Is this normal:Hatsan 95

[LeE]

2 Days old, 100 shots I noticed there is some metal sheering off inside the compression chamber. This is the first Hatsan I have ever owned. Out of all the Crosman and Gamo spring air rifles I have had in the past, both coil springs and gas springs-I have never seen anything like this. The other let down is the trigger. I was hoping for something better than what you get from Crosman and Gamo but I think it is worse. The upside is the out of box accuracy is excellent, I was staking pellets at 15 meters. It shot almost everything well. It liked the JSB 10.3 grains pellets the best.

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[Smackey54]

It appears that in most of the Mod 95's, the slot where the piston engages the trigger was not completely removed....leaving a thin membrane of metal. If you have a spring compressor, you can tear it down and clean that out with a dremel or swiss files.
That is what I did with mine. Here is another thread referring to that....

Mark

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,29512.msg271499.html#msg271499

[LeE]

Thanks for the help. I thought about taking it apart and deburring it but I don't want to void the warranty. If it is a defect in the design and is happening to all Hatsan springers, I think I will exchange it for another brand. 

[z28rod]

Dont shoot the 95 anymore till you get it returned or break it down and clean out the compression chamber, read the other posts on this site about it, DONT SHOOT IT OR YOULL RUIN IT WORSE.....

[Devin]

This is common. Most, if not all of the Hatsan 95's (atleast) have unfinished pistons.

Return it for another brand, becuase in all likelyhood if you had it replaced the new one would have the same issue, as in my case.

Of corse another option, which some choose, is to ignore the issues and shoot it 'till the wheels fall off.

[Magman116]

This is now a very common quality issue with Hatsan Rifles.  I have been working with Hatsan Turkey to get this issue taken care of quickly.  We will see how things play out.

-Chris

[LeE]

This is now a very common quality issue with Hatsan Rifles.  I have been working with Hatsan Turkey to get this issue taken care of quickly.  We will see how things play out.

-Chris

I hope Hatsan is willing to address their customer's problems/concerns. This is a rifle I really wanted to like and keep. I hope Airgun Depot is understanding and will let me exchange it for another brand. 

[Devin]

This is now a very common quality issue with Hatsan Rifles.  I have been working with Hatsan Turkey to get this issue taken care of quickly.  We will see how things play out.

-Chris

I hope Hatsan is willing to address their customer's problems/concerns. This is a rifle I really wanted to like and keep. I hope Airgun Depot is understanding and will let me exchange it for another brand.

Well you can take the road I took with my father's if you can only get a direct replacement. I have my father's replacement here, with the same issue, but this time I'm aware of it before shooting and can take it apart to dress up the internals. With a bit of time getting everything cleaned up (as it should be from the factory) I bet the 95's turn out to be OK springers. They can be decently accurate, and we know they are a power house. I actually plan to tar the spring pretty heavily to get it as docile and smooth as possible because it has power to spare.

I didn't even think to return it for a completely different brand/model, this was also before I knew this was a wide-spread issue, so let me know how that goes. If anyone who could make a difference were keeping an eye out on the forums here, we should see some improvement in production...I wouldn't hold my breath though.

[Magman116]

The Mod95 is probably the best air gun available in its price range.  Granted there are some issues with the finishing of the piston, but I feel that once it is take care of the Mod95 is an exceptional performer. 

Hatsan Turkey, is very receptive to my emails and I hope to get somewhere with their quality control. i would think that people would pay and extra $20 for their rifles if their QC was better. The build of their wood stocks are excellent as well as their choice of materials.  They have an excellent trigger design and power plant.  They seem to have a good engineering team doing the design.  Where they fail is in quality control and that can brake a company no matter how well their product is designed.  They might only have to spend a minute or so on finishing each piston and would be a small cost with a huge return. Win win for everyone and Hatsan could move way up the ladder.

[Devin]

Hatsan Turkey, is very receptive to my emails and I hope to get somewhere with their quality control.

One issue, these are brought to us via Hatsan USA, who have not been returning e-mails/phone calls.

Not to mention part availability does not exist. They have more than a wet-poor piston to work on before they can move up.

[Mike 4888blues]

Sadly  the issues  have developed of the piston not being 100 % clean of it's shavers, when it was machined, thin metal still hanging on , you could keep a eye on that , if it cocks good, shoot's good ,you should be fine that will stay there indefinitely not hurting anything.
 if you decide to get  that lubed tuned,  or gas rammed I can clean it up  for you, I will be doing some ram conversions  soon, and offer cleaning and lube tuning of all internals as well. both if ram conversion is desired.

 my hatsan  95 i used to have was pretty good  not like these coming out now.  it is a quality control issue Q C

 the triggers are very good you just need  to know  what to do with them for adjustment, have they included a booklet with trigger adjustment info?

let me know Mike

[Charles Outdoors]

The Mod95 is probably the best air gun available in its price range.  Granted there are some issues with the finishing of the piston, but I feel that once it is take care of the Mod95 is an exceptional performer. 

Hatsan Turkey, is very receptive to my emails and I hope to get somewhere with their quality control. i would think that people would pay and extra $20 for their rifles if their QC was better. The build of their wood stocks are excellent as well as their choice of materials.  They have an excellent trigger design and power plant.  They seem to have a good engineering team doing the design.  Where they fail is in quality control and that can brake a company no matter how well their product is designed.  They might only have to spend a minute or so on finishing each piston and would be a small cost with a huge return. Win win for everyone and Hatsan could move way up the ladder.

This is happening on more than just the 95's. At the 260.00 - 300.00 price range of the 125 sniper the QC should already be there.

[Devin]

 the triggers are very good you just need  to know  what to do with them for adjustment, have they included a booklet with trigger adjustment info?

The trigger adjustment is not complicated provided one knows how it works, and knows what the end goal is, and I wouldnt suggest anyone touch it if they haven't covered those bases.

The bullet proof process I use, is to back the second stage off so it fires in the first stage, adjust the first stage until it breaks at your desired pull length. After that's done, screw in the 2nd stage adjustment small amounts at a time until it fires right as the 2nd stage engages. Turn the second stage in another 1/8 of a turn or so for safety.

This results in a trigger that breaks right at the 2nd stage so that the creep is minimal if at all.

This entire process of adjusting a trigger MUST be carried out with EXTREME safety, and NOBODY should attempt to mess with it unless you understand the trigger and the effects the adjustment screws have in order to prevent any misfires and damage to both you and/or your gun.

[Lambchops]

I think this may have happened to my Mod 95 .177...

[LeE]

Sadly  the issues  have developed of the piston not being 100 % clean of it's shavers, when it was machined, thin metal still hanging on , you could keep a eye on that , if it cocks good, shoot's good ,you should be fine that will stay there indefinitely not hurting anything.
 if you decide to get  that lubed tuned,  or gas rammed I can clean it up  for you, I will be doing some ram conversions  soon, and offer cleaning and lube tuning of all internals as well. both if ram conversion is desired.

 my hatsan  95 i used to have was pretty good  not like these coming out now.  it is a quality control issue Q C

 the triggers are very good you just need  to know  what to do with them for adjustment, have they included a booklet with trigger adjustment info?

let me know Mike

I would have expected this issues to come from the Crosman Chinese imports and the Gamos but I have never had these issues with them. The M95 Hatsan was not a rifle I wanted to put a lot of money into and for a gas ram, I think it makes more sense to exchange it for a brand/model that already has one it than to spend $100 for a conversion for a $150 rifle. It is a real shame though as I have only owned it for 2 days. Lets hope their PCP don't suffer from the same fate other wise I will be sticking with the Marauder and European PCPs.

[LeE]

The Mod95 is probably the best air gun available in its price range.  Granted there are some issues with the finishing of the piston, but I feel that once it is take care of the Mod95 is an exceptional performer. 

Hatsan Turkey, is very receptive to my emails and I hope to get somewhere with their quality control. i would think that people would pay and extra $20 for their rifles if their QC was better. The build of their wood stocks are excellent as well as their choice of materials.  They have an excellent trigger design and power plant.  They seem to have a good engineering team doing the design.  Where they fail is in quality control and that can brake a company no matter how well their product is designed.  They might only have to spend a minute or so on finishing each piston and would be a small cost with a huge return. Win win for everyone and Hatsan could move way up the ladder.

This is happening on more than just the 95's. At the 260.00 - 300.00 price range of the 125 sniper the QC should already be there.

$300 for a springer, I would expect there to be absolutely no issues in QC.

[Ray]

Yes thats what always irks me.You buy a brand rifle and then you have to rebuild it or send it back.For that kind of money it just should'nt be like that.

[Mike 4888blues]

Yes thats what always irks me.You buy a brand rifle and then you have to rebuild it or send it back.For that kind of money it just should'nt be like that.

 That is true, but for guys who do there own work, its not a issue, we love doing are own work tearing them down etc. and often we can get deals or take a shooter  that are a little rough and turn it into a gem

[thekid]

Terrible....Not much has changed since I got my Hatsan 125.
It is still broken, sitting in the gun safe.

[Mike 4888blues]

Terrible....Not much has changed since I got my Hatsan 125.
It is still broken, sitting in the gun safe.

 what's wrong with your rifle  what kind is it what model?
sorry to here that Mike