880, 2100, or M417?

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i dont  know 880 or 2100 bnut if you can find a daisy 917 or 922 pumper from late 70-80 buy it easy to pump accurate as h#$%^&*.they werent bb guns they had full rifled barrels if that means anything,thats what they called them,pellet only ,i know i got one and it will put 5 shots in to one ragged hole at 10 yrds.my hw 97 wont do that well i cant do it,its just a real easy gun to shoot evan if you get board putting it in the same hole

[Sqrl Klr]

I got my refurbished 880 for $30 and mounted my larger 4x32 scope on it(worth around $25) with a much better sight picture since I did not like that tiny 4x15 scope that came with it so for around $55 and good pellets(I like RWS Superdomes) you could have a very accurate squirrel/bird rifle at 15-20yd shots, and I have killed several birds with it at 30yds with the RWS pellets too btw.

[SquirrelSniper25]

I got my refurbished 880 for $30 and mounted my larger 4x32 scope on it(worth around $25) with a much better sight picture since I did not like that tiny 4x15 scope that came with it so for around $55 and good pellets(I like RWS Superdomes) you could have a very accurate squirrel/bird rifle at 15-20yd shots, and I have killed several birds with it at 30yds with the RWS pellets too btw.

Hmm. Kinda on the fence, Daisy is cheaper... Crosman has the best customer service... Both are accurate...

[Sqrl Klr]

The 880 is so cheap I've never bothered with customer service when one craps out(around once every two to three years and I've had 3 880's now) so I just buy another one when the time comes.

[Mebits]

If you don't mind spending a LITTLE more, I got a 2400kt (CO2)  in .177 from the Custom Shop and at 15 yds, it's 10 shots in the same ragged (about .22 sized) hole. With an 18" barrel, it's shooting north of 600 fps. It takes an LDC nicely and is VERY backyard friendly. If you do your part, it'll give you dime sized groups out to 30 yds. This works well if you're shooting from inside a lot too, or if you're only shooting during warm weather.

I'm VERY happy with mine.

[SquirrelSniper25]

If you don't mind spending a LITTLE more, I got a 2400kt (CO2)  in .177 from the Custom Shop and at 15 yds, it's 10 shots in the same ragged (about .22 sized) hole. With an 18" barrel, it's shooting north of 600 fps. It takes an LDC nicely and is VERY backyard friendly. If you do your part, it'll give you dime sized groups out to 30 yds. This works well if you're shooting from inside a lot too, or if you're only shooting during warm weather.

I'm VERY happy with mine.

Sounds nice, but a lot of the dove and squirrels could be in some real cold temps, and I just want a simple beater gun, so IMO that rules Co2 out.

[BerkshireHunter]

I'd vote the 2100 since I like crosman. Or you could go the 13xx route, but then, it wouldn't be that cheap anymore. Personally, I think there's a 1322 with a longer barrel in my future. 

[SquirrelSniper25]

I'd vote the 2100 since I like crosman. Or you could go the 13xx route, but then, it wouldn't be that cheap anymore. Personally, I think there's a 1322 with a longer barrel in my future. 

Thanks for the opinion. Thinkin about the 2100 just because it is easier to mod and it's a crosman. A lot of people say the 880 is real accurate though...

[Sqrl Klr]

Depends on the 880 you get. Some have a more heavy click trigger feel than others. The one I currently have is smooth once you get it going in a slow steady pull but too slow and the trigger will make a click loud enough for the critter to hear and possibly spook but thankfully that's never happened since I pull it slow but still fast enough that it fires without the click heard beforehand.

The 880 I had before this one was much harder to pull the trigger but even then with a slow steady pull I would hit the mark, although it was harder for me to make a steady pull with it where I pulled some shots a little to the side because of it at times when I wasn't concentrating fully on my trigger pull.

Here are some stats I came up with my 880's for nutter and bird kills.

1. $40 880 TOTAL: 94 DEAD
2. $45 880 TOTAL: 44 DEAD
3. $30 880 TOTAL: 27 DEAD(current rifle bought refurbished)

= $115 total cost for 165 confirmed kills(+ another 16 likely kills which would be 181 total). That averages out to 63 cents per kill. Not bad in my book.

Especially considering the stats for my airhawk.

4. $135 RUGER + $39 scope upgrade TOTAL: 51 DEAD(current rifle)

= $174 total cost for 51 confirmed kills(+ 5 likely kills which would be 56 total). That averages out to $3.10 per kill so far.

[SquirrelSniper25]

Depends on the 880 you get. Some have a more heavy click trigger feel than others. The one I currently have is smooth once you get it going in a slow steady pull but too slow and the trigger will make a click loud enough for the critter to hear and possibly spook but thankfully that's never happened since I pull it slow but still fast enough that it fires without the click heard beforehand.

The 880 I had before this one was much harder to pull the trigger but even then with a slow steady pull I would hit the mark, although it was harder for me to make a steady pull with it where I pulled some shots a little to the side because of it at times when I wasn't concentrating fully on my trigger pull.

Here are some stats I came up with my 880's for nutter and bird kills.

1. $40 880 TOTAL: 94 DEAD
2. $45 880 TOTAL: 44 DEAD
3. $30 880 TOTAL: 27 DEAD(current rifle bought refurbished)

= $115 total cost for 165 confirmed kills(+ another 16 likely kills which would be 181 total). That averages out to 63 cents per kill. Not bad in my book.

Especially considering the stats for my airhawk.

4. $135 RUGER + $39 scope upgrade TOTAL: 51 DEAD(current rifle)

= $174 total cost for 51 confirmed kills(+ 5 likely kills which would be 56 total). That averages out to $3.10 per kill so far.

Never thought of it like that before! Haha you gotta add in all the pellets that you tried in the guns, all the pellets to break em in, and the pellet(s) that killed the critter. haha That's really cool. My next purchase will be a grtIII and then the pumper. So much good about the 880, but I like the power mods for the 2100 you can do. Realistically, I'll never get around to them though. Thinkin its the 880, for looks, accuracy, easier pumping with the longer handle, and it's lighter.

[Nate the airgunner]

Both are going to be about as accurate as each other, about 1 inch groups at 25 yards if you know what your doing. Both come with a simple 4x15 scope, which seem to not even keep zero on a pumper. All in all, go with 2100, sure, it costs more, but they are about 2 ft-lbs more powerful, Crosman has better customer service, and the 2100 has a better reputation for durability.

Just don't let me catch you using BBs Trev. 

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both crosman and daisy 650 +- on chrony daisy much easier to pump both cheep enough buy both sell the one you don't like.

[SquirrelSniper25]

Both are going to be about as accurate as each other, about 1 inch groups at 25 yards if you know what your doing. Both come with a simple 4x15 scope, which seem to not even keep zero on a pumper. All in all, go with 2100, sure, it costs more, but they are about 2 ft-lbs more powerful, Crosman has better customer service, and the 2100 has a better reputation for durability.

Just don't let me catch you using BBs Trev. 

Haha I would never think of using BBs! It says on PA they are only about a 5 fps difference in the 2 though.

[SquirrelSniper25]

But the durability of an 880 isn't sounding very good...

[Sqrl Klr]

Never thought of it like that before! Haha you gotta add in all the pellets that you tried in the guns, all the pellets to break em in, and the pellet(s) that killed the critter. haha That's really cool.

Considering the pellets, I've been through around 10 tins(including 1 free tin) and fired around 2,500 shots with both rifles combined, including breakin/target/scope sighting/hunting shots, so that puts my pellet cost at around $50($5x8 tins=$40 + $10x1 tin=$10). So that is a $339 total for both rifles and pellets. For me that averages out to $1.43 per kill with both rifles included, or $1 per kill with the ruger and 43 cents per kill with the 880's considering that around 70% of the shots were with the 880's.

But the durability of an 880 isn't sounding very good...

In fairness I didn't treat the first two very well so it was mostly my fault, however they're so cheap that I didn't care. I'm taking better care of this one to see how long I can keep it.

[Nate the airgunner]

Both are going to be about as accurate as each other, about 1 inch groups at 25 yards if you know what your doing. Both come with a simple 4x15 scope, which seem to not even keep zero on a pumper. All in all, go with 2100, sure, it costs more, but they are about 2 ft-lbs more powerful, Crosman has better customer service, and the 2100 has a better reputation for durability.

Just don't let me catch you using BBs Trev. 

Haha I would never think of using BBs! It says on PA they are only about a 5 fps difference in the 2 though.

They say that, but I was on Yahoo answers for a while doing only airguns questions, I learned a lot from JKirsch and CF45 over there.

[SquirrelSniper25]

The 760 style pellet clips probably wouldn't fit a 2100 would it? I think when I get one the only thing I'll mess with is stabilizing the straw barrel with some silicone or something and mess with the trigger a bit. Put a nice big ole scope on it too!