The other day I was real happy with my new Titan...

[makenzie71]

....today....ehhhh....

I shot the gun about 75 times the other day and this is what I did in the 25~75 pellet count:




I was fairly pleased.  New rifle, it looked okay, and it looked like it was tightening up.  I'm not very stable and I don't shoot off a bench/bag/chair/etc.  I hold the gun and shoot.

In the interim I did this:

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,24760.0/topicseen.html

I had to make some physical adjustments to my barrel to make all that work, so I considered it a new barrel, but that's neither here nor there.  The barrel didn't have 100rds through it before I made the adjustments.  Still not really "broken in", in my opinion.

I took both out today to shoot a little.  25 rounds from each (24 for the RS2, actually).  I had a solid 8mph cross wind with some mild gusts...maybe 12mph at times.  Shooting at 35 yards off my knee.  No table, chair, sand bag, clamps, sticks, etc.

This is my Titan:



This is my RS2:



Now I have to say that I'm not the most stable shot, but these were shot back to back in the same weather with the same 14.3g Crosman Premier pellets.  I know that some guns like some pellets but not others and that they're not all the same, but I was holding a nicer pattern the other day.  Nothing has changed since except the poor weather.

Should one gun be that much more susceptible to the change in ambient conditions?  I was satisfied the first time around, but it was a lackluster performance.  This one makes me thing I would like to exchange the gun.

[Shoot Straight]

Don't give up. Try different pellets, a new scope, and shooting from a much more stable platform. Your gun might also not be broken in yet. When you are shooting a springer the shooting fundamentals especially the hold have to be the exact same every time. And knowing the quality of the CenterPoint scopes that come with Crosman guns may be affecting your shooting also (assuming that you are using that scope).The trigger is another big factor so pay close attention to you trigger control.

[Airik]

If you got it from W*l M*rt, you have a couple months to try to see if it'll get better. Use a gun rest and very light hold (I put my left hand on TOP of gun as I trigger with right hand) and see if that helps. Me - I'm not fantastic without a gun rest or monopod. Re-mount the scope making sure to utilize the provided scope stop, and making sure to clean the rails and scope mounts w/ denatured alcohol before installing. Make sure every screw on gun is tight. Just my 2 cents worth.

[makenzie71]

I'm shooting with a Simmons Model 1048 6.5~20 X 44 scope.  I am not the sharpest shooter, but as you can see with my RS2 example, I'm fairly consistent.  I don't like shooting off a stand or clamp or anything.  I'm sure the pattern would tighten up if I shot off a bag or clamped it down, but it's not my style of things.

Also, with break in, the pattern should tighten up, not deteriorate as it has.  It's not like suddenly at the 500th shot everything zeroes.  Either something is getting worse, or the gun is far too susceptible to windy conditions.  Our average wind speed here is 4mph.  If I can't shoot the gun in the wind, I have no reason to own it.

I'm not giving up on the model, just the gun.  I'll swap them out and just see what happens.  If it turns out to be something else I can always come back to this gun...my Wal-Mart repackages everything and keeps it forever.

[makenzie71]

Also I need the gun to work well with the Crosman Premiers...I know it's not the only ammunition to be had, but it's what I can get readily.  It's also what works well in my RS2.  I want to avoid having numerous types of ammunition around...I already have that problem with my real rifles.  I need this to be as simple as possible or it won't meet my needs.

[microsalmo]

I would exchange it. Those groups are not what they should be. The pellets your gun doesnt like will shoot 1-2" groups at 25 yards. When you find the right pellet, it will start one holing right away.  I believe your seal is shot. My groups look like that when the seal is toast. And being that things are getting worse, further supports that your seal is getting worse with each shot. Its not unusual. Something in the chamber tore it up, or maybe it was damaged during assembly. Also not unusual... my trail did like yours too until i fixed it. Got worse and worse, until i tore it down.

[Airik]

I hear what you're saying. I was just mentioning using a gun rest just to see what the rifle is completely capable of, then go back to your normal way of shooting. Put the original scope back on and see if your Simmons is the culprit. ? idk.

[makenzie71]

...actually...

I was about to take it back while the service desk was still open at Wal-Mart.  Pulled my scope off and the rear mount is a little loose.  When it's properly clamped onto the rail, the tube clamp is tight.  However, it's inconsistent.  I'm doubtful that it's the culprit, but I'm going to treat as a suspect.  I'm going to re-mount the scope and give it another go.

[Airik]

(1/2 - "dang" phone w/ 520 char max)

Right on. There's kind of an art when it comes to mounting a scope...

First) Clean rails and mounts w/ denatured alc (you can oil the guns metal after scope is completely installed).

2) I mount it all loosely, but yet to where it doesn't move, getting your eye relief part right (being level doesn't matter at this point).

3) Leave bottom mounts on where you adjusted the scope to. Remove scope and top mounts.

4) Tighten scope stop screw but not totally tight.

[Airik]

(2/2)

5) Tighten bottom scope mounts completely after you have scope stop screw lined up where it should go.

6) Tighten scope stop screw completely.

7) Now you should be good to go with final mounting of scope. I also use blue Loctite on screws (let dry 24 hrs before shooting). I also don't line my rings with fabric - just alc swipe.

P.S. I use my kitchen's wood paneling or countertop to level crosshairs, assuming my kitchen table is level, haha.

Hope this helped. It helped me on my Storm XT.

[makenzie71]

While not verbatim, that's pretty similar to how I mounted it to begin with.  I don't use loctite or any other thread glue so sometimes things rattle loose.  This may be one of those cases.

[Airik]

... that's pretty similar to how I mounted it to begin with.  I don't use loctite or any other thread glue so sometimes things rattle loose.  This may be one of those cases.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with my newly purchased 750 fps (w/ lead CPHP) Benjamin Titan GP - not worthy to hear when somebody else has a problem with a gun that I own & am happy with. Just wish now that I waited for the Titan NP for a bit more oomph

[makenzie71]

I don't know the difference between the GP and the NP.  I have the NP according to Wal-Mart, but the box does say GP.  Looking them up they both say they shoot the same velocities...which would be sub-750 I'm sure for people like me and they're 14.3 CPHP's.  Even if it didn't mess with seals and barrels I'd have a hard time paying more for pellets than .22LR rounds.

[Airik]

The "Benjamin Titan NP" .22 is a yet-to-be-released new 2012 model on Crosman's website. Claims 1200 fps vs the "Benjamin Titan GP's" .22 950 fps (all w/ alloy pellets that we can't use w/ break barrels). Comparable to another Trail model w/out all the bells and whistles of a sling mount, etc, although the Titan NP does have full size weaver rails, if I'm correct. If you haven't checked out Crosman's new stuff for '12, check it out.

[althawk]

He's referring to : http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/break-barrel/BW8M22NP

you might want to compare its "claims" to the .177 version, also "new".

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/break-barrel/BW1K77NP

[Airik]

He's referring to : http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/break-barrel/BW8M22NP

you might want to compare its "claims" to the .177 version, also "new".

http://www.crosman.com/airguns/rifles/break-barrel/BW1K77NP

You're exactly right. I wish the Crosman advertising dude would be more specific and CORRECT. btw, I apologize for getting out of line in my thread a few days ago. But anyways.

[robert w]

i think mine is real accurate and consistant . another thing that is the biggest inaccurate factor with those crosman chineese made is the trigger ,get 1 of charlies grt III triggers , mine wasnt shooting good till i put 1 in but was expected as all my crosmans had crappy triggers. best $32. you can spend on your gun

[bobster]

Sounds similar to my crosman nitro venom.  It was great at first then went crazy.  I tried everything short of tearing the gun apart and replacing seals (cleaning, re mounting scope, tightening, different pellets, different holds, and nothing worked).  I had to return it.  I hope you have better luck than me.  There are a lot of similar stories on here.  Unfortunately quality control is hit and miss IMO.  That doesn't mean they are all bad, lots of stories of good ones on here also.

[microsalmo]

Keep us posted   

[microsalmo]

The "Benjamin Titan NP" .22 is a yet-to-be-released new 2012 model on Crosman's website. Claims 1200 fps vs the "Benjamin Titan GP's" .22 950 fps (all w/ alloy pellets that we can't use w/ break barrels). Comparable to another Trail model w/out all the bells and whistles of a sling mount, etc, although the Titan NP does have full size weaver rails, if I'm correct. If you haven't checked out Crosman's new stuff for '12, check it out.

Look closer at the new one. It says "950-1200," not 1200. Then when you download the manual, it says  950 for the .22 in alloy pellets... so the 1200 is for the .177 in alloy pellets.  It appears this is the same model as the Titan thats been at walmart for a year at $148, and absent from crosmans sight.