to tell from the photos....
Bob
:D 8)
I am a plumber I would say gene does not have the roller on his stand but a glued together / or dry fitted pvc pipe, with cut pieces of foam pipe insulation slipped around the inner area. his would not have any movement. still a nice ideal
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No it is not a roller and like Mike said it is pipe insulation. I found that it let the forestock move during the rcoil. I never hold my forestock tight on my springers and generally let it move without holding it. The paint roller system is a much nicer idea thougth.
Gene
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This idea was worth trying. Here's my screwed and glued knock-down version.
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Can't keep a good ideal down ... a worthy resurrection of a long past thread (http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/smilies/toast.gif)
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Great idea! I really like that and will build me one when we get back home this fall. ;D
ITMT, I'll continue to lay a soft frictionless cloth on both my {heavy} Caldwell Rock front rest and on my Protector rear bag. My HW50S wants no resistance no where....including from my cheek.
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That is a really great rest!
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;D I do something similar with a bar clamp and a paint roller hung off a utility shelf in my basement helps to steady my shaky aim to much coffee and way too old to be playing with "toy" guns the words of wisdom from a PB shooter not me when I brought a quarter to work that had been shot dead center with my RWS 54 (.22) the quarter was totally dished also brought one of my recent targets to work as proof of accuracy
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Cool setup, gonna have to build one for testing springers...
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That is a great idea! Now, I need to made 2 of then, one for me and one for my son.
For me, this is a very timely thread. I'm just now completing a shooting rest built on a 4 foot fiber grass step ladder. It is a stand beside and shoot design. It is stable and knocks down for transport and storage. If I ever get my wife's photo program figured out, I'll post a photo.
Bob H.
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Cool setup, gonna have to build one for testing springers...
Not just testing like it better than the way I set it up off of my storage shelf. Prettier and much more versatile for bench shooting. Will build one at my friends shop
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NOOB Question:
How does using this help when you take the gun to the field and have to hold it in your hands? Won't the POI be different? Do you only shoot bench rest?
Jon
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Noob reply , Any tool that allows you to explore the potential accuracy of your chosen rifle also allows you to explore the possibility that your technique and not the rifle needs to be worked on
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It is also a valuable tool to determine what pellet(s) your rifle likes while taking the way you hold it out of the equation as much as possible.... It will also show you what kind of accuracy your gun is capable of, and give you a goal to "shoot" for when practicing in the "real world"....
Bob
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I missed this thread the first couple of time s around. glad I didn't miss it this time.
Great Idea, and I love the way it has been improved along the way.
Good job guys.
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Nice.. real nice. If I get a springer one day again.. I will remember this idea.
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Went to walmart last night looking at paint rollers, none of them had the plastic end caps unless you bought the handle too, is that what yall did and then threw away the handle?
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Noob reply , Any tool that allows you to explore the potential accuracy of your chosen rifle also allows you to explore the possibility that your technique and not the rifle needs to be worked on
Well Said !
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Went to walmart last night looking at paint rollers, none of them had the plastic end caps unless you bought the handle too, is that what yall did and then threw away the handle?
Yup buy a cheap roller handle, remove clip on end so you can slide off the caps .... shove em onto the roller and then using a wood dowel, all thread or what ever you devise ? ... your set.
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It is also a valuable tool to determine what pellet(s) your rifle likes while taking the way you hold it out of the equation as much as possible.... It will also show you what kind of accuracy your gun is capable of, and give you a goal to "shoot" for when practicing in the "real world"....
What I thought the instant I saw this. I will be building one this weekend.
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Went to walmart last night looking at paint rollers, none of them had the plastic end caps unless you bought the handle too, is that what yall did and then threw away the handle?
I already had an old 4" roller and handle so I just bored out the plastic on the fixed end cap and pulled both caps off and tossed the handle. Went to big box and bought a 1/4" x 2' rod and then did a design. I've got 2 rubber faucet washers and some steel washers on the shaft to keep the roller from moving axially on the shaft or between the cradle frames. Fortunately I had some left over Bruce flooring and some misc. oak thanks to hurricane Hugo. To get the cradle to move up and down freely, you have to be somewhat precise, especially when you are gluing. The whole thing has to be stable and this happily is.
It's fun work and the unit works great!
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WOW!!! This really works! I am the biggest skeptic and thought it was a hairbrain idea, but I also have 2 hold-sensitive springers and got frustrated again this morning so I made a roller rest. Look at my groups!
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/wds3r/paintrollerrestgroups_zpsc329d9dc.jpg)
(http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/wds3r/direct%20link/5A039219-C9BA-4F5E-ABAB-D1424B9FA5C9-12803-00001263D1D555F3_zps453f7cb1.jpg)
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WOW!!! This really works!
Same here, bro. I had seen Bob's post (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=48863.0) a few months ago but put off making one. After making one yesterday, I'm just mad at myself for not trying it sooner.
I like how you posted some before and after. It's pretty exciting isn't it? What rifle were you using?
[edit] Oh, I see you have a Beeman R9. Nice rifle! [/edit]
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I put my forward hand on the base of the roller support.
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I only grip the pistol grip with my firing hand, the other hand rests on the table or my lap.
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so let me see if i learned. forward hand grabbing the support of the roller, other hand on gun (trigger) and... wepon rested on the roller?
You got it. Also, I try to rest the rifle such that it is pretty much on its balance point. That is how my particular rifle, a Beeman RS2, shot best with the artillery hold and it seems to work with the roller as well.
Other fine points include a firm hold with my trigger hand, and with the buttpad lightly shouldered. Different rifles may have different preferences so you may want to experiment.
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I use a rolled up towel over here, about a 16" roll with rubber bands on the ends to keep it tight/together, works great.
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Built one. I must just not have it. 4-5 MOA groups with the paint roller (near or far or on the balance point) at 30 yds, 3-4 MOA groups with the bag. The Caldwell bag still works better for me at this point. TX200, .22 cal.
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This is what I have been using. The socks are filled with corn cob media which I picked up at a pet store. The smaller one under the back of the stock can be squeezed or released to raise or lower the gun. I also have caldwell shooting bags and this works much better!
I have a several rollers in the garage so I am going the give that a whirl also.
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n546/1216bandit/north%20carolina/air%20rifles/IMGP6157_zps2625eb49.jpg) (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/1216bandit/media/north%20carolina/air%20rifles/IMGP6157_zps2625eb49.jpg.html)
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;) I think that it may make a bigger difference with the break barrel guns, but if you just at forestock to rest there an a steading rest point and brace the stock lightly with your lead hand
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I thought I had some paint rollers, but apparently I don't. I ended up using a 1" dowel and put on a 1/2 roll of toilet paper. Worked great, but I'm going to replace the toilet paper with a paint roller.
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I tried this and it works great, I used my Crosman Vantage with a factory spring that is hold sensitive and its like a new gun. Here is the set up that I came up with. This is at 50ft.
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i use a wooden rolling pin for baking, no buffer.....straight wood to wood. rearward recoil is 1/4 inch forward is hard to tell. works great. not for hunting or anything but tight group testing. nothing between the forearm and pin.
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na, springers are almost all about the same. they need to be lightly grabed, even with the triger finger. and balance point give you more steady on gun when trying to aim to target
Nuno, you got me thinking about the grip with my trigger hand so I tried some groups with a light hold. The POI shifted, which was expected and okay, but unfortunately my group sizes doubled on average. Not sure why that is. Maybe because it's a $115 springer, I suppose.
In any case, this experiment is just another reminder that consistency is everything when it comes to springers.
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Just curious, is anyone selling this things? Like a well fabricated adjustable version?
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Just curious, is anyone selling this things? Like a well fabricated adjustable version?
From what I see this is all home fabrication just various skill levels ;D
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Just curious, is anyone selling this things? Like a well fabricated adjustable version?
From what I see this is all home fabrication just various skill levels ;D
Might be a good idea for some of the finer craftsman here....
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Just curious, is anyone selling this things? Like a well fabricated adjustable version?
From what I see this is all home fabrication just various skill levels ;D
Might be a good idea for some of the finer craftsman here....
Can't get good if you don't try. Before I couldn't spell technician now I are one ;) ;D ;D ;D
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I continue to be amazed at how a paint roller rest has practically transformed the performance of my cheap Beeman RS2. Here are some groups I shot after work the last couple of days. Several at 25 yards and a couple at 42 yards. At 25 yards, I'm getting in the vicinity of 0.5" groups with a couple of freak 0.2" - 0.3" groups. At 42 yards, it's more like 0.75". I love it!
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Here's a PVC version I just made for my brother & his very hold sensitive RWS 48 .177:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M8cjmg9byLg/Uc8Itj6CEyI/AAAAAAAAAcs/UnntJt8i9Zg/w478-h670-no/PVC+Shooting+Rest+1.jpg)
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Here's my version.....
I'm new to all this but I can tell you one thing........it works!
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7301/9168675649_d7052e46d2_z.jpg)
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Wow- quite impressive, and I really like the construction of the rest. Thanks for the ideas. :)
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Great ideas but I'm afraid if my wife sees me with one of these with the paint roller she's gonna think I'm gonna paint the whole house. And I hate to paint. Haha
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Here's a PVC version I just made for my brother & his very hold sensitive RWS 48 .177:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M8cjmg9byLg/Uc8Itj6CEyI/AAAAAAAAAcs/UnntJt8i9Zg/w478-h670-no/PVC+Shooting+Rest+1.jpg)
Springer, what size pipe did you use?
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Looks like a paper towel holder or piano (toiletpaper) paper holder with screw adjustable legs would work too. Fine adjustments: Remove a few sheets of paper.... ;D
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Here's a PVC version I just made for my brother & his very hold sensitive RWS 48 .177:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M8cjmg9byLg/Uc8Itj6CEyI/AAAAAAAAAcs/UnntJt8i9Zg/w478-h670-no/PVC+Shooting+Rest+1.jpg)
Springer, what size pipe did you use?
3/4" schedule 40 for all but the roller which was 1" schedule (?) (it was lighter weight than the 3/4").
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That is just way too much cutting and glueing....
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That is just way too much cutting and glueing....
;D Maybe it's a takedown version no glue ;) ;)
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That is just way too much cutting and glueing....
;D Maybe it's a takedown version no glue ;) ;)
If this is in reference to the PVC version, I used a miter saw with the standard blade so the cutting was easy & relatively quick. Gluing was actually the easy part. And all but the two horizontal cross pieces & one end of the roller section have been glued so it can be taken down into a relatively flat package & the roller replaced if necessary.
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That is just way too much cutting and glueing....
;D Maybe it's a takedown version no glue ;) ;)
If this is in reference to the PVC version, I used a miter saw with the standard blade so the cutting was easy & relatively quick. Gluing was actually the easy part. And all but the two horizontal cross pieces & one end of the roller section have been glued so it can be taken down into a relatively flat package & the roller replaced if necessary.
It's what works best for you someone else built a spring compressor that looked like art and furniture all at the same time mine is a 4ft pipe clamp with some cut pieces of sheet rubber gasket material to protect the rifle it works quite well ;D ;D
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I made mine with a small roller and drilled one hole every inch for 8 inches for lots of adjustment.
Not sure if you can see in this pic...I cropped it into another pic so maybe better.
(http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s560/mooseslayerjc/bth_bench2_zpscc6d3dc1.jpg)
(http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s560/mooseslayerjc/bth_a5eb2a33-25bd-4100-a4e7-e1b79b3eb583_zpsc76a9440.jpg?t=1372868508)
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That is just way too much cutting and glueing....
;D Maybe it's a takedown version no glue ;) ;)
If this is in reference to the PVC version, I used a miter saw with the standard blade so the cutting was easy & relatively quick. Gluing was actually the easy part. And all but the two horizontal cross pieces & one end of the roller section have been glued so it can be taken down into a relatively flat package & the roller replaced if necessary.
It's what works best for you someone else built a spring compressor that looked like art and furniture all at the same time mine is a 4ft pipe clamp with some cut pieces of sheet rubber gasket material to protect the rifle it works quite well ;D ;D
My aim was to build something lightweight & fairly portable & I think I achieved that. The idea of transporting 'furniture' from place to place doesn't appeal to me. :-)
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I see a lot of folks building rests but I want to see some groups.
Don't you guys like to show off? ;D
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Nice rest John.
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I see a lot of folks building rests but I want to see some groups.
Don't you guys like to show off? ;D
Several people have if I'm not mistaken
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You're right, just hardly any of those who have built one recently. I was stunned at how well it worked so I want to see how folks are getting along with theirs.
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I see a lot of folks building rests but I want to see some groups.
Don't you guys like to show off? ;D
Several people have if I'm not mistaken
mine is just a paint roller stuck on a spring clamp shaft and clamped to a storage shelf in my basement at 34ft to target
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Now that is cool. Gonna make one before my B-26 arrives.
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I can do this one, too.
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You're right, just hardly any of those who have built one recently. I was stunned at how well it worked so I want to see how folks are getting along with theirs.
I initially had GREAT results with mine, but recently realized my groups were becoming more erratic (even after ruling our the usual variables such as cleaning/stock screws, etc). What I realized is that the nap of my roller had flattened down over time (a couple thousand shots will do that ;D ) thus changing the original feel of the rest from a softer nap to a pretty firm compressed nap. In fact the inner support of the roller has springy little rods that keep the roller from totally collapsing and I think these were then getting involved in the equation.
I haven't replaced my roller yet but curious if anybody also had great results go downhill over time?
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You're right, just hardly any of those who have built one recently. I was stunned at how well it worked so I want to see how folks are getting along with theirs.
I initially had GREAT results with mine, but recently realized my groups were becoming more erratic (even after ruling our the usual variables such as cleaning/stock screws, etc). What I realized is that the nap of my roller had flattened down over time (a couple thousand shots will do that ;D ) thus changing the original feel of the rest from a softer nap to a pretty firm compressed nap. In fact the inner support of the roller has springy little rods that keep the roller from totally collapsing and I think these were then getting involved in the equation.
I haven't replaced my roller yet but curious if anybody also had great results go downhill over time?
Aren't paint rollers washable and/or should we be considering foam insulation over/around the chosen PVC pipe axle? :-\
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I built two different versions of the Paint Roller rest. They worked, but for me... my old rolled up sleeping bag is giving me better groups. I'll try some more and see if things change.
Snakebite
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In addition to my paint roller I also build a stand out of wood and it holds a 6" length of pool noodle. I use the pool noodle just like the paint roller and I'm thinking it is going to compress less and hold up better. We'll see...
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Decided I needed to try one of these so I built one for a tripod. Used a 3 inch PVC coupler with a little trimmed off one side (to allow it to open). Heated it in an oven at 210 deg for about 10 minutes (be careful since if it gets too hot it will put off toxic fumes). Then stretched it open enough to get a 2X4 in it. Added another 2X4 to the back side and clamped it with a large C clamp until it cooled. This gave me the wide flat area. Trimmed the "ears" so that were fairly even. The paint roller is about 1.25 inches in dia and now about 3.5 inches long (originally was 6 inches). When I cut it, I inserted a pice of plastic tubing in the end that did not have the hole for the roller handle in order to keep it straight on the bolt.
I bored a hole in the center of the coupler for a 3 inch bolt to mount to the tripod. I added a washer to the bolt head so it wouldn't pull through easily and a washer and nut on the back side. I had a wood dowel that fit the tripod upright so I bored a vertical hole through it, inserted the rest of the bolt and put a locking nut on the end. The dowel fits tight in the tube.
When it gets warmer, I'll test it.
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Decided I needed to try one of these so I built one for a tripod. Used a 3 inch PVC coupler with a little trimmed off one side (to allow it to open). Heated it in an oven at 210 deg for about 10 minutes (be careful since if it gets too hot it will put off toxic fumes). Then stretched it open enough to get a 2X4 in it. Added another 2X4 to the back side and clamped it with a large C clamp until it cooled. This gave me the wide flat area. Trimmed the "ears" so that were fairly even. The paint roller is about 1.25 inches in dia and now about 3.5 inches long (originally was 6 inches). When I cut it, I inserted a pice of plastic tubing in the end that did not have the hole for the roller handle in order to keep it straight on the bolt.
I bored a hole in the center of the coupler for a 3 inch bolt to mount to the tripod. I added a washer to the bolt head so it wouldn't pull through easily and a washer and nut on the back side. I had a wood dowel that fit the tripod upright so I bored a vertical hole through it, inserted the rest of the bolt and put a locking nut on the end. The dowel fits tight in the tube.
When it gets warmer, I'll test it.
Great idea and execution BUT, unless it's sturdier than mine, the weak link is gonna' be the tripod. Good luck!
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great idea
what about making it with angle on the ROLLERS,with two one one side and one in the middle of the two at a matching angle.this whole gizmo would need to inside of another to adjust,sort of like a vertical drawer with the bottom gone
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great idea
what about making it with angle on the ROLLERS,with two one one side and one in the middle of the two at a matching angle.this whole gizmo would need to inside of another to adjust,sort of like a vertical drawer with the bottom gone
I assume you mean something like: \__/
That would make the unit a lot wider especially if you wanted all of the rollers to actually roll. I used one of those "mini" rollers used for cutting in or touching up. Wanted to keep the size to a minimum. A standard paint roller would have required a lot taller ears which means that the coupler would not have been large enough, so the roller bracket would have to made from something else and probably heavier.
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no, a vee.if it was made with two,twisting could happen."one"angled," two" angled the other way","three"as number "one"
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8) This is why I joined this forum great ideas and willing to share images. Hope I can find an alternative square u shape PVC or similar material, wife will kill me if i cook a PVC pipe in the oven.
Decided I needed to try one of these so I built one for a tripod. Used a 3 inch PVC coupler with a little trimmed off one side (to allow it to open). Heated it in an oven at 210 deg for about 10 minutes (be careful since if it gets too hot it will put off toxic fumes). Then stretched it open enough to get a 2X4 in it. Added another 2X4 to the back side and clamped it with a large C clamp until it cooled. This gave me the wide flat area. Trimmed the "ears" so that were fairly even. The paint roller is about 1.25 inches in dia and now about 3.5 inches long (originally was 6 inches). When I cut it, I inserted a pice of plastic tubing in the end that did not have the hole for the roller handle in order to keep it straight on the bolt.
I bored a hole in the center of the coupler for a 3 inch bolt to mount to the tripod. I added a washer to the bolt head so it wouldn't pull through easily and a washer and nut on the back side. I had a wood dowel that fit the tripod upright so I bored a vertical hole through it, inserted the rest of the bolt and put a locking nut on the end. The dowel fits tight in the tube.
When it gets warmer, I'll test it.
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Here's mine and it does work. It has about 2" of vertical adjustment.
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Hmmmm....... Wouldn't a paper towel holder and a fresh roll work?
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One more view of my roller rest and 25 yard range off of the patio. The back stop is pretty well splintered.
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Hmmmm....... Wouldn't a paper towel holder and a fresh roll work?
I suspect that the weight of the AG would crush/flatten a roll of paper towels in pretty short order. Maybe a swimming pool noodle on a dowel might work? I found my paint roller in the garage. It has a plastic core rather than cardboard; even so, it will require replacement before long.
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I built one of these rests today out of some wood scraps. I did a variation that allows for several vertical adjustments. This simple rest is really quite useful. I am still fiddling with it and plan to compare it with my MTM Predator rest.
That is the idea I had in mind. adjustable
Bill in SC
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Looks nice and light, what was your brothers feedback on accuracy with this rest. Does it tip over when springer is discharged?
Here's a PVC version I just made for my brother & his very hold sensitive RWS 48 .177:
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I haven't seen anything on this in awhile so I thought I'd drag it up for those who may have never seen it. I use a paint roller rest directly under the forearm of my springers with excellent results. I have found some improvement by laying a sponge across the roller and taping it in place. I then rest the gun on the sponge. I get better results than having my hand in there.
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Hey Bob, that is pipe insolation tubes cut in half and glued to the PVC pipe. They were made so the outside of tubes were kinda hard and would allow the stock to move for recoil. I later changed this setup to an adjustable roller like what others here are posting. After so many years of shooting springers and gas rams, I ended up just using a bag. Takes allot of shots to learn how to allow for recoil, and timing of pellet to exit the barrel. And with some springers, depending on power and length of barrels it takes some adjusting to the free style hold I use/artillery hold.
Gene
HEY gene.... is that a roller?.... had to tell from the photos....
Bob
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This works!!
I have a new springer that it still in the breaking in process, about 60 shots so far (this is my first rifle ever). Shooting indoor bench rest at 8 yds with open sights, I was getting flyers with the groups opening up to about 1 inch. On impulse and out of a little frustration I decided to rest the rifle on a roller brush cover with about 3/4 inch nap length. I removed the roller brush cover from the frame and placed it on a chair, then I rested the rifle on the same spot for each shot, using the forestock screws as a guide. I took 10 shots and placed all into 1 ragged hole in the lower half of a 1/2 inch bullseye!!
Now my mind is at ease because I know what the rifle is capable of, up to me now to practice some patience and proper technique.
I'm going to build a permanent roller brush bench rest and try shooting over longer distances.
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I know this thread has been around for a while but I was searching the forum for a home made gun rest and this popped up. What a fantastic idea; can't wait to try it. Since it's been inactive for a while thought I'd bring it back for other noobs like me. Since it's been a while from the first builds, any mods or improvements? Anyone do a version 2 that helped in some way?
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I use a simple trim roller, as shown in the original photo.... although now in an adjustable height frame.... It seems to last a VERY long time, I've never replaced it.... No reason to look for a more complicated or expensive solution, IMO....
Bob
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Same here, it's simple and effective. I use it any time I'm helping someone with a springer, to better evaluate what the rifle is capable of doing, not the manner in which my hold or technique may degrade it. Making the height adjustable is the one thing I would do differently if making a new one.
Otherwise the next upgrade step is a PCP ;D
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Sorry to bring this back up, but I've started to build a rest for my new HW95. I'm wanting to make sure my groups are what the gun will do with certain pellets and also whether it's sighted in, and not just my crappy artillery hold.
1) If this roller is for the forestock end of the gun, what are you all doing with the rear part of the gun?
I'm using open sights, and I have to hold the toe of the butt way up on top of my shoulder just to get the sights lined up... I'm kinda puzzled by that. I did much better on the last target, but it's still pathetic for 20 yards.
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I have to hold the toe of the butt way up on top of my shoulder just to get the sights lined up
Sounds like you need to mount your target further up, or make a shorter roller mount?....
Bob
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Know it is an old thread but it is new to me and just one more thing to help a newb
Thanks Mike
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I have to hold the toe of the butt way up on top of my shoulder just to get the sights lined up
Sounds like you need to mount your target further up, or make a shorter roller mount?....
Bob
Bob, I could be misunderstanding him, but I think he is saying that he is having trouble getting a comfortable cheek weld and line of sight across the iron sights. Comb too high probably.
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What T-Higgs said. The stock just doesn't drop enough, or the sights are too low basically. It would work really well if there was a scope on the thing.
But my question is also about how to hold the butt, if you've allowed for the forestock to move freely on a roller...
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I just hold the gun lightly against my (right) shoulder.... usually with my left hand under the toe of the butt, acting like an adjustable shim.... I find it generally works best with the roller a bit ahead of the balance point of the rifle.... but of course all springers have their own favourite way of being held.... I just found the groups tightened up with the roller.... and as an added benefit the POI was closer to where it is offhand as well....
Bob
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I just hold the gun lightly against my (right) shoulder.... usually with my left hand under the toe of the butt, acting like an adjustable shim.... I find it generally works best with the roller a bit ahead of the balance point of the rifle.... but of course all springers have their own favourite way of being held.... I just found the groups tightened up with the roller.... and as an added benefit the POI was closer to where it is offhand as well....
Bob
So the forestock is balanced on the roller just ahead of the balance point, left hand is under the toe of the butt stock, butt stock lightly resting against your shoulder, and the right hand is pulling the trigger. Is the right hand gripping the pistol grip?
If I'm propping on my elbows, I have the forestock resting lightly on my left hand flat palm on the balance point. When I get the sights lined up, the toe of the butt is high on my shoulder resting lightly, and my right hand cannot rightly grip the pistol grip. I just rest the thumb somewhere on the (*back of the pistol grip) stock to brace the trigger finger, which rests on the trigger and maybe drags slightly on the guard.
This gave me my best groups at 20 yards so far.
I have no bags or roller rest yet.
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Rest your thumb lightly at the top of the stock directly behind the trigger it makes it easier not to twist the rifle
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Rest your thumb lightly at the top of the stock directly behind the trigger it makes it easier not to twist the rifle
That's pretty much what I've been doing on my bench. But I can't seem to get a consistent cheek weld that is light enough, and get the sights lined up and level without canting or yawing left.
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Any chance of making this thread a sticky?
Some real good ideas here.
Thanks,
Jim
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Ok Guys
I just found this post on the roller rest,
Thanks Guys, all the info given is for a springer type AR,
and I am not sure what they are, maybe a break bbl?
As I shoot what is called free style, forearm resting on the front rest, a small squeeze bag under the toe,
which is adjustable for minor height adjustments to align the cross hairs, and the rifle is in free recoil, when fired,
and this goes for PB rifles or rear grip pistol in all calibers etc.
Would this roller type of rest work for any other AR types, like a PCP QB 79 etc?
It would have to be adjustable for heights for use.
Tia,
Don
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I see no reason it should not work for other air rifles.... though there may be no advantage over a bag, or a solid gun rest.... However, springers are unique in their double recoil, and it really helps them.... Height adjustment is easy, just have multiple holes in the side plates for the axle....
Bob
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Thanks Bob
I just happen to have the required lumber setting here for a build,
so I guess I'll get busy building,
along with all the other projects I have going on. ::)
Tia,
Don
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I could never get the hang of the roller rest and I did alot of changing/testing. The gun would always rock a bit to the left or right. Especially hold sensitive guns. Groups tightened nicely when I switched to an eight pound rice bag.
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It's been an eye opener for me to see how badly my Cometa Fusion Gas Piston shot off Caldwell bags... I mean 2+ inch groups at 12 yards!!
I put my hand under the forearm and groups tightened. Did some more shooting and found it likes to be pulled into the shoulder with a gentle grasp of the fore-end.
Definitely want to try this roller tho so I can confirm accuracy potential!
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Here's one of the roller rests I made back then. This one has about 2" vertical adjustment and it is heavy enough to be stable
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Greg
Thank you,
I am not sure which thickness to but,
But I am thinking it should be a dense heavy thick type?
I have to go to Reno on the 18th, for my VA appt, and will pick up what I need there, It will less funds also. ;)
I like the heavy base to hold it in place etc.....
Tia,
Don
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Sorry for the thread revival. Happened upon this when searching for accuracy and pellet info/help. I am having a hard time finding THE pellets for my rifle (HW97k .22). Shooter technique (or lack of) is certainly causing problems.
Are you guys still finding this roller to be a decent tool for helping find a rifle's potential?
Anyone have noticeable results with a 97k?
There's a bunch of missing pictures in the thread (I know it's old, and several image hosting sites have made a mess of things). Anyone have pictures to share of PVC versions?
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I used to carry one of these devices intended to help load a kayak back when I was driving an old Jeep Cherokee... I would suction-cup it right to the hood and shoot from a folding chair. Worked great! It could easily be modded for bench use.
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For what it's worth,
My 97k (.20 cal.) loves H&N FTT's
It will literally print hole in hole at 50yds if I do my part.