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Title: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: howie1a on October 24, 2010, 03:37:29 PM
Does anyone know about Webley Vulcan in 22 cal made in Birmingham England it shoots like a 12 lb rifle I picked it up today and don't know much about webley's their is no date on it is the date in the ser # the trigger adj. is on top of the barrel above the trigger a set screw.The bluing is very good figgering it's a old rifle . does it have leather seals?? it is very accurate one holers with iron sights.Anyone have an idea what it's worth ?? Howie
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: arathol on October 24, 2010, 04:08:55 PM
What do you want to know? Its a Webley Vulcan, .22 caliber, its a 12 fpe rifle more or less, has a synthetic seal and an adjustable trigger. Vulcans were made from 1979 - 2000 in various forms. The same action was updated and used in the Webley Tracker and the newer Xocet/Stingray rifles. The Vulcan was also the basis for the Beeman C-1. Webley bluing has always been top notch, better than most, and really only FWB ever came close to the same quality finish.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: gene_sc on October 24, 2010, 04:27:50 PM
I have to agree with arathol on his take Howie. Excellent build quality and finish. I own a Webley Vulcan and have to say they are quite nice. Would you like to sell or trade Howie?....:)
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: lillysdad621 on October 25, 2010, 12:28:53 PM
I had a webley vulcan in .177 and i second that. very nice bluing (deep, very theobenesque) and a solid locking mechanism. Also had the synthetic seals and shot meisterkulgens at 810 fps average. the c1 uses its action but has a shorter barrel. I traded mine for a BSA mercury deluxe. As an interesting note, i shot a webley vulcan carbine in .25... nice little rifle! mine was 90% and ipicked it up for 300 bones. but i think i caught a break since i have seen them for mid 3s.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 11, 2012, 02:03:37 PM
What do you want to know? Its a Webley Vulcan, .22 caliber, its a 12 fpe rifle more or less, has a synthetic seal and an adjustable trigger. Vulcans were made from 1979 - 2000 in various forms. The same action was updated and used in the Webley Tracker and the newer Xocet/Stingray rifles. The Vulcan was also the basis for the Beeman C-1. Webley bluing has always been top notch, better than most, and really only FWB ever came close to the same quality finish.
Wow, I don't know how I missed this one! I know it's an old thread but I couldn't resist posting something. The quality is not only better than most - it's actually better than ALL except the Theobens. The English really know how to make guns! These old Webleys have fetched a high premium lately. I've seen one go on the yellow last year or so for over 500 smackeroos (without scope). Mine is on it's way back from getting the works, full tune (trigger and all) including a Theoben Gas Ram.
I would love to have a .22 cal version of the MKIII Carbine (last known Vulcan) but sadly only the .177 was imported in the U.S. as the Beeman Bearcub. Maybe someone has one they'd like to sell? ;D
I will post some Chrony results on another thread I started when I get mine back but it's going to hit about 15fpe with the ram upgrade.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 11, 2012, 03:18:20 PM
While on vacation in England/Oxford I found a practically nib .22 Vulcan online, always wanted one, it seemed like a it would be a problem bringing it back to the states or having it shipped here. Apparently the Vulcans were early versions of Stingrays and Xocets. I have a Webley Air Rifle history book at home. When I get home I'll try to scan the Vulcan pages and post them if that helps. BTW let's see some photos.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 11, 2012, 03:20:37 PM
oops, double post - please delete
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 11, 2012, 04:46:05 PM
While on vacation in England/Oxford I found a practically nib .22 Vulcan online, always wanted one, it seemed like a it would be a problem bringing it back to the states or having it shipped here. Apparently the Vulcans were early versions of Stingrays and Xocets. I have a Webley Air Rifle history book at home. When I get home I'll try to scan the Vulcan pages and post them if that helps. BTW let's see some photos.

Here's a couple of pics (I had to find some that weren't posted already). One is from last Winter of me shooting something out in the yard. These pics are older, before the ram, tune and new eyewear. I will post a link to the other thread I started already on this rifle. I plan on doing an update with new pics and Chrony results accuracy tests, etc.. A full range report ;)

BTW, I was looking through my paperwork (I'm the original owner) and I still have the receipt - the inspection report says it's a "select" condition stock, hence the nicer looking wood on her. Also of note, it has the "Scope Angle" box checked, this is probably why this rifle does not have barrel droop.

Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 11, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
Sweet, carbine too! I've always had weakness for carbines! Looks to be in near perfect condition for it's age.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 11, 2012, 05:00:52 PM
Sweet, carbine too! I've always had weakness for carbines! Looks to be in near perfect condition for it's age.
Sorry, it's not near perfect...
It's absolutely perfect! ;D

Like I've said on another thread somewhere, this carbine is exactly the size of a modern R7. Only difference is the Webley is of higher quality (sorry, German gun fans :() and it's twice the firepower (putting it past the R9 too!).
This really is a NASTY little gun.

Just for kicks I'll post pics of the R7 next to this carbine for size comparison when I get it back.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 11, 2012, 05:06:22 PM
1000 pardons, your right its absolutely perfect! I'd like to see the comparison between the R7 as well. I'm sure your not offending any German air gun fans by saying the truth!
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 11, 2012, 05:13:57 PM
Truth be told, my friend....I absolutely LOVE German guns! I own several not by accident and will not part with any of them. I'm just telling it like it is.

1000 pardons, your right its absolutely perfect!....
;D ;D ;D
I'll try and get some really closeup shots to prove that I'm not pulling your leg. ;)
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 11, 2012, 05:16:19 PM
no worries, I believe you. let me know if you want that info scan and posted.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 11, 2012, 05:55:24 PM
no worries, I believe you. let me know if you want that info scan and posted.
Oh man, sorry!!  YES absolutely, yes! I would love to see that! 8)
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: z28rod on August 11, 2012, 09:43:04 PM
So where is Howie ?
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 12, 2012, 01:00:01 AM
No dice, scanner is acting up...
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 12, 2012, 01:13:40 AM
No dice, scanner is acting up...
Bummer! I can wait, but please post as soon as it's back up running. ;)

So where is Howie ?
Little does he know the Vulcan thread has picked up steam. ;D
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 12, 2012, 01:30:18 AM
back up, give me a few to scan and post. yes if he only knew...
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 12, 2012, 01:52:19 AM
...yes if he only knew...
The little Vulcan thread is about explode!
Especially when I update the other thread I started. ;)

Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 12, 2012, 02:02:19 AM
Here it is hopefully you guys don't have to squint too hard.

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Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 12, 2012, 02:16:42 AM
AWESOME!!!
Many thanks for this, now I know where my baby came from! ;D
This is truly one of my favorite rifles of all time (including my countless powder burners). This is my go-to rifle, it's the first one I grab every time for almost all types of shooting from pests, paper and to hunting feathers, fur and metallic silhouettes this gun is the real deal.
I've heard it called "MKIII" over the years but now I'll change the name in my signature to the actual name "Series 3". Funny how Beeman couldn't resist calling it "Bearcub". ;D Nonetheless, there's not too many of these remarkable rifles around. And when somebody gets a hold of one, they tend to hang onto them.

Now I really can't wait for my "Theobenized" Vulcan Series 3 to return from its tune up!
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 12, 2012, 02:18:29 AM
no worries, enjoy your special rifle.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 12, 2012, 02:19:47 AM
That must be an awesome book! What it is called? I bet it's only available in the UK, huh?
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 12, 2012, 02:43:09 AM
It's called "Webley Air Rifles 1925-2005" by Christopher Thrale, it's about $65 new. Very informative, its a UK hard covered book, almost 300 pages. I was so into getting a UK Webley that I purchased this book to familiarize myself with the various models. I really wanted a mint UK Webley Stingray or Xocet carbine in .22 or .25 or a Vulcan carbine in .22 I just couldn't find one in either configuration and in mint condition, I've very picky about buying used air guns, looked for a couple of months (even while on vacation in the UK). I been air gunning for a bit over 20 years and have no idea how these slipped past me over the years! I guess I was too caught up in with the German springers. I gave up finding a mint UK one and I won't touch the Turkish ones. I ended up finding the next best thing, a NIB UK BSA Supersport in .22 (export/full power) built in the early 90's. UK built BSA's are equal to the UK Webleys (IMHO) just wish I had the carbine version Supersport! I have a thing for carbines and kick my self for missing the Stingray, Xocet, Vulcan, Supersport, Theoben Fenman and Evolution carbines. I've sold off pretty much all my air guns (saving for a wedding) and for now the SS does everything I need it to do.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 12, 2012, 03:05:23 AM
There certainly is something about these English guns. Funny how this thread is listed under the Turkish Gate when these Vulcans don't have a single part assembled in Turkey. I guess the original poster (Howie) didn't really know much about the Vulcan and what mesmerizing powers it has on certain people ;D
My first airguns were British, a Tempest and then Hurricane then came the Theobens and then I started chasing the German ones.
That BSA sounds pretty sweet, being a sucker for English guns I'd love to see it. Did you post any pics of it on the AirGun Gate? You should so I can see that marvelous thing! ;)
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 12, 2012, 04:38:30 PM
English air guns are great! Such a shame Webley went south.... I know Gamo has owned BSA since '85 or '86, but I don't know exactly how far back you have to go to get a what would be considered a "UK" BSA (probably before 2000). BSA and or Gamo decided to cut corners on the springers sometime after 2000. I want to say BSA was left alone up until that point and was able to put out a quality springer. I had a Spanish made "S" serial number BSA Tactical XL in .22, purchased new in 2011. It was very compact and light. It hit extremely hard and accurate, I never chronied it but it pretty much destroyed a green Gamo pellet trap that my HW 30 .177, HW 50 .22 and first CZ 634 .22 hardly dent, no joke. It took down some serious critters and I have no reason to think it couldn't take a raccoon down. It had great bluing and machining. With that being said it had a roughly finished stock, harsh recoil, was hard to cock, had the worse trigger ever and the stock screws and barrel screw plug would come loose every 20 or so times it was fired. They don't come with open sights either so a good scope and mounts is a must because of it's recoil and scope creep. The "maxi grip" scope rail was a gimmick, just a piece of rubber under the rail that is supposed to ease recoil (looks ugly too/took away from the clean look of the rifle). I remember it had a cheap feeling safety mechanism as well. I thought these issues were only unique to my Tactical XL but no according to the reviews, they are all like that. I ended up getting rid of the Tactical XL because I'm lucky enough to have purchased a new in box UK "DS" serial number BSA Supersport in .22. It has an excellent trigger and no harsh recoil, it's a full powered export model rated at about 13-14lbs, super accurate and hits hard. It has the same safety mechanism that the Tactical XL had but for some reason it operates perfectly and is of excellent quality. I learned that if you have the opportunity to purchase a English made gun now, do so before they go the route Webely and BSA went. I'm telling you I kick myself for letting the Stingray/Xocet/Supersport/Fenman/Evolution carbines sneak pass me! Below is the NIB Supersport (made in the mid 90's) I snatched, I wanted the carbine version but I couldn't find one new so I got this one. I was thinking of having the barrel chopped a few inches but don't think it's a good idea since it didn't come that way originally. I'm in the process of searching for a new thin recoil pad for it since I found the factory one too thick.

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Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 12, 2012, 06:08:49 PM
Wow, what a beauty! Really a gorgeous rifle you got there, thanks for sharing. Don't kick yourself for letting the Stingray/Xocet/Supersport/Fenman/Evolution carbines sneak pass you. You can still get that rare opportunity to pick up a used one. You seem like me, very VERY picky about condition. My Theoben is in absolute MINT condition as well, only a few of my guns make it out to the field and most of them are in great condition. I simply care for all my guns like they are my life. ;D
I didn't know that my Vulcan carbine hit a sweet spot with you, those little powerhouse carbines do me in everytime too! ;D
I wish we lived closer to each other, serdac. I'd definitely let you shoot my English gun collection knowing how well you take care of your stuff. I would love to try out your BSA, that looks like a sweet ride. 8)
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 12, 2012, 06:14:53 PM
Thanks, and like wise it would be great to live close to you so I could try out your collection. Very picky yes! Seems that most people's idea or description of mint or LNIB is not the same as mine! I'll hold on the the BSA for now, I can only have one air gun so as long as something else doesn't come along I'll be holding on tho this one for a bit. I would describe it as somewhere between an R7 and R9.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 13, 2012, 01:36:05 AM
Wow, must be a silky smooth, sweet shooter if it's between an R7 and R9. Those two are some real German workhorses. That BSA probably has the perfect amount of horsepower needed to do most things ;)
I would definitely leave that barrel alone (seems like you've already decided that) and I would leave that rifle stock since it's in a minty fresh condition.

You're the type of person I would buy a "pre-owned" air rifle from. One simply cannot call such a rifle you posted pictures of "used", especially for connoisseurs like us. ;D
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 13, 2012, 03:53:38 PM
Yep, it's very smooth and well made. Apparently there were some Supersports made for export (for us Americans who always crave for more, lol) and this one is rated closer to 14 ft/lbs instead of the usual UK 12 ft/lbs limit. I wonder if Webley made any "export" versions, going to have to look in the book.

Guys are getting away with murder using HW30s' rated at 7-8 ft/lbs in .177. For what I've used air guns for in the past, 10 -11 ft/lb springers in .20 or .22 caliber work fine for me. I took the old recoil pad off since it was too thick and now have two of which I need to choose one and then find away to fit it and put it on. I'm not good with tools and don't want to send it away for such a minor job.

I may have to get rid of this one (believe it or not) as I'm trying to sell another air rifle with no luck. I think this one will go faster. I promised her that I will keep only one air rifle and sell all the other air guns I had to off set the cost of our wedding. It's only fair to her since she's done her part. We'll see, but if kept I won't tamper with the internals or barrel.
Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: Nikoman on August 21, 2012, 01:45:52 PM
My little Webley made it back home safe and sound yesterday.
Here's a pic to prove it.
More to follow soon on the other thread I started.

Title: Re: Webley Vulcan ????????????
Post by: serdac on August 21, 2012, 02:01:14 PM
Nice!