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Title: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 02, 2011, 05:29:14 PM
We had the Chrony out today checking out the velocities of our new airsoft guns so I thought I'd see what the old 2200 would do.
I gave this airgun to my FIL back in the 80's and got it back here recently after his passing. It's been in the closet for the better part of 20 years. He used it to take out a few moles in Louisiana.
Ammo Daisy 7922    Don't know what weight they are.

3 Pumps
425
417
424
5 Pumps
523
518
526
10Pumps
640
645
651
15 Pumps
687
682
689

I'm impressed. Wonder where the max is?
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: Bryan Heimann on July 02, 2011, 05:52:22 PM
dang.  looks like she's putting out about as much on 10 as a benji on 8.  considering that's supposed to be the max on both i'd say 640-650 is pretty dang good.  especially if you consider the valve configuration, probe length, etc. of a 2200 i bet that it could be made to shoot even harder with a little work.  then again, good luck getting it back together once it's apart...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 02, 2011, 07:10:54 PM
The advertised weight is 14gr. I pulled out the old power scale and the average weight was 13.5gr.
Air Hunter don't plan on taking it apart but I do need to oil her up. Like I said she's been in the closet for about 20 years.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: Joshua A. on July 02, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
thats pretty impressive for an old gun thats been in the closet for 20 years lol. good numbers very good. I've always felt that those guns were tanks. lots of people like those old pumpers. me included.

J.Austin
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 03, 2011, 04:48:05 AM
I like the old pumpers also... My Model 1 (2200) was locked up for 12 years before I got back into airguns...
Title: Re: I like my old 2200M
Post by: Bob on July 03, 2011, 02:53:08 PM
Light, handy, easy to pump and with 6 pumps they put out pleanty of power. I have mine sighted in at 20 yds with 6 pumps. With 4 pumps it hits dead on 15 yds. Theres not enough difference in 6 or 8 pumps to make it worth the effort.

I put 3 big, thick 0-rings on the barrel inside the shroud. Front, middle and by chamber.

Really improved the accuracy. So far it's Daisy Wadcutters. There must be some thing better, have tried CHP's & some old English Minuteman pellets but there no good.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 03, 2011, 10:17:20 PM
I had to make a spacer out of wood at the rear of the barrel because I have the older tapered shroud with the wedge type kink at the bottom... I also noticed that mine likes wadcutters (old crosman copperheads)  better than CPHP's also... I didn't try it with the other pellets that I just got yet...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: Snaab9-2 on July 03, 2011, 11:18:55 PM
Wow - that is really strong!  Most 2100s throw 177 7.9 grain pellets at around 650 fps with 10 pumps... crazy how strong that thing is!

I would be careful putting more than 10 pumps in it - 15 may really be pushing it!
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 04, 2011, 12:32:40 AM
I did some research on it and found that the original silver receiver ones had higher FPS than the newer black receiver guns. I'm going to set up a paper target tomorrow and see how accurate it is. I think I'll being only using 5 pumps for target shooting until I get a quiet tube for it. After that 10 pumps will be max for shooting small game.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 04, 2011, 04:55:15 AM
I've heard that also about the ones with the silver receivers also... 5 Pumps is good for target shooting... That's what I use on mine... Any more and I tear up the my wooden backing...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: Toolmaker on July 04, 2011, 12:04:15 PM
 Those are really good numbers. Before my 2200 (black receiver) died, it only shot 585-595 with CPHP's at 10 pumps. While I was testing it I pumped it to 15 and it only shot 464. Now at 8 pumps it's only shooting 280's. It must have blown a seal at 15 pumps. I haven't yet taken it apart to see.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: Bryan Heimann on July 04, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
there's another gun i'd like to see revamped.  crosman, if you are reading this, bring back the 2200!!  and give it wood this time!!
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: airgunandy on July 04, 2011, 02:51:28 PM
The cheap pumper I'd like to see Crosman revamp is the 66 Powermaster. Back when they had die-cast receivers and rifled barrels they were just like a 2100 (maybe a little less powerful) but without that annoying loading port of the 2100/2200. My old 66 is dead nuts accurate and whole lot easier to load. That loading port of the 2200/2100 is the show stopper for me. I have a 2200 and seldom shoot it. At times it takes me longer to load the pellet than to put 5 or 6 strokes in it. A new 2100/2200 with the open loading breach like the 66 or even a "clip" magazine like the current 760's would be awesome.

Guess I'm the guy they got the term "fat fingered" from.   ;D
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 04, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
Yeah it is sometimes a pain to load.
After doing some things around the house this mourning I made me a 25 yard shooting lane and setup a target. I couldn't shoot for nothing. Need to get me a good rest and do it when it's a little cooler. It's already 95 degrees outside. I may look at getting a better scope too.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 04, 2011, 08:11:10 PM
I just got done shooting my Model 1 (2200) today... I find the domed premiers easiest to work with when loading... If the pellet goes in backward I just push the bolt up a little bit and pull back then the pellet rolls into place.. Works with the 2100 also...

sixshootertexan, do you have a tapered barrel on your 2200?  I found that mine had a problem from the factory where the front sight screw pushed down and deformed the "straw" barrel to where there was a bump in the barrel.. I never really knew about it until recently because I only shot cans and not dimes as a kid... I tried many subtle ways to fix it but I ended up having to find a drill bit that fit perfectly into the barrel, measured down to the depth of the screw deformity, put masking tape on the bit so it would not go down any further, and then I drilled out the bump... Now my Model 1 is really accurate compared to when I first got it out of storage a few months ago...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 04, 2011, 10:46:50 PM
mav72 yes it has a tapered barrel. I never looked at the end of the barrel closely before. Until now. My barrel does not have rifling all the way to the end of the barrel. It is bored back just pass where the sight screw comes thru the barrel. I wonder if some of the first ones passed inspection before they were aware of the problem.  Mine was made 5/81.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 05, 2011, 05:47:25 AM
sixshootertexan : Your rifle is the 1 month older sibling of mine... LOL  Yea, the actual barrel doesn't go all the way to the end... What you see at the tip is a crowned cylinder that's attached to the actual rifled barrel.... The sight screw problem actually occurs close to where the two parts meet, about an 8th of an inch on the barrel side....

The spacer mod that I did for the rear of my tapered barrel was to use a small wooden spool from an arts and crafts store. I cut off the front part of the spool and then use a drill bit to widen the hole to fit the barrel and a pen & dremel to shape the outsides of the spool to fit the shroud in the rear... I did this mod because I noticed that my 2100 actually shoots better with a spacers, aka barrel stabilizers, so I decided to make one for the rear of my Model 1 (2200).... The front of  the tapered barrel 2200 is already stabilized by the metal cylinder so no need for a front...

I haven't had to look down the barrels of many 2200s but I have heard of two other cases of 2200s with a similar problem with the barrel which were discovered when sent to a specialized 2100/2200 tuner...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 05, 2011, 09:08:49 PM
Well I tried to shoot today. I didn't realize how bad the trigger was until I got serious about trying get a tight group. Long creep and very stiff and the scope is awful. Think I'll take it back to Academy and get my money back. Here's a 5 shot group at 25 yards.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 05, 2011, 11:56:46 PM
Hi, how big is that group? I was getting bowling ball sized groups before discovering the screw problem... At first I thought it was just the pellets... After I fixed the problem, I got the groups down to nickels at 10 meters...

Yea, the trigger does creep forever but I grew up on them like that and had gotten used to it... I'm keeping my Model 1 stock though... I did polish the trigger on my AM77 (2100) and got it smooth but nothing can be done about that creep without alteration...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 06, 2011, 12:26:24 AM
Top hole to bottom hole is about 3". I may go thru it and see what I can do. It could be pellets but I'm not going to test a bunch of different ones for a gun of this type.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: Bob on July 06, 2011, 09:28:29 AM
<<<<Top hole to bottom hole is about 3". I may go thru it and see what I can do. It could be pellets but I'm not going to test a bunch of different ones for a gun of this type.>>>>>

Had the same kind of groups with my old '80's 2200M. It hates CHP's and got 3"-4" groups at 20 yds. A little better with some old English Minute Man Pellets and better with Daisy Wad Cutters.
I pulled the barrel out and cleaned up the end and recrowned it. Also added 3 big fat rubber washers along the barrel. This keep the barrel from moving and now with Daisy Wad Cutters I get about 1" at 20 yds and some time get 2-3 pellets in the same hole. Can't expect anything better than that with cheap pellets but I am not spending big bucks on pellets for a plinker.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: cole5169 on July 06, 2011, 10:11:12 AM
Yea, the trigger does creep forever but I grew up on them like that and had gotten used to it... I'm keeping my Model 1 stock though... I did polish the trigger on my AM77 (2100) and got it smooth but nothing can be done about that creep without alteration...

I polished the trigger and sear on my AM77, too.  That and a very thin smear of Moly helped a lot.  I also reshaped the trigger spring (bears on the safety post, too) to make the pull lighter.

I recently bought a Model 1, and I've been having fun with it.  I haven't checked to see if there is any deformation from the screw yet, but I guess I'll have to take a look now.  I have the second variation, is there any difference?

-joel
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: Onebaddj on July 06, 2011, 11:10:31 AM
Ive had a 2200 since i was 16 and she still spits them out in the low 600's with 10 pumps. They are good guns. But after a day of full power shotsman youknow youve been pumping it up.

Not too bad to take apart. Me and my dad took mine apart a few summers ago. Took a little time to get back together cause we put one little peice in backwards and it stopped it from cocking. Once we fiured that out we laughed and had another round. Lol
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 06, 2011, 01:10:47 PM
One other problem that is sometimes created on these types of guns is that some heavy handed person over tightens the allen screw that holds the barrel on the receiver side, deforming the barrel also...

sixshootertexan : Yea I understand about the pellets... I feel the same... As bob mentioned and from what I've also experienced, the 2200 does like them wadcutters. I hope you get that thing shooting good...

Joel: I was trying to figure out what variation that I had but Just couldn't figure it out. I can't even find the Model 1 on the Crosman site. I think the problem is only on the guns with the tapered barrel shroud but I could be wrong... I have an old 766 Phase 2 barrel assembly with the straight shroud of about the same age and it doesn't have that screw problem.

Onebaddj : I think I've gotten used to the pumping. People always ask if I rest before pulling the trigger. LOL It seems like an odd question to me because I never feel tired... The thing you have to remember when you take these types of guns apart is that the hammer spring makes these things explode causing people to loose parts... So when putting it back together, make sure the pump tube is square with the receiver half and the pump arm is supported... Most important, don't be in a hurry...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 06, 2011, 07:10:57 PM
The first digits in the serial number are the date of manufacture. My serial number is on the tube under the forearm. It starts with 581XXXXXX. Yours may start with the first letter of the month. Look for that and then look hear for the DOM.
http://www.crosman.com/airguns/service/dates-crosman (http://www.crosman.com/airguns/service/dates-crosman)

1st variant 78-82
Chrome receiver
2nd variant 82-83
Black receiver straight barrel
3rd variant 83-89
Brown stock and forearm
4th variant 89-present
Straight barrel housing
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 06, 2011, 08:28:37 PM
Ok y'all got me going now. Took it all apart.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 07, 2011, 12:44:04 AM
Thanks sixshootertexan... The thought never occurred to me to just group the Model 1 in together with the 2200s.. It is the same gun after all... So I got a first variant...

Good going... The front part of the barrel on the left of the pic looks familiar where I had my problem... I forgot who I got the tip from on the Crosman forum but you can put shrink tubing on the transfer port to seal it up well...

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: airgunandy on July 07, 2011, 10:38:28 AM
Don't know what pellets you've tried. My 2200 seems to do better with Daisy wadcutters than with Crosman pellets.

Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 07, 2011, 09:22:01 PM
Made a barrel stabilizer for the rear.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 07, 2011, 10:12:30 PM
That's some good stuff! Nice!  :D
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 07, 2011, 10:49:51 PM
Barrels ready.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 07, 2011, 11:13:55 PM
Wow, I'm very impressed now... :o I didn't know you were going all out with it... Can't wait to see it shoot....  ;D
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 08, 2011, 01:03:57 AM
I also went ahead and opened up the end of the barrel. After closely examining it I found the screw not sticking out or making a bulge in the barrel but the counterbore was not concentric with the rifling and possibly causing the pellet to rub one side.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 08, 2011, 07:03:48 AM
Interesting... I'm starting to think that Crosman stopped using the counterbore and the screw on front sight because of the various problems they both caused...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 08, 2011, 10:22:18 PM
Picked up a new scope today while at Academy.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 08, 2011, 11:13:57 PM
Welded a small amount to the tip of the shear to reduce some of the trigger travel.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 09, 2011, 12:49:05 AM
Wow! U da man! Did you also polish the trigger contact points? I'm learning... What's next?  ;D
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 09, 2011, 06:45:03 PM
Yeah I'm polishing all contact surfaces. I went against my better judgement and broke the shear. I was trying to get some of the air gap out from between the trigger and shear and broke it. Got the welder out and welded it back together. Took it down to the shop and remachined the surface. Now I think have about 90% of the unnecessary travel that it had in it out. Something else I noticed was the screw that holds the forearm clamp is binding against the barrel. You can see the wear on the bottom of the barrel.
 
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 09, 2011, 07:59:09 PM
Ok she's all back together. Trigger is much better. No unnecessary movement all you feel is the shear. Pull weight is still high, maybe around 6 or 7 pounds but clean. Maybe will get to shoot later this even. We're getting some much needed rain right now. Not going to complain about that.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 09, 2011, 09:37:37 PM
Last 3 shots first at 6o'clock the other 2 dead center. The rest of the holes were zeroing the scope.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 10, 2011, 12:23:19 AM
Very Nice! At what distance were you shooting from...? I'm putting them in nickles at 10 yards and no scope...

I didn't get to post earlier... How did you resolve the screw binding problem? Did you just leave it or did you thin the screw a little in the area?  I've never noticed if mine has that same issue...

Glad you got it shooting good... Nice work too...  ;D
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 10, 2011, 01:20:07 AM
Distance was 25yds. I placed a small piece of double sided tape just in front of the screw to raise the barrel shroud a little.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 11, 2011, 09:26:33 PM
Shot distance: 38 yards
Target: 10oz empty water bottle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umUhFx19yg0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umUhFx19yg0#)
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 12, 2011, 07:21:17 PM
It looks like you're having a lot of fun with that 2200... The fact that you've done the mods to the gun makes it even sweeter...  It makes me want to go out and shoot my .22 caliber rifles but I'm all out of .22 ammo... I'm waiting on W*lmart to restock their pellets...
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 30, 2011, 10:24:51 PM
After trying 4 different pellets Daisy wadcutters held the best group. 25 yards shooting off sand bags. 1" group. 7shot group with 1 straggler due to shooter error.
Title: Re: Model 2200 Magnum FPS
Post by: mav72 on July 31, 2011, 05:06:53 AM
Nice! So it seems to be unanimous that the 2200 likes wadcutters...