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Title: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Protos on December 28, 2012, 06:50:41 PM
Hi all,

Decided to pull the trigger on a HW95 Luxus.
This will be my first WEIHRAUCH, so I want to make sure I make smart choices. To that end I have some questions.

I have read that new versions

1. Gun no longer has sights on the barrel or provisions for sights.
2. Barrel came with muzzle break already attached.
3. Gun came with two piece scope mounts. Each mount has four screws for the straps and two screws for the dovetail clamp.
4. Piston liner no longer used.
5. Cocking shoe is redesigned to slide on the edges of the receiver slot instead of sliding on a piston liner.
6. There is now a bolt on bracket that contains the stock mounting screw holes and fixed barrel latch detent instead of a barrel latch detent that's permanently mounted to the receiver tube and stock mounting tabs welded to the receiver tube.
7. Rekord trigger with a gold annodized trigger blade instead of the bare aluminium blades of past R9s I've bought.

** Can anyone direct me to a place to purchase these newer HW95 Luxus. Of particular importance is getting a Luxus with the gold trigger.

This will be my first WEIHRAUCH.

Regards,
Pro*
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Petey on December 28, 2012, 08:59:13 PM
Just get  a Beeman R9 Same thing.. just picked this up last week.
Call Steve at Pamona Air Guns. Great guy & great Service.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa347/NPetey/R9_zps772bb537.jpg)
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Protos on December 28, 2012, 09:08:42 PM
Petey may I ask if you have any Beeman stamps on your or is it all Weihrauch markings.
The reason I am looking at the HW is that they seem to be a little cheaper on most sites.


Pro*
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: kelly on December 28, 2012, 09:31:40 PM
Try Airguns of Arizona they have all the new HW's

Kelly
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 28, 2012, 09:45:08 PM
HW95 comes with open sights.   R9 comes with muzzle brake.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Protos on December 28, 2012, 10:03:32 PM
I actually put in an email to Weihrauch to confirm what is going on. Hopefully get a response soon.

The list in the first post is from Ed Canoles on the yellow and he is pretty well respected. So I am slightly confused as to what is available.

Personally I would prefer open sights (nice to have options)
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Petey on December 28, 2012, 10:48:19 PM
Beeman
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 28, 2012, 10:54:59 PM
I actually put in an email to Weihrauch to confirm what is going on. Hopefully get a response soon.

The list in the first post is from Ed Canoles on the yellow and he is pretty well respected. So I am slightly confused as to what is available.

Personally I would prefer open sights (nice to have options)
There are at least 3 different versions currently being sold in the USA--two Weihrauch branded and one Beeman branded.  It doesn't sound like Ed is differentiating between the three.  They are the HW95, HW95 Luxus, and Beeman R9.   

Airguns of Arizona sells both the standard HW95 and the HW95 Luxus.  I'd provide a link but their site is pathetic so just go to the main site and look under Weihrauch.   Pyramyd and Straight Shooters both sell the Beeman R9, which has the gold trigger, muzzle brake, and no option for open sights.  Straight Shooters also sells the plain HW95.

With regards to the internals you'll need to check with the retailer to know exactly what you're getting.  I bought a fairly recent HW95 Luxus (with open sights) and mine has the old style cocking shoe (which is a $5 part that can be swapped out with the new) a piston liner (removed when I installed a Vortek kit) and it has the stock mounting brackets machined onto the compression tube.  Petey's is a recent R9 and has the new style cocking shoe and the detachable mounting bracket for the front stock screws.

To summarize, if you want a muzzle brake and gold trigger you want a Beeman R9.  If you want open sights you want an HW95.  The difference between the HW95 standard and Luxus models is the stock.  The Luxus stock has 4 panel checkering and covers the breech block.  The plain model has a shortened fore stock.

I don't think Weihrauch will be able to tell you which retailer is currently carrying which version of the rifle with regards to internals.  Find the one you want and call the retailer and ask them to verify.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Petey on December 28, 2012, 11:05:43 PM
+1
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 28, 2012, 11:07:49 PM

** Can anyone direct me to a place to purchase these newer HW95 Luxus. Of particular importance is getting a Luxus with the gold trigger.

Pomona, Pyramyd, and StraightShooters (among others) all carry the Beeman R9, which is what you're describing.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: kelly on December 29, 2012, 12:15:13 AM
one other thing to add to jdub's post is the luxus is an ambi stock and the plain 95 is right hand monte carlo style ...

Peace
Kelly
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Protos on December 29, 2012, 08:21:34 AM
GREAT information fellows !
Thanks very very much.

Just so I am fully on top of this, is the gold trigger only available on the Beeman ?
If this is the case would it be very expensive to add a gold trigger to the Weihrauch ?

If the HW95 Luxus has the upgraded ambi stock with 4 panels and the open sites, that sounds like what I am after.  (prefer a gun with HW markings)
Also I definitely want the upgraded internals. I do plan to vortek it eventually, so the piston liner ect are not as important, but the newer barrel detent system sound like something I would want for the future (thus necessitating the newer internals)

So far I have only seen the Luxus on the AoA site.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Mark 611 on December 29, 2012, 10:09:54 AM
Petey or one of you guy's please take plenty of pix of the newer part of these new HW/Beeman guns so I can see what changes they have made on them like the cocking shoe {etc} I have not seen any of the newer guns apart! I know Petey gettin ready to do a tune up on his new R9 ;) so help me out here guys! :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: London177 on December 29, 2012, 11:15:32 AM
Hello there,
I have recently bought an "as new" HW95K Luxus here in England. Mine comes with a gold coloured trigger and adjustment screw. As above it has an ambidextrous stock with extra chequering on the fore stock. In the UK silencers/moderators are legal so it came with a very quiet Weihrauch made one. It needs it too as the barrel is very short at 12" and it would be a pain to cock without the extra lenght it gives.
My rifle has an English made V-Mach tuning kit fitted (spring, seal and guide). It's super smooth and puts out 11.8 ft/lb with .177 RWS Superdomes. I think a US spec' HW95 with be a bit more powerful.
Good luck with your purchase.
Alan
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 29, 2012, 02:12:07 PM
Hello there,
I have recently bought an "as new" HW95K Luxus here in England. Mine comes with a gold coloured trigger and adjustment screw. As above it has an ambidextrous stock with extra chequering on the fore stock. In the UK silencers/moderators are legal so it came with a very quiet Weihrauch made one. It needs it too as the barrel is very short at 12" and it would be a pain to cock without the extra lenght it gives.
My rifle has an English made V-Mach tuning kit fitted (spring, seal and guide). It's super smooth and puts out 11.8 ft/lb with .177 RWS Superdomes. I think a US spec' HW95 with be a bit more powerful.
Good luck with your purchase.
Alan
The UK models are very different than the models imported to the US.  Both the HW95 and R9 have 16" barrels here and barrels threaded for moderators aren't available (unfortunately :)).   And as you noted, the models here are typically in the 13-15 FPE range.

Sounds like you got a winner.  Does yours have the moderator?   I added a Vortek 12 FPE kit to mine and it's also very smooth and not that loud despite the lack of moderator. 
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Petey on December 29, 2012, 02:19:43 PM
Hey Mark,
Here ya go ....I pinched these pictures off the web...Haven't opened my 9 up yet.
I did have the stock off and it matches these photos.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa347/NPetey/NewR9Receiver002-1_zps29945ea4.jpg)

New shoe rides on top of the tube.
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa347/NPetey/hw9520cocking20linkage_new_zps95db38cf.jpg)
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 29, 2012, 02:21:48 PM
GREAT information fellows !
Thanks very very much.

Just so I am fully on top of this, is the gold trigger only available on the Beeman ?
If this is the case would it be very expensive to add a gold trigger to the Weihrauch ?
Aftermarket triggers are available in bronze for sure from Tim E.   I have a setback version on my HW95.  Installation takes about 15 minutes and a punch.  I don't know if Tim has a gold colored trigger pressure screw but he uses a shorter version that's not as visible from the side (in order for the setback trigger to clear it).  Just be sure you Loctite it.

Not a great photo but you can see Tim's bronze trigger with a black *short* pressure screw.  The screw isn't noticeable. 

(edited 1/9/17 to remove broken links)
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Petey on December 29, 2012, 02:30:25 PM
I know that Trigger!
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 29, 2012, 02:32:48 PM
I know that Trigger!
Yeah, but it just looks better on my rifle--know what I mean?  Besides, you have that spiffy R9 that came with the factory bling.  :)
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 29, 2012, 02:40:37 PM
The newer models also have the star breech.  Mine has the plain breech seen in that nasty cell phone pic:

(edited 1/9/17 to remove broken links)
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 29, 2012, 02:54:28 PM
One other thing to keep in mind is that a Beeman Universal Muzzle Brake will set you back $80 if you can find a new one and used ones anywhere from $30 to $50 and they're also hard to find. 

If you plan on mounting a scope you will want a brake.  If you get an HW95 that's additional cost.  Mine came with open sights, which I used for about 10 minutes or until I figured out if I want to hit small objects past 10 yards I need a scope. 

If I had the choice today I'd get the R9 in a heartbeat.  It comes with the nice stock, gold trigger, lifetime warranty, and the muzzle brake.   PA, Pomona, and StraightShooters are all great to deal with. 

I'm not clear on the aversion to Beeman branded.  Everyone knows it's made by Weihrauch and it doesn't reduce resale value. 
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Protos on December 29, 2012, 03:37:24 PM
jdub you are an R9 guru  ;D

I was not aware of the star breech. Very nice !!
Will definitely have to find a gun with all these new features.

I was planning on mounting a scope, but did not see the need for a muzzlebrake. (prefer a straight barrel and was just going to remove front and rear sights)
The branding thing is just a personal quirk. Surprisingly it seems the beemans actually command a higher price.

Given that the two rifles are practically identical, I guess its going to come down to which one has the factory gold trigger.
If I can get it in the Luxus that would be perfect for me.

Definitely will be talking to Craig at Straight Shooters and hopefully he can get what I want.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: jdub on December 29, 2012, 03:55:46 PM

I was planning on mounting a scope, but did not see the need for a muzzlebrake. (prefer a straight barrel and was just going to remove front and rear sights)

When you pull the front sight off of a 95 you will be left with the two fairly sharp ridges in the barrel of the dovetail that holds the sight.  Right where you grip it to cock it.  Not comfortable.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Petey on December 29, 2012, 04:16:36 PM

I was planning on mounting a scope, but did not see the need for a muzzle brake. (prefer a straight barrel and was just going to remove front and rear sights)

When you pull the front sight off of a 95 you will be left with the two fairly sharp ridges in the barrel of the dovetail that holds the sight.  Right where you grip it to cock it.  Not comfortable.
+1
Grabbing those dovetails is no fun....you're gonna wind up getting a brake for it.  May as well go for the R9.
You will more than likely nickle and dime your way past the cost of an R9 if you want a Gold trigger and have to get a brake....JMO based  on experience.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus Questions
Post by: Protos on December 29, 2012, 04:46:33 PM
You may be right Petey,

Still have to find out if I can even get a HW95 Luxus with a Gold Trigger.
Only AoA has them that I know of, but got a call in to Straight Shooters and will see what they can get from Weihrauch.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Petey on December 29, 2012, 05:40:11 PM
Good Job! Do your homework.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 29, 2012, 07:42:30 PM
Thanks guy's for the pix! :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Rob Hawkins on December 29, 2012, 08:04:49 PM
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Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: jdub on December 29, 2012, 08:27:15 PM
Also remember the Beeman branded Weihrauch rifles are imported by Air Venturi and their import rights will be ending soon. After that, probably no more German Beeman airguns. So, Hans may be getting ready to change the style of his Lexus rifles. They may indeed have the fore stock checkering, no sights and a muzzle thingy (break, weight, boat anchor, etc). Many changes have been made to Weihrauch rifles through the decades. No reason to stop now. We'll just have to wait and see.
Rob
Do you have a source for your info on Beeman?  I know Pyramyd has the rights to the high end Beeman stuff, including Weihrauch, and the Beeman boxes have Air Venturi (a Pyramyd owned company) stamped on the box.  Are you saying that's about to change?

My understanding from talking to StraightShooters is that the US companies currently selling high end Beeman are getting them through Air Venturi.  AoA has some outdated Beeman info on their site and no longer handles the current crop of high end Beemans.   

I agree that Weihrauch has made a wide variety of styles and options within many of their models.  Sometimes I'm jealous of what is available in the UK--it'd be great to have factory threading for moderators, etc. 

It seems that they have managed to keep their guns very highly regarded despite the number of variations.  Good stuff!
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Protos on December 29, 2012, 09:49:34 PM
Also remember the Beeman branded Weihrauch rifles are imported by Air Venturi and their import rights will be ending soon. After that, probably no more German Beeman airguns. So, Hans may be getting ready to change the style of his Lexus rifles. They may indeed have the fore stock checkering, no sights and a muzzle thingy (break, weight, boat anchor, etc). Many changes have been made to Weihrauch rifles through the decades. No reason to stop now. We'll just have to wait and see.
Rob

That is very interesting information indeed .... would love to know when that expiration is going to take place.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 08:15:34 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: jdub on December 30, 2012, 04:33:47 PM
This is a topic on Beeman that has been discussed here before, it maybe in the archives, yes Beeman's name could be a thing of the past here soon on HW made guns :P
I searched for Beeman and Air Venturi and didn't come up with any new information.   I would be interested in hearing some details about this. 

I think some guys read the very outdated note about Beeman on AoA's site and think that means there is a change impending.   

I'll try posting a question to Tom on Pyramyd's blog to see if he has any info he can share.  Pro, since you're talking to Kevin at StraightShooters anyway maybe you can ask him.  They get their Beemans from Air Venturi (Pyramyd) so maybe he has some up to date info. 
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 05:03:58 PM
 :P
Title: Air Venturi will continue to import Weihrauch under the Beeman brand
Post by: jdub on December 30, 2012, 05:36:38 PM
I just received a very timely email from Val Gamerman, the president of Pyramyd Air, regarding a different matter but I took the opportunity to ask Mr Gamerman is there was going to be any kind of change in Air Venturi's status as the importer of Beeman branded Weihrauch air guns anytime soon.  Here is is response:

"No changes are planned for Air Venturi/Beeman arrangement. Contracts are in place and are not expiring any time soon."

So despite rumors, common sense, and creditable sources, it does not appear that there will be any changes in the near future.

I also posted a question on Pyramyd's blog for Tom Gaylord so we can see what he says too, but unless you're convinced of some conspiracy in the works then I think Mr Gamerman's statement is pretty clear.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Protos on December 30, 2012, 05:44:54 PM
Indeed that seems quite definitive.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 05:45:46 PM
 :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 05:47:05 PM
 :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
 :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: jdub on December 30, 2012, 06:19:49 PM
one more thing allot of this info was posted on the 54 forum, so you might resurch their archives this was brought up about 2yrs ago there! :P
I'm not sure what I'd be researching for.  The president of the company--the guy who would actually know--provided a very clear answer today.   That seems a little more definitive than what a bunch of guys making guesses came up with two years ago. 

Bottom line is you can believe Val Gamerman or not believe Val Gamerman.   Having talked to him by phone a few times and having been treated very well following some customer service issues, which he got involved with, I believe him.  You can, of course, choose not to believe him.   

In any large group of people you have some who are uninformed, some who think they are informed, some who have accurate information, and some that create their own information based on their opinions and theories while having no actual insight into the internal workings of a product or company.  You mix that all together and you have created an online forum :) 

So despite what I posted a few minute ago from Val Gamermon I fully expect that those who believe otherwise will continue to believe otherwise because it fits the narrative that they've already created.  Hopefully though, someone who is actually looking for current accurate information will be helped by Mr Gamerman's response or at least contact Pyramyd, Air Venturi, or Weihrauch themselves to obtain their own accurate information.  :)
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 06:31:40 PM
 :P
Title: One more knowledgable response
Post by: jdub on December 30, 2012, 06:32:07 PM
Edith Gaylord just replied on the Pyramyd blog:

"Jerry R Says:
December 30, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Hi Tom,

I’ve seen rumors on several forums online regarding an impending change of Air Venturi’s handling of the higher end Beeman air guns–specifically Weihrauchs. Posts stating that soon Air Venturi will no longer be the importer and/or Weihrauchs will no longer brand any of their air guns as Beemans.

Do you know anything about this that you would be allowed to share? I believe I know one possible source of the rumors but many of us Weihrauch (and Beeman) fans are curious.

Thanks!

Jerry

Reply
Edith Gaylord Says:
December 30, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Jerry R,

I have it from the highest authority at Air Venturi that these are just rumors and no change is anticipated. Can you provide a link where you read this?

Thanks,
Edith

Reply"


Here's the link:

https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2012/12/how-does-rifling-twist-rate-affect-velocity-andor-accuracy-part-4/#comments (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2012/12/how-does-rifling-twist-rate-affect-velocity-andor-accuracy-part-4/#comments)

Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: jdub on December 30, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
Pyramyd probably isn't gonna know much right now all they have done is taken over the importation of HW guns and are not probably not privy of the dealings between Dr Beeman and HW!
<eye roll>

Now you're just making stuff up.  I'll leave you to it.

Cheers!
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 06:41:10 PM
  :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 06:51:54 PM
  :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: jdub on December 30, 2012, 07:19:12 PM
I can't look them up on a whim doesn't disprove what I'm saying ok but their there! now if things have changed that's one thing and changes everything!  :P
C'mon.  A new guy posts a question about Beeman/Weihrauch.  Someone responds with a rumor and the famous "look it up" so I look it up and can't find a single *credible* response.   Credible being someone actually involved with any of the three companies--Beeman, Air Venturi, Weihrauch. 

But I get a direct reply from the president of the company who signs the actual contract that we're discussing, but no, you come up with all this totally undocumented stuff about why the president wouldn't know what's in the contract he signed or when it expires.  Seriously??

Go to http://www.beemans.net/the_scoop_on_the_sale_of_beeman.htm (http://www.beemans.net/the_scoop_on_the_sale_of_beeman.htm).  Dr Beeman's personal website where he very clearly states he has nothing to do with Beeman airguns any longer.  He sold the rights to the Beeman brand.   It's there.  Go read it.  I'll wait.

So we know Dr Beeman is out of the picture.  We know Air Venturi owns the rights to import Weihrauchs under the Beeman name.    Yet somehow your undocumented credible sources from two years ago know about some secret contract about to expire without the knowledge of Air Venturi or Mr Gamerman and this source is?    Oh yeah, go look on the yellow.   

See my point?   The company president versus ???   And after all of that you're still trying to convince people that Air Venturi is losing the rights to Beeman.   I give up. 
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 30, 2012, 07:39:47 PM
 :P 
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Daysailer on December 30, 2012, 10:48:02 PM
PRO.    back to your original question..

If you want open sight, match sight, iron sight option,  you can only get that on the Weirhrauch, HW95.

If you want gold/brass trigger, along with options from both Beeman (branded) and Weihrauch,
you can get after market brass triggers from Tim Enick, and Rowanengineering.  These aftermarket
triggers come in different curves and setback to customize grip/trigger pull.  very easy to install.
http://www.rowanengineering.com/products8.htm (http://www.rowanengineering.com/products8.htm)     they are down the page, love my extra setback(small hands)

I agree with you, why pay extra for a brand name (Beeman) that is not made by Beeman Co.?

Bob Beeman has not had any relationship with the "Beeman" brand for many years.  The fact
that it still engenders (sp) respect is a testament to his history as one of the pioneers who
brought quality airguns to the US, and very successfully educated and marketed his love for
this sport.

If I Remember Correctly , IIRC,  the "Beeman" brand is now acutally 2 different product lines.
Department store chicoms, and the Upper end German guns.

Pro, from your descriptions of your preferences,  it sounds like only the Weihrauch, HW95
fits all you criteria.

I have made the same journey and in the end am very glad I choose the HW and am enjoyingit with peep sights after finding the scope lessens my personal enjoyment.

Craig at SS was very helpful to me.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Rob Hawkins on December 30, 2012, 11:35:42 PM
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Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: jdub on December 31, 2012, 12:21:43 AM
jdub-
All this was done back when Beeman in Huntington Beach, CA gave up the importing rights to the Weihrauch Beeman airguns. They kept the Marksman Beeman importing rights. Air Venturi bought a limited contract to import the German Beeman rifles. I think it was a three year contract back then. Whether it will be or has been extended I have no idea. That's just the way it was back then. None of us could get new Beeman HW or R series rifles or parts after Huntington Beach closed down. It was all over the forums back then. Maybe you weren't.
Rob
I think the key quote from your statement regarding the Air Venturi contract is:

Whether it will be or has been extended I have no idea.

But earlier in this same thread you posted:

Also remember the Beeman branded Weihrauch rifles are imported by Air Venturi and their import rights will be ending soon.

You guys are posting this stuff as though you have inside information when in fact you're referring to things rumored to be happening two years ago without bothering to check to see what the current situation is.

And today we have the guy who actually *does* have first-hand knowledge of the contracts--the president of Air Venturi--stating very clearly that Air Venturi has contracts in place that are *not* about to expire and they will continue to import Weirauchs under the Beeman name. 

And despite Val Gamerman's very clear statement the old rumors are still being posted in this thread.

Here's another reply from Edith Gaylord that I wasn't going to post since I thought we'd beat this to death but seeing that it's not quite dead I'll post it:

"Edith Gaylord Says:
December 30, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Jerry R,

I read the thread. The person signing in as *** is strangely under the impression that Dr. Beeman is still somehow involved. He’s not. He sold company & the brand (20+ years ago) & allows the use of his name for the guns associated with company. So, I’m unsure why  *** thinks there may still be dealings between Dr. Beeman & HW. The dealings & contracts are between the supplier/exporter (Weihrauch) and the importer/distributor (Air Venturi). The info I provided to you is from my same source (president of Air Venturi). No one else has firsthand info.

Edith"


Checkout her last statement. 

No one else has firsthand info.

Now can we declare this horse dead?
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 31, 2012, 12:32:47 AM
 :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Protos on December 31, 2012, 08:00:22 AM

Thanks Daysailor for taking the time to post,

I really want the Luxus as that suits my personal preferences, but my final decision will be predicated on who has the newest internals, breech ect ..... I mean why pay for the old tech when you can get the new right ?

I left a message for Craig and will see what is possible to get.

My ultimate gun would be to get the Euro version of the HW95K ........... ahhhhh we can but dream !
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: London177 on December 31, 2012, 12:27:15 PM
Hello there,
This is what a UK model looks like.
regards,
Alan
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Rob Hawkins on December 31, 2012, 12:35:45 PM
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Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: ezman604 on December 31, 2012, 12:49:38 PM
Battle, if needed, can be done in pm or email. Not public forum.
DANGER Will Robinson. DO NOT continue this line of word tossing!!!!
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: bart the fart on December 31, 2012, 12:51:54 PM
Gentlemen, please simmer down. We seem to be at a full boil. Please play nice, and drop the name calling.
Bart
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Protos on December 31, 2012, 01:39:29 PM
Hello there,
This what a UK model looks like.
regards,
Alan


Alan that is stunning sir. That exactly what I wish we Americans had access to.
A beautiful example of German Craftmanship.

@Rob Hawkins
I for one was very glad to get the help that jdub offered.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: London177 on December 31, 2012, 01:55:34 PM
Hello there,
This what a UK model looks like.
regards,
Alan


Alan that is stunning sir. That exactly what I wish we Americans had access to.
A beautiful example of German Craftmanship.

@Rob Hawkins
I for one was very glad to get the help that jdub offered.

Many thanks for the compliment. It has been tuned too with a V-Mach kit. Makes it very smooth and pleasant to shoot. I am getting a steady steady 850 fps with 7.9g pellets. Less than your US spec' ones but not too bad. The only thing it needs now is someone who can shoot as good as it looks!
regards,
Alan
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: jdub on December 31, 2012, 03:10:13 PM
I apologize to those I obviously offended in this thread. My intent was to kill a two year old rumor that was still alive despite being addressed directly by the president of Pyramyd/Air Venturi.

I posted a link to this thread in the Pyramyd blog stating that there was a question regarding the status of Air Venturi as a Beeman importer.  I posted earlier in this thread that I would ask Tom Gaylord and see if he could share any info.   

At no point did I mention anyone's name on that blog.  Edith Gaylord read this thread and in an honest attempt to clear up the confusion used Mark911's username.

Mark, I'm sorry your username was brought up in a reply to my question on that blog.  And I should have edited it out when I posted her quote here.

In hindsight I should have simply posted Val's and Edith's refutation of the original rumor and left it at that.

Regards,

Jerry
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on December 31, 2012, 03:52:51 PM
 :o :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: nced on January 01, 2013, 09:23:15 AM
I actually put in an email to Weihrauch to confirm what is going on. Hopefully get a response soon.

The list in the first post is from Ed Canoles on the yellow and he is pretty well respected. So I am slightly confused as to what is available.

Personally I would prefer open sights (nice to have options)
Well......I bought my latest Beeman R9 from Straight Shooters and it came as listed in the original post. Since there are different versions of the HW95/R9 platform it kinda reminds me of the HW77/HW97. I bought my HW77k decades ago and it came with iron sights and no "muzzle break", whereas the HW97 has the "muzzle break" and no iron sights.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: 02stampede on January 01, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
Does anyone know if there ever was an R9 sold with open sights and a silver trigger? If so, I have one.

I bought it used and was trying to dig up some info on it to no avail. The guy I bought it from said he picked it up at a sporting goods store a few years back. I emailed Weihrauch the serial number and their response stated it was a hw30 from 1983.. I'm not sure if Beeman and HW serials coincide?

I'm wondering if this is just a parts gun. Either way, it shoots one hole at 20 yards and I paid very little for it.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Calmark on January 01, 2013, 09:46:51 PM
02stampede,

I too have a Huntington Beach R9, silver trigger and open sights.  I think these were made in the earlier days of Beeman being located in Huntington Beach and is probably from the late 90's or early 2000's.  I'm not the original owner, so I can't confirm this, but I'm also pretty sure I've seen pictures of R7s with the same set up from the early Huntington Beach era.  My thought is the Beeman models were later imported without open sights to the same location and is what's currently offered.

Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: 02stampede on January 01, 2013, 09:49:30 PM
Thanks Mark!

Mine is labeled Huntington Beach as well.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: Mark 611 on January 02, 2013, 12:12:34 AM
 Those were the models that were out before the Doubble Gold sreies came out, they stoped making them about 2 to 3yrs ago and have went to the no sight muzzle break gun's that you see today :P
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: HW97 on January 12, 2013, 05:26:05 PM
Hello there,
This is what a UK model looks like.
regards,
Alan
A nice 95 indeed. Have never seen one "live" - everyone goes for 98´s on higher echelon of break-barrels here. I prefer the look of the 95 though.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: London177 on January 14, 2013, 10:05:34 PM
Hello there,
This is what a UK model looks like.
regards,
Alan
A nice 95 indeed. Have never seen one "live" - everyone goes for 98´s on higher echelon of break-barrels here. I prefer the look of the 95 though.
My reason for buying the 95 is the weight.  Compared to a 98 it's so much lighter.  I can shoot  the 95 for a couple of hours and not be too tired.
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: HW97 on January 15, 2013, 05:47:37 AM
Yup. The 98 isn´t exactly a flyweight...
Title: Re: HW95 Luxus/R9 Questions - State of the Weihrauch 2013
Post by: London177 on January 20, 2013, 06:53:01 AM
Yup. The 98 isn´t exactly a flyweight...

Indeed.I love the HW98/R11 as a rifle but it's just too heavy for myself. A friend has one with a large 4-9x50 scope on it so it is even heavier. Shooting off hand I can't hit a barn door at 10 yards with it as the weight makes it hard for me to keep it on target  ???
With my lighter HW95 I am just fine.